There's a difference between;
1) A tool
2) A supporting companion
3) Borrowed power
4) Taken power
5) personal power.
Kurama falls under borrowed power no matter how much you don't want to admit it. Naruto didn't ask kurama to be placed in him but, then again, naruto need to ask the fox for help time and time again now did he? The mere fact that he needed to ask means he's borrowing the power. The only power of the kyuubi he's not borrowing is his KCM chakra, and that's only because it's no longer borrowed power, but taken power. It's still not naruto's own power. He wasn't born with it, nor did it originate from his body.
"I mean you can't expect him to be in a situation where if it came down to using kurama's power over dying ( which would be painfully prideful, stupid, and a bad development of his character) he rather choose death. No one would like that honestly. " Still doesn't mean he isn't borrowing the power. The fact that he had to pull this power from somewhere which wasn't part of him means he was borrowing the power.
"I mean step into his shoes ( and this isn't directly towards sasuke fanboys but rather naruto bashers) and imagine working your butt off to be the strongest, to be acknowledged, and respected, all for outside people to say well you really didn't work for anything because you've had this demon inside you ever since you were born, so you basically had cheat codes. "
I'm not getting your point at all. If two martial artists are training, but one is superior because he had bionic arms implanted since he was young, is he still not using cheat codes? Is that not power which isn't his?
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I meant that no one uses borrowed or everyone uses borrowed power stop using that as an excuse to say "
well, it's only because naruto got kurama that he beats this character. If not for kurama naruto would be fodder" on the contrary if that's the case the
the same goes for sasuke ex: " if sasuke didn't borrow itachi's eyes than he would be a blind fodder"
@bold 1: That's the excuse you naruto fans try to do to water down the flame. The simple fact is some people use borrowed power, some people don't. Just deal with already.
So please people stop with the double standards cause you just make yourself a sound like idiots."
@bold 2: Umm... It's exactly because of kurama, though? There is no instance in the manga where kurama wasn't assisting him by lending him chakra. You trying to exaggerate the situation with "...so naruto is fodder" doesn't make it any less true.
@bold 3: And, this is exactly where all these threads go. This simply confirms you're a naruto fanboy as this is the only defence you guys ever bring up. Attempting to state sasuke is borrowing power because of an eye. First of all, Sharingan, MS, and EMS are all his own power. They're not borrowed. Itachi's eyes were taken, but that doesn't mean the power didn't originate from sasuke.
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: It originates within the person's body when they undergo intense stress (like almost dying, or losing a loved one). This power originates from latent chakra within their own body.
- Mangekyo sharingan( i can't think of a proper scan right now): It evolves from sharingan due to the immense shock of killing one's own best from. While the sharingan originates from losing someone very dear to you, the mangekyo originates from killing that person as you've now descended into an even deeper pain.
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: "The exchange only worked between clansmen. and simply gaining another's eye didn't equate to this power". As this tells you, sasuke couldn't pluck out any and everyone's eye to get the EMS. In fact, the eye's chakra had to be similar with his own chakra so that
a new dojutsu could be formed. Yes, he took Itachi's MS, but if it wasn't the right eyes, he'd only have an MS. Whereas, because of it being the right eyes, his body was able to sprout that powerful chakra from within and transform these eyes. In short, EMS are the user's own eyes as it's their body which awaken it. They don't just get it because they pluck out an MS willy nilly. No.
In the end, This will always be naruto fanboy's biggest crutch. Trying to equate Kurama to a pair of eyes which sasuke's body had to transform. Did naruto's body have to transform the kyuubi and turn it into a new chakra within himself? No. Did sasuke's body have to transform itachi's MS? Yes.
Kurama, Hachibi and basically any bijuu in a jin
are all borrowed power. The hosts don't possess this power on their own, nor does it matter whether they chose to have it or not. Regardless of whether it was sealed in them with their consent or not, they have a choice to ask the bijuu for chakra and tap into this power. They choose to, therefore they're borrowing it.
Katsuya, Enma, Gamabunta, Manda, and all other large summonings
are all supporting characters. The help out their master with
their own power. They're not the summoner's power, they're simply help the summoner can call. You think they have to obey? No. Just look at naruto the first time he summoned bunta, bunta tried to kill him. What about manda? Manda always threatened to kill Orochimaru. Your power doesn't threaten you.
Shuriken, Swords, etc are all Ninja tools. They don't originate from the ninja's body, so they're not the ninja's own power. In the first place, the ninja didn't even make them, they just use them. They're simply weapons used to aid in combat and extend a shinobi's versatility in combat.
KCM chakra, EMS ( the part where you simply take the other person's eyes), Rinnegan( the part where you take senju dna), Senju cells and so on, are all taken power. They're not originally from the user, but they were either stolen or forcefully taken away from their original bodies and mended with their new host. It doesn't mean it's the person's own power now.
And, Finally, Personal power is whatever originates from within either due to hard work or Genetics. Byakugo, Sharingan, MS, EMS, Rinnegan, 8 gates, one's own chakra, etc, are all personal power as they are power which originate from within oneself.
Learn the differences folks. Just because you like a character doesn't mean you need to try to bend the rules for them so they'll be the greatest :| If you actually did like a character you'd simply accept what makes them them and not try to change it to make them seem better :|
