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Its gotta be said why is everyone so mad about a fusion being stronger than a weakened goku? Is it cause their girls or what? Kale and caulifa both have strength at the veryyy least on par with ss2 id argue kale in berserk is above that but in red goku still weakened man handled them separate but still took effort fusion since dbz is always going to be overpowered especially with characters they are trying to market for games toys etc we all know trunks or goten couldn’t have done shit to buu separate yet gotenks could’ve stomped the fat buu that they were expecting and still would have beat super buu if not for his confidence problems the same applies for vegito goku and vegeta had 0% chance to beat super buu with gohan absorbed bottom line this is nothing new people asked for relevant female saiyans and they got them and are now upset and even still goku whos still not 100% beat them both separately not even using blue? He forced them to fuse while still holding out power for later i dont see how this is soo irratating i know some people are saying they get power ups too fast but if they didnt they would clearly stand no chance in this tournament
 

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Kale alone was throwing around SSJ blue goku.

Their fused form should be far stronger than goku, Even at 100% with Kaioken + blue, The only way goku even stands a chance is to fused with vegeta. If anything if Goku can stand up to her while she transforms in to super saiyan, That would be the bull shit
She should easily be the strongest person on the field, maybe excluding jiren but that's a maybe.
 

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Kale alone was throwing around SSJ blue goku.

Their fused form should be far stronger than goku, Even at 100% with Kaioken + blue, The only way goku even stands a chance is to fused with vegeta. If anything if Goku can stand up to her while she transforms in to super saiyan, That would be the bull shit
She should easily be the strongest person on the field, maybe excluding jiren but that's a maybe.
If Frieza joins Goku then they win against her.
 

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I don't understand why people were so mad about there transformations being too quick either..

The point was that base form Kale and Caulifla were at least on par with Vegeta and Goku's base, the difference is and why they fight better is because they are more attuned to combat thanks to experience and martial arts, Whis even stated this partly, but in terms of raw power they have an equal base form, meaning as long as they know the secret to the technique then achieving Super Saiyan isnt a big deal, even super saiyan two for that fact.. they have the potential for it already they just needed to learn the method.

As for the fusion its to be expected that Kefla is that amazingly strong, don't forget that its a mix of two high potential warriors, one of which is a complete wild card in terms of power, the fact being that Kale's berserk form took on a SSJB goku early on in the tourney showed us that her power has incredible potential, yet next we see her being man handled by ssj2 goku and then SSJG goku, this doesnt give us a clear representation of her power in berserk form.

Now if we factor that power in with the fusion of Potara which is an incredibly potent fusion and is said to empower the outcome of the fusion by several times isn't much of a surprise if you really think about it now.. especially when you think of who the fusion contains and the fact one is of a completely uncertain level of power.
 

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You forget that Jiren went out of his way to stop Kale because she was so dangerous and Caulifa was severely damaged to the point that they had to hide and recover before fighting again.
So they were all weakened but Jiren felt moved again when Kale almost went berserk. So far to Jiren, most of Universe 6 top fighters posed a real threat.

As of now Vegeta is Universe 7's real hope and Goku is slowly gaining Super saiyan blue again but even that doesn't stand a chance. Universe 7 is just in it to survive it for now because there's only 23 minutes left
 

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I don't understand why people were so mad about there transformations being too quick either..

The point was that base form Kale and Caulifla were at least on par with Vegeta and Goku's base, the difference is and why they fight better is because they are more attuned to combat thanks to experience and martial arts, Whis even stated this partly, but in terms of raw power they have an equal base form, meaning as long as they know the secret to the technique then achieving Super Saiyan isnt a big deal, even super saiyan two for that fact.. they have the potential for it already they just needed to learn the method.

As for the fusion its to be expected that Kefla is that amazingly strong, don't forget that its a mix of two high potential warriors, one of which is a complete wild card in terms of power, the fact being that Kale's berserk form took on a SSJB goku early on in the tourney showed us that her power has incredible potential, yet next we see her being man handled by ssj2 goku and then SSJG goku, this doesnt give us a clear representation of her power in berserk form.

Now if we factor that power in with the fusion of Potara which is an incredibly potent fusion and is said to empower the outcome of the fusion by several times isn't much of a surprise if you really think about it now.. especially when you think of who the fusion contains and the fact one is of a completely uncertain level of power.
@Bold . I actually like that, they need to transform quick or they are way too weak.
 

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So you guys are not pissed even though Goku and the others had to train for those tramsformations? :|
Those who trained to achieved the same power actually a low class Saiyans and incompetent. We(Readers) were under an illusion/a lies this past years about this "train hard propaganda" shit means to achieve SS level++. Train hard not means better. The universes are too vast. :lmao:
 

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Those who trained to achieved the same power actually a low class Saiyans and incompetent. We(Readers) were under an illusion/a lies this past years about this "train hard propaganda" shit means to achieve SS level++. Train hard not means better. The universes are too vast. :lmao:
Super Saiyan was usually achieved through pain and anguish. Now:

Just focus on the tingly feeling in your back.....oh well.

DBS has turned Super Saiyan into a joke :kk:
 

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Super Saiyan was usually achieved through pain and anguish. Now:

Just focus on the tingly feeling in your back.....oh well.

DBS has turned Super Saiyan into a joke :kk:
Actually we were being taught(for 20+ years) to think like that. But the possibility is endless so let us open our mind to accept a different/new/other possibility. Then we shape our new way of thinking about Dragon Ball in overall :lol
 

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Super Saiyan was usually achieved through pain and anguish. Now:

Just focus on the tingly feeling in your back.....oh well.

DBS has turned Super Saiyan into a joke :kk:
It really wasn’t much pain and anguish more so pure of heart and rage. Kale and Caulifa are the appropriate level to reach super saiyan level if cabba was well overdue.

Think about it, it took gohan like a couple of weeks to go super saiyan 2 after he just got super saiyan.
 

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Whatever. It's still a joke that 2 fused Saiyans can best the level that Goku Achieved to DEFEAT friggin' BEERUS(anyone remember that?).

I don't care what power Kale has. It shouldn't be possible.

Hell, I am still annoyed that the female-version of Broly is stronger than SSB. I mean seriously???

If Goku could have gone SSB back when Broly was terrorizing the planet, he would've had an easier time of it in fighting him.


Now I just want to see Vegeta eliminate that big nosed fatass Toppo just because.
 

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It really wasn’t much pain and anguish more so pure of heart and rage. Kale and Caulifa are the appropriate level to reach super saiyan level if cabba was well overdue.

Think about it, it took gohan like a couple of weeks to go super saiyan 2 after he just got super saiyan.
Back Bubbles :kk:

Terrible writing.
 

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Super Saiyan was usually achieved through pain and anguish. Now:

Just focus on the tingly feeling in your back.....oh well.

DBS has turned Super Saiyan into a joke :kk:
Mind you. Z turned Super Saiyan into a joke.

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For all Super did wrong, lets not pretend its predecessor was bullshit free either.
 

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Mind you. Z turned Super Saiyan into a joke.

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For all Super did wrong, lets not pretend its predecessor was bullshit free either.
Well, it was already theorized that because Vegeta and Goku turned SSJ before their birth, they were able to access it easier. Plus, wasn't it stated that half-breeds have more potential?

On the other hand and despite this, that kinda irked me as well.

Plus, I'm also talking about how everyone can compete withSSJ Blue with either in SSJ 1st form or just at all (Android 17, I'm looking at you.)
 
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