⫷ Introduction ⫸
As some of you will know two days ago, on the 10th of June, our peaceful community of NB got ravaged by a flaming troll that once went by the name of Dragon Lord, however that name got somewhere lost in the humongous amount of alt accounts he created like Infinity, The Immortal, Blazen, Angeluss, Heavensbadass (talking about blasphemy)...and some others with less subtle names that he used to cause this mayhem on NB. Logically as the people with commen sense we, from the staff, are, we banned him from the forums.
In normal circumstances I wouldn't make a post/thread like this afterwards considering his ban was justified and that's the end of that. However he pulled all that lovely stuff off when I was sound asleep, so I really get ticked off when I wake up and see like 20 undone reports and several not so very nice threads with even less nicer contents in the trash. That's pure horror from a mod's point of view. This was already something that could ruin my lovely eggs & bacon breakfast, however I became even more annoyed because it was Dragon Lord again who caused this shizzle. He of all people had absolutely no right whatsoever to talk like that about people like Rei, Zise and some poor innocent members considering the reason as why he got his main account banned and why he was in such a pitiful state was solely due to his own attitude, his Hypocrisy, his impatience, but above all that unexplainable skill of his to not understand one simple English sentence. I spent hours to help that guy, even though he was being quite rude to me. I sacrificied my time for him (while I'm having exams, so I really need it) and explained over and over again what he should do, but every time he just kept on ignoring it and then deems it "unjustified" and "corrupt" of us to ban him even though he caused that all by himself and I wasn't the only member of the staff he treated that way. If you jump into a pit of snakes, don't put the blame on us when you can't get out and have snakes crawling into your excrement channel.
But what bugged me the most of all was that he actually believed that he absolutely didn't do anything wrong. If you would follow his version of the events he was the one who got provoked by Scarface apparantly out of the blue, he gets banned for the response he gave on the "provocation", goes to Rei, who then says he's banned for a week and when he asks why he gets banned for a week she doesn't want to explain it and he gets "threatened" for no reason. He then tries again, but is apparantly buried under the insults and then he looses his cool just for a minute and only insults here once by saying that she uses Zise as backup. Not only is this extremely biased and contains several complete lies, but the amount of information he left out is ridiculous, though that was probably unintentional...
If I would compare his version of the story with Harry Potter it would be like this: "Harry Potter is an eleven year old boy with a lightning bolt shaped scar on his forehead. For some reason around Harry occure weird, unexplainable things." "Voldemort is resurrected on a graveyard and Harry barely made it out alive using a portkey." "Harry kills Voldemort in a duel - end." He just ignored half of the story.
That's why I wrote this thread, to show a more detailed and broader version of this messy situation and that the sole reason as why he got himself banned was due to his own character and not due to power abuse, tyranny or some kind of admin is god-complex.
⫷ Prologue ⫸
First and for all you need to know that Dragon Lord and Scarface don't really like each other. According to DL it's because of some kind of love triangle from long ago in Konoha Town. Something like that has happed several times before, though IMO I find it just silly. DL claims that Scarface holds a "grudge" against him for that.
Scarface doesn't like him, but the way DL talked about it, he was implying that only Scarface was holding a grudge here, while in fact DL has as much of a supposed grudge against Scarface as Scar has against him. A mod that uses his powers for personal feelings is unacceptable, however saying that a mod infracts you just because you know he doesn't like you isn't that much better. In the end DL was exactly the same, he was what he accused Scarface of: someone who lets himself lead by his emotions, with other words DL is a hypocrite and that's something that became clear several times. DL talked about being banned once, but in fact he just came back from a ban which was also given by Scarface and of which he also claimed it was unfair. In his version he just gets banned out of the blue, however he just got out of a ban, which is from a mod point of view an important fact.
⫷ The First Ban ⫸
As I just said DL was banned even before the unjustified ban he's talking about. That was last week. He already had two infraction points (and they came from other mods too) so a third means an automatic ban. Scarface gave him an infraction for this post:
In the first place that's offensive language, so it's worth an infraction => 3 infractions = ban. He got automatically banned for 3 days. What did he do? He used an alt account to contact me to complain about his "unfair" ban. I checked the post and it was completely justified. It's against the rules to log in on an alt account while being banned. Normally in such a case the alt account is banned too and the ban on the main account is extended. I let it slide, however in his arrogance he apparantly just took that for granted, a mistake that would cause him a lot of problems later on.
I let him off the hook this time and it was only a 3 day ban so no harm done. However he already succeeded in pissing me off back then. As 5 minutes after he sent me a PM about this matter he sends yet another one and then this VM:
Because I didn't respond to him within 5 minutes it instantly meant he was being ignored. On top of that he claimed he was unfairly banned while he was not. This already shows that he deems the staff as some kind of servants with no lives of their own that have to act instantly on his command. He was acting very self-centered.
However Scar thought he knew to whom that insult was aimed at, another member of the forum, which means he not only used offensive language but also insulted another member. So I asked him whether he was talking about that member.
He answers me this:
I interpret that as a "no" and once again he drags God in here for some reason. Later on it appeared he lied to me :| he expects us to help him, however it's fine for him to lie to use. So in the end he wasn't unfairly banned at all, still he thought he was and even broke the rules just because it was Scarface who banned him. Apparantly the thought that he was banned fairly, no matter who did it, didn't cross his mind.
⫷ The Second Ban ⫸
And now we're at the important part. For a mod that first ban is quite important to get a hold of a situation and in this case it was a vital part of this entire mess as the second ban was a direct result of the first. Still he barely said anything about it? Well yeah it's understandable, I mean it would do him more harm than good, so it's best not to let people know that...
DL got banned because he responded on the infraction he received that led to his first ban (see previous paragraph). His reasons for doing that was this:
Now that's interesting. He started the 'main course' because he was the one who got insulted, but that was not true. Scarface didn't insult him at all, so with other words he himself started this.
This is the infraction that he received and that lead to his first ban:
DL deemed that as an insult. You can't call it a positive comment and you can start debating whether that comment had to be there or not, though in the end that doesn't matter, it wasn't an insult. If you say that a signature someone made is a piece of crap it isn't a positive feedback, however it's not what we define as flame or insult. It's not because it's negative it's against the rules. But because he sees it as an insult he had to react on it, even though he knows he mod doesn't like him, and he had to do it 5 minutes after he just got unbanned. You need to know that when you get banned it's not like all your active infractions are deleted. You just get unbanned from the moment your amount of infraction points are less than 3, but in most cases that still means you got 2 left. So one infraction is enough to get you instantly banned again and this time for a longer period. I wouldn't call it a bright move to respond to him while you're in the worst position you could possible be in.
He then sends an entire PM talking about "she didn't love you, but me", "She used you", "she didn't care about you" and more of that third rate soap opera love affair of thirteen in a dozen crap. For this he got one infraction and thus he got banned again. Fair is fair, that PM wasn't worth an infraction so he got banned unfairly. However if DL would have followed his own logic that ban, from his point of view, wouldn't be unfair at all. He responded on that PM because:
So it's an insult if Scarface says "she was too nice for you" however it's not an insult of he himself says 10 times things like "she didn't love you, she used you etc." He 'insulted' Scarface as much as Scarface insulted him, so if he would be consequent with himself he didn't had any right whatsoever to complain about being banned unfairly. Still he complained about it and says that Scarface insulted him, while he didn't use any foul language. He didn't use any foul language, but neither did Scarface. With other words DL acted like a complete hypcorite. This time the ban was 2 months.
So even though he actually had no right to complain, it's a fact that the PM wasn't worth an infraction. So once again he logs in on an alt account. However in his version of the story he apparantly goes to Rei from the get-go. That's again a lie. First he came to me. I spent one hour and a half to collect information about the situation for his sake, even though I had an exam a few days later, to then find out he lied to me about his first ban and he was acting impatient and disrespectful against a mod. If you want a mod to help you get unbanned it's adviced that you do not look down upon him, that do not treat him like a servant and that you are patient. Guess what? He did the exact opposite of it all. This was his PM:
2 minutes later he sends me the exact one again :| Just like in the first ban he expects that he gets served and unbanned directly just because it's him. The thought that we have other stutff to attend too apparantly didn't cross his mind -.- and on top of it all he's again on an alt while being banned. Whether the ban was fair or not you're still breaking the rules, but once again I let it slide to hear him out, but again he takes that for granted. He thinks it's normal, while in fact that's something that depends on the mod you're talking too.Infinity said:
Accusing a mod from power abuse isn't a light matter and thus not something you rush. So I asked DL's version of the story, Scar's version of the story and combined everything together so that I get a full picture about the situation and get the order of events right. And what did I find out? That apparantly DL did insult the person Scarface said he insulted and for which Scarface gave him the infraction that lead to his first ban (and then on which he reacted to get banned again just when he got back). Of course I got quite annoyed as not only is he being impatient, he lied to me. He expects me to help him, but he just lies to me? When I confonted him with that he said this:
"He's not God because it's true" du-uh -smh- He pretty much implied that it was a "no", so saying that he never said it is BS and even in that case not answering the question is the same as lying. His comment about that it's private made my almost wanna wheep. He insults a person on the forums, but it's private when I ask whether it's the girl Scarface mentioned or not.Infinity said:
But it was that last sentence that started to make my blood boil. I already wasted one hour and a half to get all the facts straight solely for his sake. I ignored not once, but twice the fact that logged in on an alt account while being banned and that he was being extremely impatient and then he says "if you're not going to help me". So everything I did for him was a given and did not count as help?
And he followed that up by a sentence that should rarely be spoken unless there's no alternative anymore: I will take it up with V and the other admin... ~_~
There are only two types of people who say that sentence so lightly: nooblets, who don't know how the forums work and people that just lack a rational mind. You can choose which category he belongs to. An admin is different than the mods and smods. Our job is to look after the forums and solve day to day problems for the simple fact that they shouldn't do it. The work admins do is most of the time not visible to the members, however they're are the ones who literally keep the forums working. Versuvio doesn't have much posts and you don't see him that online often compared to the mods and smods, neither does he talk much with members. However did you know that he actually has a clock on his PC that goes off whenever the forums crashes due to an overload of guests and members? Even in the middle of the night he gets up to bring NB back online.
Because they're so bussy with the technical stuff, most of the interaction on the forums itself is our task. You can PM/VM V all you want, the chance that he's goint respond on it is nearly nihil, let alone do something about it. For that he has other people. So saying that you're going to the admins just because you're impatient is ridiculously childish and naive. On top of that it isn't the most wisest of decisions. I let him off the hook with logging in on an alt, but apparantly he was under the impression that other staff members would do it too. The admins are very strict and seeing the situation DL placed himself I knew that it was potential suicide. Even in the case he would be unbanned it would take longer then if he just remained patient with me.
I was completely ticked off by his attitude and then he did the unthinkable...he actually managed to make it even worse. You just gotta respect such talent. This was my answer on his PM:
This is not what you could call a positive response, however it was not insulting in the least. This PM was no different then the PM he sent Scarface and Scar's original comment on DL's first ban. It does not contain any foul language. He responded with....this -_-:Caliburn said:
WTH WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFFFfFfFFApfelstrudelInfinity said:
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A guy who's on an alt account while being banned because he supposedly insulted a mod that provoked him, even though he started it, and is requesting to be unbanned because it was unfair as he didn't use any kind of foul language, not only lies to one of the few persons on NB who can unban him but tells him that he insulted him, but that he will let it slide....
He says that Scarface insulted him, he says I insulted him, however the PM he sent to Scarface is not insulting, even though none of them contained foul language? Apparantly everything that's negative towards him is by default an insult, though negative things aimed at other people are ok. We can't talk like that to him, but he can talk like that to us? Also apparantly I need to mind my own business, even though he's asking my help? Common sense isn't what it used to be anymore. That one of his apparantly has got some weird sense of humor. The arrogance that is dripping of this is even higher than Grimm's testosterone lvl and would even be enough to satisfy a Snorlax if it was food, however it's even surpassed by the amount of hypocrisy he contains.
I mean what the fudge
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Because it would be impolite to start cursing here in four different langauge's let me show you the emotions I felt when I read that PM:
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I told him that I was sick of helping him. I overlooked his rulebreaking, his impatience, his lies and then he starts looking down on me and is talking like he actually is my superior and has some kind of power over me. That comment alone was enough to make half of the staff infract him if it had been said to them. He said several times in this entire charade that someone is not God. He said that Scarface is not God, that Rei is not God, the admins are not God...the reason for that is quite simple: DL is God, so how can someone else be God too? I once again let it all slide. I was fed up with him and I said that if he wanted to get unbanned he should go to an admin, just like he himself said earlier, and that he should leave me alone. Of course I knew that would make things ten times more worse for him as he needs to do again his entire story, so it would take again some hours. Also at that time I was already discussing with Rei and Zise things about this situation.
His ban for the PM he sent was unfair, however the behavior alone he showed afterwards was enough to get himself another ban. He was towards the admins as impatient as he was against me + he was acting again all high and mighty. On top of that the was using an alt account, so he's talking to an admin while breaking the rules head on
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not the most brightest course of action. It had a certain sense of irony mixed with hilarity in it. I was just about to unban him when he sent me that PM. If he would have just kept his mouth shut it would have never ended like it did. But no he had to be Mr Baron Arrogant von Hypocrite ~_~We talked to Scarface and measures were taken, so that problem was solved. However now we were still deciding what we should do with DL. We're not just going to unban him after the way he acted. Eventually it was decided that he was going to be banned for one week. He was originally banned for 2 months and now it's only one week. No matter how you look at it, he should be satisfied. The way he acted was enough to even extend his ban for more than 2 months, however we decided to give him another chance seeing the situation. He only had to not log in for 7 days, only that. Even a child can understand that, but apparantly for some unknown reason he didn't. He kept on saying "I don't understand, I don't understand"
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⫷ Perm Ban ⫸
By now it was late in the evening and it was pretty much finished, so I went to bed. Then when I wake up it seems DL stalked the entire staff
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this were some PM's he sent me while I was asleep:5 minutes laterInfinity said:
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She just said do not log in for 7 days, so why is he sending me these PM's? Why is he logged in? And he was not only sending these to me, but also to Rei, Zise, Rag, Lawliet and highely likely to other staff members too.That same morning Lawliet sent me the PM he sent her:
The matter was solved. The only loose end was that he was still online -_- and this PM is also important as he says he knew he was banned for 2 months. But in his version of the story he says that he thought he was only banned for 2 days...That's already weird. He just came back from a 3-day ban. You're not going to be banned for 2 days when you just came back from a 3-day ban, it certainly will be longer. And considering he had been banned before you would expect he knows how to read the date your ban will be lifted. He also first tells me the story that he thought he was banned for only 2 days in a VM several hours after this PM :| But in his version of the story he starts instantly with that.Infinity said:
It's possible he indeed read it wrong, however that makes no difference, in fact it makes things worse as apparantly he pissed off the staff for a pathetic 2 day ban.
Even if it was originally a 2 day ban, his actions were enough to make it a week. If he doesn't understand that, well then he's a hopeless case. So it doesn't take way that Rei clearly said that he should not log in for a week. But instead of doing that he bombards the staff with PM's and VM's. As I said he only came with that story after he already sent multiple PM's/VM's. He apparantly sent different kinds of versions of the situation to different mods, which logically creates a chaotic mess and then he's still surprised he isn't unbanned? Whether it was 2 days or 2 months that made no difference for us and even if it did he became the victim of mess he himself created. If he had explained it normally to just one mod and had patience, which is just common sense, it might have remained with still only a week ban, however it would never have been reduced, whether he explained it about his misunderstanding or not.
If a person keeps sending you messages, you start to get upset and annoyed. No matter the situation how is it possible that he expected of the staff to stay nice to him if he stalks them? Especially when we clearly said what he had to do: not logging in for 7 days. And then he's surprisd when they start becoming rude to him :|
In his version it's like he sent one or two PM's. I alone got 14 PM's and around 15 VM's. I don't know how much messages he sent to the other mods, however I wouldn't be surprised if it would pass the 50. And every single time we had to say that he should log out and not log back in for 7 days. He just wouldn't listen and then he insults Rei because he finds her acting rude to him :| result: perm ban.
These are two of my convo's I had with him:
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In the last post he says the thing about being banned for 2 days for the first time against me, however I have a PM which says he knew about the 2 months ban a while before he wrote that message
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This convo I find particularly funny:
- He says he said a thousand times he thought he was only banned for 2 days, however to me that was only the 2nd time and he sent me dozens of VM's/PM's before he even said it the first time.
- He talks about the "request" of being banned for 7 days and whether it's still on. It was never a request.
- He says he wasted too much time and sanity on us...he pissed off an entire staff on his own at the same time and he is talking about his sanity WTH
- I need to have respect for my elders. However he doesn't know how old I am + he's talking about that he's going to college within 2 months. Saying things like that is useless as you can just lie, however if he wants to go that way I'm in my 3rd year in college, so I'm highely likely his senior, but he looked down on me and even trolled the forums and then he says you need to respect your elders
- Apparantly we won't listen to anything he says. If he just listened to us from the start this would have never happened.
- He said he wouldn't bother me anymore...afterwards he contacted me on at least 2 other accounts ~_~
- Yet again he talks about Gods...he really has a god complex, doesn't he?
This was the final message I got from him:
After all what happened he actually had the gall to ask something like that -.- the day after he started his trolling spree where he gave his full of holes version of the story.Angeluss said:
⫷ Conclusion ⫸
Scarface gave out one unjustified infraction. If DL just did what I asked him to do everything would have ended peacefully. I only expected two things from him:
1) Answer my questions truthfully
2) Be patient
He failed both. He lied to me, was impatient and disrespectful not only to me, but also to Rei and other people. A few weeks ago there was a similar situation. A member got one infraction that led to a ban. That member went on an alt and came to me to say that his ban was a misunderstanding. I checked and it was indeed a misunderstanding, so I unbanned him. He was patient and respectful.
It took only took 2 PM's for him and less than half an hour to get unbanned. His situation was nearly identical to the situation DL was. So how is it possible that with the DL it turned into this mess? There was only one major difference here and that was that the person who got banned was different. So who's fault was it that he got perm banned? Solely his own.
If he just waited and kept his mouth shut unless asked otherwise, he would have been unbanned. But no he had to be impatient and rude towards the mod. Then he starts to actually stalk the entire staff by sending them all messages with different versions of the story. As a result he creates a chaotic mess and pisses off the staff, is then surprised that they become rude and expects that he gets away with it when insulting them. On top of it all he asks somewhere along the road to become a mod instead of Scarface
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If you jump into a hole, don't blame us if you can't crawl out of it anymore. If you pull the crown jewels of a lion, don't complain to us if he rips you to shreds. If you get banned because you didn't listen, don't blame us as it's all solely your own fault. He screwed himself over as much as the Kama Sutra can possibly allow it.
⫷ Epilogue ⫸
Now you have a more detailed image about the situation. This is especially for the people who started sympathizing with him because in his version he barely did anything wrong and was unjustified banned. There might be given from time to time an unfair infraction, however we're never going to perm ban someone without a reason.
DL had a problem with a mod and goes to a smod. He's rude and arrogant and the smod refuses to help after a while. Then he goes to the admins. They clearly say what has to be done, but he ignores it. Time after time they said "do not log in", but he kept on coming while he was sending messages to all members of the staff and then calls it unfair when he's finally perm banned for insulting an admin? He was extremely pissed off, but we were more.
I really found his insults funny when I read them. It was like hearing an angry smurf that's trapped in a glass box screaming "I'm gonna kill ya, I'm gonna kill ya'll" while we look down upon him, take him out of the box, throw him into the toilet, take a dump and then flush the toilet to see him going down the pipe screaming curses in agony and then goes 'ploep'.
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