Double standards.. "understanding"

[Nagi]

lol. The world is against Madara and Sasuke basically. Why should they throw away their dignity, pride, or be their self to earn other people's acknowledgement or respect or accept the way the world is. The number one reason why I don't like Naruto is that he didn't even try to leave the village at a young age. He put up with the village. If the whole village was treating me like that, I would set that village on fire, rasengan that shit to the ground. THEY GONNA FEEL MY PAIN!!!

Anyway......

Madara...nobody like him. His own clan stop trusting him. other clans never trusted him. They look at him like some war dog that need to be put down. Only Hashirama understood that Madara was hurting inside and trying to do whatever it take to make him feel better. Tobirama.....He really think it okay to kill another person's brother and act like that don't have an impact on a person. But really, the whole world was against Madara, they didn't even give him a chance. Honestly most children to have lost something wouldn't be afraid of Madara. We need more information about Madara's era. If the uchiha clan truly turned their back on Madara, welp, that uchiha massacre is their own fault. They gonna listen to a senji person over Madara. smh.

Sasuke....The emo child of all. I really hate Sasuke a lot. If he didn't have any lightening style jutsu, I wouldn't acknowledge him. The hidden leaf village didn't do shit for him after the massacre. No flowers, no free food, no nothing. No other mothers give him a hug or anything. Like damn...Sasuke lost his whole clan that night. Not a single **** was given to him about it. There have to be at least one mother that feel for him. All im saying is most other families would try to make sasuke feel better and help go through those rough time. But no, like nobody really give a shit about Sasuke. When he left the village, all the other young ninjas calling him evil and shit forgetting the fact, that he lost more than everybody else put together.

Madara should've just say **** it and travel the world and seek enlightenment or something. Sasuke..after learning the truth, he should go create his own village or put together a world wide special-operations task-force to prevent future problems. He should not return to that village. A village that never give a shit about him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I have never seen it proven wrong. I'm not sure if you know exactly what it means to fully understand someone. You can tell me I'm full of shit if you want to (maybe I am). I am just relaying information that I believe to be true based on what I have learned.

To understand something is to perceive the intended meaning, what it is, why it happened, and how it happened.

If someone shoots me in the foot because they stole their Snicker, I can understand that they shot me because I took what wasn't mine and was theirs without their permission, which generated negative feelings in the form of them being upset, and the act requires punishment. I can, however, not forgive him for shooting me in the foot because it was excessive to the act committed.

I understand that someone broke into my house and stole my TV because it was expensive, and they can't afford their own and want it because it's a great TV, doesn't mean I forgave them.

Understanding can lead to forgiveness, but it doesn't have to.

Agreeing=/=Understanding=/=Forgiving

He dismissed their methods, but he never denied that the world needs to be changed.
Peace through Fear and lack of free will isn't peace at all.

Did I say he denied the world needed to be changed? No, he dismissed their ideals because he didn't like him, they didn't sound good to him. He didn't look at it as ¨Hmmm, you have a point, that is true¨, he looked at it as ¨I don't like what you'ŕe saying, stop saying it. Now.¨ Thats a horrible mentality for a leader.

 

[Nagi]

The day Naruto turn around and tell the hidden leaf village to go **** them selves and that they owe him(Naruto) an apology will be the day I'll have high respect for Naruto.

 

[Tennis Robot]

To understand something is to perceive the intended meaning, what it is, why it happened, and how it happened.

If someone shoots me in the foot because they stole their Snicker, I can understand that they shot me because I took what wasn't mine and was theirs without their permission, which generated negative feelings in the form of them being upset, and the act requires punishment. I can, however, not forgive him for shooting me in the foot because it was excessive to the act committed.

I understand that someone broke into my house and stole my TV because it was expensive, and they can't afford their own and want it because it's a great TV, doesn't mean I forgave them.

Understanding can lead to forgiveness, but it doesn't have to.

Agreeing=/=Understanding=/=Forgiving

You are still being myopic. I said fully understand. That doesn't mean that you just understand their reasoning. You understand where that reasoning came from, you know exactly why that person is they way he/she is. When you reach that level of understanding of another person, there is no way that you can bear any ill will toward them. It probably seems ridiculous, but it isn't really that far-fetched. I wouldn't have said what I said if I didn't know what I was talking about.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You are still being myopic. I said fully understand. That doesn't mean that you just understand their reasoning. You understand where that reasoning came from, you know exactly why that person is they way he/she is. When you reach that level of understanding of another person, there is no way that you can bear any ill will toward them. It probably seems ridiculous, but it isn't really that far-fetched. I wouldn't have said what I said if I didn't know what I was talking about.

None of those scenarios I listed lack full understanding. The world doesn't work that way. Like I said, hippy feel-good drivel.

I FULLY understand why Hitler did the Holocaust. Doesn't mean I'd ever shoot the shit with the man.

 

[Tennis Robot]

None of those scenarios I listed lack full understanding. The world doesn't work that way. Like I said, hippy feel-good drivel.

I FULLY understand why Hitler did the Holocaust. Doesn't mean I'd ever shoot the shit with the man.

You're lying to yourself. And/or you are letting your beliefs get in the way. That's what makes it such a difficult concept to explain. I don't know anything about hippies, and I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. I'm sorry though. It was unwise of me to think that someone as inarticulate as myself could even hope to succinctly present that idea to you, and over the Internet, no less. I'm probably wrong anyway. In fact, it was foolish of me to even think that this was the right thing to do. I'm really sorry.

 

[lucario14]

They understand each other perfectly well but they think they're right. They're not willing to meet half way and cooperate and compromise. Neither asura/indra, hashi/mads, sauce/nardo are correct by themselves but the second they stop fighting and form an alliance will be when it starts "working".

Your post seems incredibly biased too it's like you're not seeing what people say against indra and his transmigrants. People are saying they're too butthurt or emo that's why it's not working out so I don't get where you got this double standards from coz it goes both ways

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're lying to yourself. And/or you are letting your beliefs get in the way. That's what makes it such a difficult concept to explain. I don't know anything about hippies, and I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. I'm sorry though. It was unwise of me to think that someone as inarticulate as myself could even hope to succinctly present that idea to you, and over the Internet, no less. I'm probably wrong anyway. In fact, it was foolish of me to even think that this was the right thing to do. I'm really sorry.

Oi, calm down. You're starting to sound depressed.
I'm not lying to myself, I'm looking at it for what it is. Fully understanding someone can lead to forgiveness, but they are not the same nor does forgiveness always come with understanding. I understand what you're saying, I just disagree.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Oi, calm down. You're starting to sound depressed.
I'm not lying to myself, I'm looking at it for what it is. Fully understanding someone can lead to forgiveness, but they are not the same nor does forgiveness always come with understanding. I understand what you're saying, I just disagree.

I shouldn't have said anything. I shouldn't even be saying this. There is no way that I can do anyone any good by blindly presenting my thoughts. That's selfish. Unless I have an understanding of the person I'm addressing, I am speaking solely through my ego. And doing that will only breed more negativity.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Tbh kh it's an Uchiha thing.
Take away their pencil and they'll go to war.

 

[EKSITE]

Madara ideal is far greater then what Sasuke had in plan, The uchiha tablet was originally written by Hagoromo what madara though he was reading was what the sage of the 6 paths plan himself, what hashirama created was a good idea but later down the line bodies would pile up over more & more wars so as it did with IT madara though he could stop all chaos war he could of actually done it. Now we go to Sasuke plan boy o boy does his plan sound all types of f.ucked up lol

 

[lucario14]

Madara ideal is far greater then what Sasuke had in plan, The uchiha tablet was originally written by Hagoromo what madara though he was reading was what the sage of the 6 paths plan himself, what hashirama created was a good idea but later down the line bodies would pile up over more & more wars so as it did with IT madara though he could stop all chaos war he could of actually done it. Now we go to Sasuke plan boy o boy does his plan sound all types of f.ucked up lol

Far greater and far more stupid lmao. Everyone would become soulless white zetsus yea great plan XD

 

[lanakui8]

well if you look at it from outside of a storyʻs perspective like eliminating titles like hero, protagonist and villain, and view everyone all equally, yes OP is very true.

However i think a lot of the time people presuppose or believe itʻs an unstated assumption that naruto and hashirama are the heroes and therefore are the ones who have the burden to do all the right things while a blind eye is turned to the ones deemed villains or antagonists since they are suppose to do the wrong things.

 

[EKSITE]

Far greater and far more stupid lmao. Everyone would become soulless white zetsus yea great plan XD

The part of turning into zetsu wasn't his plan it was kaguya stop twisting facts sasuke plan killing the 5 kages are retarded he blames gaara & mei for the past probably like really they just became kages the boys logic is retarded.

 

[lucario14]

The part of turning into zetsu wasn't his plan it was kaguya stop twisting facts sasuke plan killing the 5 kages are retarded he blames gaara & mei for the past probably like really they just became kages the boys logic is retarded.

You're the one not reading the actual manga. Sasuke wants to kill the kages not because he blames them but simply because they're the current kage. He wants to abolish the current system and he'll start by killing the world leaders. Better than madara's dumbass plan lol he's trying to escape reality

Also whote zetsu thing would have eventuated anyway even if he didn't know it eas going to happen. Lol he was fooled by black zetsu

 

[EKSITE]

You're the one not reading the actual manga.Sasuke wants to kill the kages not because he blames them but simply because they're the current kage. He wants to abolish the current system and he'll start by killing the world leaders. Better than madara's dumbass plan lol he's trying to escape reality

Also whote zetsu thing would have eventuated anyway even if he didn't know it eas going to happen. Lol he was fooled by black zetsu

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Yes because ying-yang creation of all things wouldn't change it back how to undo IT ,

Sasuke ambition is solving nothing you kill them more step up to the plate, so he's not going to kill kakashi the guy appointed next hokage and just leave him be lol makes complete sense.

 

[lucario14]

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Yes because ying-yang creation of all things wouldn't change it back how to undo IT ,

Sasuke ambition is solving nothing you kill them more step up to the plate, so he's not going to kill kakashi the guy appointed next hokage and just leave him be lol makes complete sense.

Kakashi won't get to be hokage if he will be.

Also when he's talking about the kages he means the previous kages, you know, the kages he was talking to

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes you did, when you said that ¨Ïf Madara understood Hashirama, he would have done what he wanted." That was either you blurring the line between understanding and agreeing, or letting your personal feelings towards Hashirama bias you, because the manga indicates his way of doing things are also wrong. Naruto and Sasuke will be the solution to the problem since it's fiction in some way or another, and Hashirama commented that ¨Naruto you're different from me" and as of yet, many have mentioned Naruto as the one who will signal change in the world, no one has yet to say ¨Hashirama had the right idea" to fixing the entire world.

Naruto is not a realist. Naruto allows his emotions and personal feelings to greatly affect his judgement. Naruto is essentially ¨My way is the right way!¨, if he's a leader and another leader of a different country is doing things the way he supports, he won't compromise, he's gonna try and make them see things his way exactly. Naruto believes the world will simply walk in hand with each other and be friends because he made friends, it's just not so.

Is Sasuke trying? Now you're selectively remembering what's in the manga.

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¨I know your thoughts and feelings.¨
Not I knew your thoughts and feelings, not I know what you're thoughts and feelings were, but I know your thoughts and feelings. Sasuke isn't trying to understand Naruto, he DOES understand Naruto.

Sasuke just understood Naruto.. But the thread wasn't focused on the recent chapter, it was focused on before..

Sir the point of the thread was when fans talk about characters... especially madara and Sasuke. They think its Naruto and Hashirama's reponsibility to understand them. Nowhere did Hashirama said "hey madara i'm trying to understand you".. It was Madara who brought up the idea when they were kids..Hashirama was countering Madara's BS...

And as for the manga, yea I have a issue, where Sasuke is b*tching and moaning to Naruto 24/7 that "he doesn't understand him"... while Naruto never said "HEY DUDE LET ME UNDERSTAND YOU?? COME ON MAN".... no he was simply trying to change his friend back to the way he was.


And for what i stated:
¨Ïf Madara understood Hashirama, he would have done what he wanted."

^^^ I acknowledged Madara's character trait. If he follows someone and gets behind that person he goes on that track. It took Madara the whole 4th shinobi war to Understand Hashirama's way...... loll....


And in the manga understanding = key to peace.. don't forget the context of understanding in the manga.

They understand each other perfectly well but they think they're right. They're not willing to meet half way and cooperate and compromise. Neither asura/indra, hashi/mads, sauce/nardo are correct by themselves but the second they stop fighting and form an alliance will be when it starts "working".

Your post seems incredibly biased too it's like you're not seeing what people say against indra and his transmigrants. People are saying they're too butthurt or emo that's why it's not working out so I don't get where you got this double standards from coz it goes both ways

If i bash hitler, am i being biased or simply telling the truth?

And i don't see your point of "butthurt or emo".. when Hashirama and Naruto get called naive idiots idealists all the time..