[Theory] Dragon and BB on Baltigo theory

[loj]

As you know or don't know,and if you don't,go read chapter 823...It was reported that Baltigo also known as Revolutionary hideout is already in ruins.

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there are two pictures under the main one,one of Dragon and one of Sabo.We don't know what those images represent but I personally think that it reports that Dragon and Sabo wasn't found on the island.I see many Dragon fans being mad on this situation since they think Dragon could have been defeated or something etc...well this is my input on this situation.

As you might have seen in chapter 803,Dragon wants to assemble all the Revolutionary leaders again.

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Now there are two translations for this chapter and sadly I can't find a VIZ one online atm.One is what I posted before and this is another one

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Two different reactions from Koala.But let's say she said the things from first page I posted which is her reacting to getting all the people on ONE PLACE again.

Now there could be a possibility that they left Baltigo and went on another island or something...or we can forget about that page and get on another part which is page number two which I posted,which doesn't say anything about ONE PLACE thing.

Now we know Burgess found out about Revolutionaries hideout and said to follow his vivre card which made Baltigo in ruins 20 chapters later.

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Now this makes me think,if Dragon really did assemble all the leaders on Baltigo and there indeed was a Dragon vs BB fight and Dragon lost,then....Dragon really wasn't able to do anything about WG and that was just him thinking high...

Well...what if Dragon wasn't on the Baltigo in the first place? Where I can make connections to Kuzan.Kuzan is a part of BB's team(or just being close to them)

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We still don't know why is Kuzan part of BB's crew and it's quiet unlikely that he joined pirates after leaving his Admiral position,where I can only see Kuzan joining Revolutionaries to change the WG system.Kuzan might be an undercover agent or something in BB's crew to report all the things to Dragon if something goes wrong...which could now be Burgess discovering Baltigo.

Personally I think Kuzan reported to Dragon that Burgess discovered their hideout and Dragon left and made the leader assembly on another island.

Now it was never said who won if the battle between Dragon and BB really happened,it was just said the hideout is in ruins which isn't a surprise since BB could basically be able to do that with Gura Gura.So relax...

Now that's my theory.I'll be happy if this happened and if not hope Oda will make a pretty good explanation of the situation later in the story

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gross, you should never use MangaPanda.

I don't see why Dragon would hold the meeting of the Revolutionary leaders on any island but Baltigo unless Kuzan tipped him off. Baltigo is the main place, the headquarters, and it and its location was shrouded in secrecy. It's perfect for a large scale meeting for the Revolutionaries, so Kuzan tipping him off, or anyone tipping him off, are the only reasons I see him changing the location.

Baltigo being destroyed also doesn't imply that Dragon lost. Luffy and Doflamingo leveled Dressrosa. Of course a war between to stronger forces would level the area.

 

[loj]

Gross, you should never use MangaPanda.

I don't see why Dragon would hold the meeting of the Revolutionary leaders on any island but Baltigo unless Kuzan tipped him off. Baltigo is the main place, the headquarters, and it and its location was shrouded in secrecy. It's perfect for a large scale meeting for the Revolutionaries, so Kuzan tipping him off, or anyone tipping him off, are the only reasons I see him changing the location.

Baltigo being destroyed also doesn't imply that Dragon lost. Luffy and Doflamingo leveled Dressrosa. Of course a war between to stronger forces would level the area.

I know since there was 2 translations and there weren't *********** ones I could found.

@bold yeah I edited it in the same second you posted xd

 

[shon93]

PowerManga Translation in case u wanted another one

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[Prince Badman]

well if dragon was indeed defeated i would be pretty disappointed...because sabo mopped the floor with burgess and it was a fight of no. 2s of either side..........yes a battle and dragon's strategic retreat seems the possibility also BB has got gura gura fruit so laying waste to an island doesn't seem unlikely........also with a lot of fire i would assume it was Sabo's work with df.....

 

[loj]

well if dragon was indeed defeated i would be pretty disappointed...because sabo mopped the floor with burgess and it was a fight of no. 2s of either side..........yes a battle and dragon's strategic retreat seems the possibility also BB has got gura gura fruit so laying waste to an island doesn't seem unlikely........also with a lot of fire i would assume it was Sabo's work with df.....

I'd be disappointed anyways since we haven't seen any of the fight if it actually happened so I hope Dragon left and there was no fight.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

well if dragon was indeed defeated i would be pretty disappointed...because sabo mopped the floor with burgess and it was a fight of no. 2s of either side..........yes a battle and dragon's strategic retreat seems the possibility also BB has got gura gura fruit so laying waste to an island doesn't seem unlikely........also with a lot of fire i would assume it was Sabo's work with df.....

Burgess is not the no. 2 of the BB Pirates. He is, at best, the no. 4 of the crew.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kuzan really isn't part of the "Crew", more like their "allied" person.

They'll pop up in the Reverie, when the main shit is being discussed about, and somebody like STelly or someone else says something stupid or intense.

Personally, Revs vs WG has always interested me more than anything regarding the pirates in this manga. X_X sooo, hopefully they aren't treated like a Yonko's crew or something, but an actual coalition army of different armies and countries.

 

[Prince Badman]

Burgess is not the no. 2 of the BB Pirates. He is, at best, the no. 4 of the crew.

i remember reading he is the vice captain.....so i put him on no. 2.....maybe now since they got new members he stands at a lower rank.....

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

i remember reading he is the vice captain.....so i put him on no. 2.....maybe now since they got new members he stands at a lower rank.....

He was never called vice captain.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

i remember reading he is the vice captain.....so i put him on no. 2.....maybe now since they got new members he stands at a lower rank.....

Shiryu is second strongest, no matter how you look at it. Zoro always fights the second strongest member of the enemy team, and Shiryu has a sword. It's pretty much confirmed that they're going to fight at the end.

Burgess has the same rank as Shiryu (As well as Laffiete, and presumably the rest of the Pre-Timeskip BB Pirates), both being Fleet Captians.



Onto the original topic then:

Dragon and the revolutionaries are definately dead, and gone from the story. No other way of looking at it.
Besides, it's not like newspapers in one piece have a history of lying about the deaths of a major criminal.

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[Prince Badman]

Shiryu is second strongest, no matter how you look at it. Zoro always fights the second strongest member of the enemy team, and Shiryu has a sword. It's pretty much confirmed that they're going to fight at the end.

Burgess has the same rank as Shiryu (As well as Laffiete, and presumably the rest of the Pre-Timeskip BB Pirates), both being Fleet Captians.



Onto the original topic then:

Dragon and the revolutionaries are definately dead, and gone from the story. No other way of looking at it.
Besides, it's not like newspapers in one piece have a history of lying about the deaths of a major criminal.

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well wait for a week and we will get the full story...i don't think Dragon or the revolutionaries are dead they might have lost a few people but not dragon or sabo...............Now's not the time for them to die....Dragon and Sabo have been the prominent chars i don't think Oda will kill them off so quickly...also it has been hinted that a meeting between Dragon and luffy will happen so there is that too....