lmao. i laugh a bit whenever i read his post. if naruto can bliz even kaguya, then who da hell is chojuro in comparison? so if naruto uses the exact same shunshin he did against kaguya, the likes of darui and chojuro would react? lol
lmao. i laugh a bit whenever i read his post. if naruto can bliz even kaguya, then who da hell is chojuro in comparison? so if naruto uses the exact same shunshin he did against kaguya, the likes of darui and chojuro would react? lol
all this means is that he is not capable of blizing her multiple times which no one claimed especially as shes powered up in your scenario which was not the case before. it still does not change the fact that he was able to bliz her at one time drawn perfectly by the author. so there is no reason why if he theoretically uses the equivalent speed against opponents vastly below kaguya like current gen kages, he wont be successful. its just logical. however dont expect him to display the same speed continuously, no one does that nor would the author draw such a scenario
No, the person doesn't have to be distracted, they just don't have to be expecting that certain action. Just like Naruto's Harem jutsu caught Kaguya off-guard as well.
Just like Ginkaku wasn't distracted when Darui "blitzed" his arm off, yet he can't do it to an on-guard Ginkaku, Naruto cannot "blitz" on-guard Kaguya.
Naruto needed diversions, trickery & distractions to even hit Kaguya.
all this means is that he is not capable of blizing her multiple times which no one claimed especially as shes powered up in your scenario which was not the case before. it still does not change the fact that he was able to bliz her at one time drawn perfectly by the author. so there is no reason why if he theoretically uses the equivalent speed against opponents vastly below kaguya like current gen kages, he wont be successful. its just logical. however dont expect him to display the same speed continuously, no one does that nor would the author draw such a scenario
The bold makes zero sense. If he can blitz on-guard Kaguya, as in she can't perceive him at all, then that would mean that he can blitz her whenever he wants, yet he consistently needed a distraction to even hit her.
His shunshin caught her off-guard, but when they are actually in combat with her on-guard, Naruto needs the distraction as shown, as in he can't replicate what he did to her while she was off-guard. It's that simple.
If the Kages are on-guard, expecting Naruto to attack, then a blitz probably isn't happening.
Lmao, why are you even entertaining this guy? He'd do anything to bring up VoTE Madara and Hashirama.
- Uses Shin as example when neither Naruto nor Sasuke weren't even close to serious at all. Sasuke's base Chidori was nearly Konoha-level when he was 19, why didn't he instantly fry Shin alive with that Chidori stream? Naruto can propell someone 10,000 kms into the stratosphere, wonder why he didn't do that. Sasuke's footspeed was praised by JJ Madara, Naruto managed to blitz a weakened Kaguya, yet a mere MS user can supposedly keep up with them, lmfao. :lol He looks at the pages and goes: "yes, this stupid reasoning is convenient for me, I should just ignore the fact Adult Naruto and Sasuke are above their teen selves in absolutely everything."
- Uses Kages as examples to bring down Naruto and Sasuke's speed, even though Kinshiki was never, ever using the same speed he used against Sasuke in the beginning of the movie, nor have any of the Kages been shown to move at even close to the speed Naruto and Sasuke showcased, nor have they displayed reactions that would allow them to avoid getting blitzed by Rikudou characters.
So let me get this straight: supposedly these absolute fodders that were never praised for their speed, are now among the fastest characters in Naruto, being able to "keep up" with Kinshiki and all, when nothing they have shown is even close to Ay IV's level of speed or reactions, let alone KCM Naruto, let alone BM Naruto and one of his best Shunshin feats, let alone BSM Naruto, let alone RSM Naruto, let alone Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke.
Yes, people, you heard it on NarutoBase first: the current Kages have Rikudou level speed and reactions. Gaara, someone who has never had to physically react, move or fight can anticipate a blitz from someone that is tiers above Ay IV in speed, someone who would still move too fast for Adult Gaara to react. Hell, let's take this a step further: Minato, a Kage (since this dumbass wanks that word and seems to think Kages are god-like beings) was on his guard, and Ay was inches away from hitting him with his top speed. Minato's reactions are still proven to be above any of the current Kage's, while the same goes for Ay's movement speed. Minato and Ay <<<<< Adult Naruto and Sasuke in speed and reactions, if you argue the opposite you are a moron. Replace Ay with either of them and Minato would've been eviscerated, therefore the current Kage who, for the last time, have absolutely never shown anything even remotely noteworthy in terms of speed or reactions, seriously not even compared to stuff like Sakura's Juubi clone speed feat or Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin, would also get absolutely blitzed, anticipating it or not.
Basically, entertaining the notion that the current 4 Kages are able to keep up with Rikudou-tiers is just a grain of sand from the desert of stupidity that is TheSages456's biased beliefs.
Lastly, remember:
- Sakura can survive a TBB
- Gaara, Choujiro, Kurotsuchi and Darui can all definitely blitz weakened Kaguya and be praised by JJ Madara
- Shin can totally keep up with Naruto and Sasuke.
I don't take the movies/Gaiden seriously TBH, too inconsistent. This is what you get by making Naruto and Sasuke too overpowered. To involve other characters, you'll have to either nerf Naruto/Sasuke, nerf the villains or give outlier feats to low tiers.
KCM Naruto in the beginning of the war arc has shunshin on par with V2 Ay. Ay admitted Naruto is now faster than him. That same Ay can blitz MS Sasuke, whose reactions are better than most kage levels like Mei, Tsunade, Gaara, etc. KCM Naruto is enough to blitz most kages.
- Uses Shin as example when neither Naruto nor Sasuke weren't even close to serious at all. Sasuke's base Chidori was nearly Konoha-level when he was 19, why didn't he instantly fry Shin alive with that Chidori stream? Naruto can propell someone 10,000 kms into the stratosphere, wonder why he didn't do that. Sasuke's footspeed was praised by JJ Madara, Naruto managed to blitz a weakened Kaguya, yet a mere MS user can supposedly keep up with them, lmfao. :lol He looks at the pages and goes: "yes, this stupid reasoning is convenient for me, I should just ignore the fact Adult Naruto and Sasuke are above their teen selves in absolutely everything."
- Uses Kages as examples to bring down Naruto and Sasuke's speed, even though Kinshiki was never, ever using the same speed he used against Sasuke in the beginning of the movie, nor have any of the Kages been shown to move at even close to the speed Naruto and Sasuke showcased, nor have they displayed reactions that would allow them to avoid getting blitzed by Rikudou characters.
So let me get this straight: supposedly these absolute fodders that were never praised for their speed, are now among the fastest characters in Naruto, being able to "keep up" with Kinshiki and all, when nothing they have shown is even close to Ay IV's level of speed or reactions, let alone KCM Naruto, let alone BM Naruto and one of his best Shunshin feats, let alone BSM Naruto, let alone RSM Naruto, let alone Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke.
Yes, people, you heard it on NarutoBase first: the current Kages have Rikudou level speed and reactions. Gaara, someone who has never had to physically react, move or fight can anticipate a blitz from someone that is tiers above Ay IV in speed, someone who would still move too fast for Adult Gaara to react. Hell, let's take this a step further: Minato, a Kage (since this dumbass wanks that word and seems to think Kages are god-like beings) was on his guard, and Ay was inches away from hitting him with his top speed. Minato's reactions are still proven to be above any of the current Kage's, while the same goes for Ay's movement speed. Minato and Ay <<<<< Adult Naruto and Sasuke in speed and reactions, if you argue the opposite you are a moron. Replace Ay with either of them and Minato would've been eviscerated, therefore the current Kage who, for the last time, have absolutely never shown anything even remotely noteworthy in terms of speed or reactions, seriously not even compared to stuff like Sakura's Juubi clone speed feat or Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin, would also get absolutely blitzed, anticipating it or not.
Basically, entertaining the notion that the current 4 Kages are able to keep up with Rikudou-tiers is just a grain of sand from the desert of stupidity that is TheSages456's biased beliefs.
Lastly, remember:
- Sakura can survive a TBB
- Gaara, Choujiro, Kurotsuchi and Darui can all definitely blitz weakened Kaguya and be praised by JJ Madara
- Shin can totally keep up with Naruto and Sasuke.
You're right about Naruto/Sasuke not using anywhere near their power against Shin. Naruto didn't even do much there. As for Sasuke, he used so much chakra (
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whereas Hebi Sasuke can react to Deidara's C2 missiles. So Sages is using a Sasuke who is far inferior to Hebi Sasuke to prove Shin reacts to a full power adult Sasuke. Striking speed is also effected by the chakra you put in your arm (
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TheSages is doing the same as what Femme is doing.
I place characters where they belong. I'm not a fanboy of any character, though the same clearly can't be said about you. You would do anything to wank Naruto & Sasuke.
- Uses Shin as example when neither Naruto nor Sasuke weren't even close to serious at all. Sasuke's base Chidori was nearly Konoha-level when he was 19, why didn't he instantly fry Shin alive with that Chidori stream? Naruto can propell someone 10,000 kms into the stratosphere, wonder why he didn't do that. Sasuke's footspeed was praised by JJ Madara, Naruto managed to blitz a weakened Kaguya, yet a mere MS user can supposedly keep up with them, lmfao. :lol He looks at the pages and goes: "yes, this stupid reasoning is convenient for me, I should just ignore the fact Adult Naruto and Sasuke are above their teen selves in absolutely everything."
Sasuke's Chidori isn't even close to Konoha level. Not wanting to kill Shin does nothing to restrict their speed. Absolutely nothing.
Sasuke's movements were already praised by blind Madara prior.
He isn't going to magically become unimpressed after becoming a jinchuriki, but that isn't even relevant here. Shin was blatantly shown to have forced Sasuke to use Amenotejikara, whether you like it or not.
You make assumption on top of assumption about their abilities, yet can't prove any of it. Absolute stupidity and anyone that indulges something so obviously biased is an idiot.
- Uses Kages as examples to bring down Naruto and Sasuke's speed, even though Kinshiki was never, ever using the same speed he used against Sasuke in the beginning of the movie, nor have any of the Kages been shown to move at even close to the speed Naruto and Sasuke showcased, nor have they displayed reactions that would allow them to avoid getting blitzed by Rikudou characters.
So Kinshiki wasn't trying to kill the Kages? Nonsense. The man absolutely wanted them dead.
When Kinshiki rushed over to save Momoshiki from being killed, all of the Kages physically dodged his attack, even Gaara.
Kinshiki absolutely wanted to save Momoshiki, but here you're gonna say "hurr durr, he was moving slow cuz no lightning". :lol
even though lightning isn't indicative of anything and doesn't have to be there.
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Whether you like it or not, Kinshiki can't blitz them and that was blatantly shown. The only reason shown for the Kages being unable to handle Kinshiki is his strength, nothing more.
Sasuke never used the same speed against Momoshiki that he used against Kinshiki by your logic and it makes zero sense.
So let me get this straight: supposedly these absolute fodders that were never praised for their speed, are now among the fastest characters in Naruto, being able to "keep up" with Kinshiki and all, when nothing they have shown is even close to Ay IV's level of speed or reactions, let alone KCM Naruto, let alone BM Naruto and one of his best Shunshin feats, let alone BSM Naruto, let alone RSM Naruto, let alone Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke.
Sasuke isn't even comparable to V2 Ei in any physical category, so lumping Naruto & Sasuke in the same speed tier when they both are using their fastest shunshin is nonsensical. What is Sasuke being equal to Naruto's max speed even being based on?
Them running alongside each other in order to coordinate their attacks? :lol
The only one reaching flash level speed is Naruto when he uses his max shunshin, not Sasuke or Kinshiki.
KCM, BM & BSM Naruto don't possess different levels of speed, so that's moot.
RSM Naruto's best feat is catching Kaguya off-guard, but even then, there isn't any reason why BSM Naruto wouldn't be capable of doing the same granted that she was off-guard in the same manner.
Yes, people, you heard it on NarutoBase first: the current Kages have Rikudou level speed and reactions. Gaara, someone who has never had to physically react, move or fight can anticipate a blitz from someone that is tiers above Ay IV in speed, someone who would still move too fast for Adult Gaara to react. Hell, let's take this a step further: Minato, a Kage (since this dumbass wanks that word and seems to think Kages are god-like beings) was on his guard, and Ay was inches away from hitting him with his top speed. Minato's reactions are still proven to be above any of the current Kage's, while the same goes for Ay's movement speed. Minato and Ay <<<<< Adult Naruto and Sasuke in speed and reactions, if you argue the opposite you are a moron. Replace Ay with either of them and Minato would've been eviscerated, therefore the current Kage who, for the last time, have absolutely never shown anything even remotely noteworthy in terms of speed or reactions, seriously not even compared to stuff like Sakura's Juubi clone speed feat or Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin, would also get absolutely blitzed, anticipating it or not.
Sasuke isn't above Ei or Minato in speed or reactions, especially Ei.
Naruto possesses better reflexes than Ei & Minato due to Six Paths sage mode and better speed than Ei when he uses his fastest shunshin.
Obito & Kaguya, whom are "Rikudous"(since this dumbass wanks that word and seems to think that they are the fastest beings in existence. He thinks that Sasuke is on this tier as well :lol) can't dodge Amaterasu's manifestation.
Sasuke was in deadlock with Base Momoshiki whom Darui kept up with. That's a fact. Both Minato & Ei would kill Darui with Hiraishin & V2 speed respectively.
The Kages were only keeping up with opponents whom are around V1 Ei in stats.
Basically, entertaining the notion that the current 4 Kages are able to keep up with Rikudou-tiers is just a grain of sand from the desert of stupidity that is TheSages456's biased beliefs.
I never stated that the Kages could keep up with Ten Tails' jinchuriki Obito & Madara or Kaguya.
Basically, entertaining the idea that Naruto & Sasuke are even in the same tier as a Ten Tails' jinchuriki and on top of that can supposedly blitz everybody, even the people that they or their equals couldn't is just a grain of sand from the desert of stupidity that is Ambivalence's biased beliefs. :lol
Lastly, remember:
- Sakura can survive a TBB
- Gaara, Choujiro, Kurotsuchi and Darui can all definitely blitz weakened Kaguya and be praised by JJ Madara
- Shin can totally keep up with Naruto and Sasuke.
-Sakura survived one in Sakura Hiden, a low level one.
-There isn't any reason why this would have to be true and Naruto caught Kaguya off-guard. He needs support to tag her in combat.
-Sasuke already needed Amenotejikara to outmaneuver Shin.
Are you done, or do you want to continue spewing stupidity in order to wank your favs?
Do you really expect me to address all this cow dung? Ignoring points and adding more trash to the heap - KCM, BM and BSM have no difference in speed now?
Wow, just wow. I think Narutopedia's forums are more your kinda place.
Do you really expect me to address all this cow dung? Ignoring points and adding more trash to the heap - KCM, BM and BSM have no difference in speed now?
Wow, just wow. I think Narutopedia's forums are more your kinda place.
Do you really expect me to address all this cow dung? Ignoring points and adding more trash to the heap - KCM, BM and BSM have no difference in speed now?
Wow, just wow. I think Narutopedia's forums are more your kinda place.
I addressed everything. Your incompetence isn't my problem.
KCM, BM & BSM Naruto have identical shunshins. There isn't anything that differentiates them, statement or featwise.
Though this is coming from the retard that thinks Kinshiki wasn't trying to kill the Kages and was intentionally moving at snail speed "cuz no lightning hurr durr", even though the manga shows him with none when he fights Sasuke, coupled with the fact that he was in a mad rush to save Momoshiki when every Kage dodged his attack.
Who would've thought?
