[Theory] Dragon and Akainu's Connection

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I think its obvious by now that Akainu as some sort of grudge or personal vendetta against Moneky D. Dragon.
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If anyone thinks thats just Akainu wanting to kill off a potential dangerous criminal, then look at this
Even though Ace, the son of the pirate king, was right in front of him n' ripe for the picking, Akainu STILL tried to kill Luffy first. To Akainu, killing the son The Most Dangerous Criminal today was more important than killing the stronger son of the Most Dangerous Criminal who ever lived.
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So the question becomes, "How does Akainu know Dragon so well?" Well, its not that hard to stomach when you realize that Monkey D. Dragon was a former Marine HQ Admiral.

Its a super popular and well known theory. For those who have doubts, look at this color spread.
Since I couldn't enhance the picture due to CPU issues, I'll have to tell you where Dragon is for those who don't know. Dragon is the second guy to Kizaru's left(to your right) next to a guy with a large chin and black hair(ignore that big chin shaved guy with the Marine tattoo). Kizaru is on the right side of the color spread.
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When now know(or already knew) that Dragon was a former Admiral. I think that there is something special about the subordinates of an Admiral. Look at these two scans and tell me what they have in common.
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Noticed it? Fujitora and Garp have 2 VAs under them. I believe its a common protocol for there to be 2 VAs serving under 1 Admiral until further notice. As for Garp, he's a special VA. Garp is a VA who is treated like an Admiral by the government due to his strength and him turning down Admiral promos on a regular bases. I believe Aokiji and Saul were Garp's 2 Vice Admirals. VA Tsuru was there, but judging from their dialogue, she isn't stationed with/under Garp.

Now then, I'm pretty sure you all know where I'm going with this. Yes.One of Former Admiral Dragon's 2 VAs was none other than:
Akainu Sakazuki
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Of course you guys are probably wondering, "What about Dragon's other VA?" The other one was Bartholomew Kuma. Currently known as PX-O.
Remember where you found Dragon in the color spread? The big chin guy next to him is Kuma. That large chin and hair style looks eerily similar don't you think?
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Now, we all that Dragon and Akainu's view on justice are complete opposites. Some people believe Akainu and Aokiji's view on justice are completely opposites but I think not. Hell, Aokiji's moral justice isn't even in 2nd place. Aokiji is willing to do inhuman things if there is no other way around it. People like Dragon and Jaguar D. Saul absolutely refuse to stoop to such levels of inhumanity.

Scan 1: As you can see, Saul expressed EXTREME levels of Moral Justice by arguing with his CO and defecting from the Marines.

Scan 2-3: Aokiji gives off a "absolute justice with morals" vibe when he exchanges words with to Saul. He knows the buster call is inhumane but its a direct order from government and he thinks the Oharas should die becuase they are a threat to the future.

Scan 3-4: And of course, even 22 years ago, Akainu showcases his EXTREME levels of Absolute Justice by killing off innocent civilians.



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For Dragon to go against the World Government and start a revolution, his moral justice must reach EXTREME levels. The Ohara destruction is what caused Dragon to defect from the marines along with Kuma. Dragon gave Aokiji a chance to go with him, but he refused(he thought a revolution was too extreme).

Back to Admiral Dragon and VA Sakazuki. With such polar opposite senses of justice, theres bound to be tension. Akainu is someone who kill anyone who helps pirates even when they had no choice, Akainu is someone who will kill his own subordinates when they show weakness, Akainu is a government dog who does what he's told. Dragon is someone who will let people go because he understands them, Dragon is someone who adores his subordinates and gives people numerous chances, Dragon is someone who constantly questions the government. For VA Sakazuki, it was extemely aggravating serving under someone like Dragon.

Even with Dragon as his CO. Akainu never held Dragon in high esteem. Akainu thought Dragon was an incapable leader, he thought Dragon was defying the WG by letting "criminals" go, he though Dragon was weak-willed and unable to make tough decision and most of all, Akainu probably never trusted Dragon. Akainu was pretty much disgusted with Dragon and constantly butted heads with him, and when Dragon defected, Akainu's digust hit a boiling point. Akainu was disgusted, annoyed, enraged and ashamed that a "blind" traitor like Dragon was his CO and truly knows Dragon is the biggest threat to the government(Akainu knows Dragon's power firsthand). We all know what Akainu thinks of traitors. The comment "The traitor must be punished!!" comes to mind. Akainu believes that no one is capable of leading the marines except him because Monkey D. Dragon is their biggest threat. If anyone gonna kill Dragon, Akainu will make sure it'll be him.

What do you all think of my little theory here?

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I agree to some extent.

I agree that Dragon was an Admiral (probably), but I wouldn't say that Akainu was his VA.

I say Dragon - Akainu - Kizaru, while Aokiji was VA of Dragon, after Dragon left, Aokiji become new admiral. I think Aokiji's and Dragon's motives are similar and that Dragon just like Aokiji didn't really support marines to full extent, they both opposed Akainu's ideal. Now when Aokiji left marines, I believe he joined Revolutionares, so that he can serve under his former boss.
 
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Great thread but as of the last I feel like you assumed too much. Saying that Sakazuki was VA for Admiral Dragon is a bit too far fletched. Yes I know for one do to e revolution usually they be part of that system first but that doesn't mean Dragon was Admiral in the first place. There is no manga proof that proves that Dragon was once an admiral, but being part of it may be. But that's not my biggest concern, lets say he was Admiral... why would he pick someone like Sakazuki whom you say i a polar opposite of him?
 

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I think its obvious by now that Akainu as some sort of grudge or personal vendetta against Moneky D. Dragon.

yes i said that as well , but most of the people (if not all) 100 % disagreed.
 

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I agree, but I don't think that Akainu was one of Dragon's VAs. I think that when Zephyr retired and became an instructor, Dragon and Akainu were both nominated to become the new admiral, and Dragon won; which made Akainu hate him even more.
 

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Well, if we go by your theory, it is clear Akainu is stationed with Tsuru, you can see him in the same panel as her. If you compare that hooded guy with the one from Ohara scans, you'll see it's the same person. It's highly unlikely that Dragon would just happen to be there. And another thing that is wrong with your theory is that Kuma was never a marine ( he isn't on the color spread either, that guy looks nothing like Kuma ). He was always renown as a great pirate, and their connection, I'm assuming, was through his position as Shichibunkai.

With that, I'm saying that I agree with your idea that Dragon was a Marine (I didn't notice him in the color spread, thanks for pointing him out) but I don't know if he was an Admiral. It makes sense, though, because only someone with inside knowledge would ever be considered the world's worst criminal. This makes him the worst criminal because, to the WG and the world, he is a Marine Defect, and if he's a Marine Admiral defect, then all the worst. With that being said, maybe the entry points to get Dragon's story will be through X Drake, which is also a marine defect, and Aokiji, which is now an Admiral defect. Even Z was a marine defect, although he is sort of non-cannon. We should look at them to deduce things about Dragon and the Revolutionary Army, and what distinguishes them from the rest.

It might have something to do with what Doflaming knows. There's still one outrageous reveal of a person left in this arc, will it be Dragon?
 

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White dragon - Monkey D Dragon
Blue Peasant - Aokiji
Yellow monkey - Kizaru
Red Dog - Akainu

I'm pretty sure that Dragon was an admiral since he's technically the only person who completes the creature/animal scheme that represents the seas in china (I think it's china)
 

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Great thread but as of the last I feel like you assumed too much. Saying that Sakazuki was VA for Admiral Dragon is a bit too far fletched. Yes I know for one do to e revolution usually they be part of that system first but that doesn't mean Dragon was Admiral in the first place. There is no manga proof that proves that Dragon was once an admiral, but being part of it may be. But that's not my biggest concern, lets say he was Admiral... why would he pick someone like Sakazuki whom you say i a polar opposite of him?
Admiral have the OPTION to pick a VA while VAs have the option to choose where they want to be stationed. However, it works like a request and it can be turned down. If a CO puts a VA under an Admiral, theres nothing the Admiral or VA can do. Dragon was able to choose Kuma but Akainu was thrown at him.

Yes I'm assuming but whats a theory without assuming and taking chances?

Well, if we go by your theory, it is clear Akainu is stationed with Tsuru, you can see him in the same panel as her. If you compare that hooded guy with the one from Ohara scans, you'll see it's the same person. It's highly unlikely that Dragon would just happen to be there. And another thing that is wrong with your theory is that Kuma was never a marine ( he isn't on the color spread either, that guy looks nothing like Kuma ). He was always renown as a great pirate, and their connection, I'm assuming, was through his position as Shichibunkai.

With that, I'm saying that I agree with your idea that Dragon was a Marine (I didn't notice him in the color spread, thanks for pointing him out) but I don't know if he was an Admiral. It makes sense, though, because only someone with inside knowledge would ever be considered the world's worst criminal. This makes him the worst criminal because, to the WG and the world, he is a Marine Defect, and if he's a Marine Admiral defect, then all the worst. With that being said, maybe the entry points to get Dragon's story will be through X Drake, which is also a marine defect, and Aokiji, which is now an Admiral defect. Even Z was a marine defect, although he is sort of non-cannon. We should look at them to deduce things about Dragon and the Revolutionary Army, and what distinguishes them from the rest.

It might have something to do with what Doflaming knows. There's still one outrageous reveal of a person left in this arc, will it be Dragon?
Well Kuma was POSING as pirate while being a revolutionary in secret. Dragon ordered Kuma to gain the WGs trust and the first step to that was becoming a Shichibuaki by becoming a pirate who viciously attacks other pirates.

About Akainu, marines can be placed at another station. Also, Dragon probably wasn't an Admiral yet during that scan. That scan was 27 years ago, Roger died 24 years ago and the Ohara slaughter was 22 years ago
 

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Disagree. Akainu is an advocate of Absolute Justice, any threat to justice, he takes out without mercy. Luffy and Ace were simply the two biggest threats there. IMO, it doesn't go beyond that for now, with what we have now, its just looking too far into it. He even showed more cruelty towards Ace. He was taunting Whitebeard just to piss of the crew, and attempted to kill Luffy just to torture Ace. By this thread's basis, Akainu knew and has a bigger grudge against Roger.
 

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Nice theory albeit I've seen it before. I doubt Akainu worked under Dragon though. They seem like peers to me. Other then that its a plausible theory.

But I honestly doubt that Akainu has something personal against Dragon. Obviously he would want to kill the son of the worlds most dangerous man.
 

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Nice theory albeit I've seen it before. I doubt Akainu worked under Dragon though. They seem like peers to me. Other then that its a plausible theory.

But I honestly doubt that Akainu has something personal against Dragon. Obviously he would want to kill the son of the worlds most dangerous man.
As Riker Slade said, Akainu could just be a simple advocate of absolute justice and is cruel. Him going after Luffy instead of Ace could've just been Akainu trying to torture Ace. However, like many other things, this can be interpted in more than one way and I'm simply tackling one of them
 

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just remembered that Akainu is 55 so it is very possible that he is older than Dragon, what if we reverse the roles: Akainu the Admiral and Dragon the VA and Dragon, as Akainu's pupil, defected to form the revs ... AFTER he became an Admiral himself, or maybe just before he became one

(I'm not commenting on how likely anything posted here is but I do like the theory a lot)

Newgate was 72 so let's assume Garp was about 72 pre TS, Luffy was 17, if we assume Garp and Dragon had a son at about the same age Dragon's age would be mid way between 72 and 17, which is 44 (assuming Garp and Dragon both had kids at 27)

so post TS Dragon should be about 46, which is 9 years younger than Akainu
 
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