Double Rinnegan Sage mode Madara vs Double Mangekyou Sharingan Kakashi

[Kyle storm]

Perhaps I should enlighten you?

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In this image we can undeniably see that Obito was damaged by the attack. The Truth-Seeking Spheres were needed in order to negate the effects of the attack and allow Obito to properly heal, which is what the steam is from.

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Here we see a Truth-Seeking Sphere out of it's order attempting to negate the effects to no use. Obito proceeds to heal which uses the same steaming effect as it did before.



Black Chidori is a Sage Arts technique. He has had Six Paths Sage chakra. Regardless, Madara still had Six Paths chakra after awakening the Rinnegan. Perhaps you don't understand how doujutsu work, but Madara and other Uchiha are able to switch between eyes because they determine which special chakra to use. Just like Naruto uses the Tailed Beasts' chakra to use their bloodline limits, Madara uses Hagoromo's to utilize the Rinnegan.

Sigh ...........

Naruto and Sasuke hits Obito's flesh with FRS/Enton .
Obito is not harmed , nor he is surprized
Tobirama says : " no effect at all "

Naruto hits Obito's flesh with a sage mode rasengan .
Obito is hurt
Tobirama : " Senjutsu works ! "
Obito : " ughhhhhhh ! " he's hurt and he bleeds

Notice how they didn't say : " oh ! ninjutsu works on his body " but instead , they said " no effects at all "
Do i need to spell it again ? maybe i need to :

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No effects at all

Is Obito shocked like when Naruto hit him with that rasengan ? no
Is he using a Gudodama to heal ? no
Did he said something like this ?

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No
End of discussion i suppose .

Lol i knew it , i knew that you would say sasuke's black chidori is senjutsu , i was waiting for you to say that lol
No , nothing even suggest that it's a form of Senjutsu , Madara's Inton Raiha is not black , but it's senjutsu
The third Raikage's Black Lightning is not senjutsu , but it's ................... Black regardless
So no , not a proof
And how about the Chidori sharp spear that he used to cut Madara in half , was it black as well ? nop
Sasuke isn't a senjutsu user
He isn't listed as a senjutsu user
Naruto is the one who possesses six paths senjutsu , not sasuke , sasuke has the rinnegan and six paths chakra , that's it .
Going out right now , i'll be back later .

 

[Holy God]

Sigh ...........

Naruto and Sasuke hits Obito's flesh with FRS/Enton .
Obito is not harmed , nor he is surprized
Tobirama says : " no effect at all "

Naruto hits Obito's flesh with a sage mode rasengan .
Obito is hurt
Tobirama : " Senjutsu works ! "
Obito : " ughhhhhhh ! " he's hurt and he bleeds

Notice how they didn't say : " oh ! ninjutsu works on his body " but instead , they said " no effects at all "
Do i need to spell it again ? maybe i need to :

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No effects at all

Is Obito shocked like when Naruto hit him with that rasengan ? no
Is he using a Gudodama to heal ? no
Did he said something like this ?

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No
End of discussion i suppose .

Lol i knew it , i knew that you would say sasuke's black chidori is senjutsu , i was waiting for you to say that lol
No , nothing even suggest that it's a form of Senjutsu , Madara's Inton Raiha is not black , but it's senjutsu
The third Raikage's Black Lightning is not senjutsu , but it's ................... Black regardless
So no , not a proof
And how about the Chidori sharp spear that he used to cut Madara in half , was it black as well ? nop
Sasuke isn't a senjutsu user
He isn't listed as a senjutsu user
Naruto is the one who possesses six paths senjutsu , not sasuke , sasuke has the rinnegan and six paths chakra , that's it .
Going out right now , i'll be back later .

Your argument is completely invalid. Tobirama wouldn't be able to see the immediate effects of the attack because Obito was covered by Amaterasu and the Truth-Seeking Spheres negated any after-effects. Even when hit by Sage chakra Obito's wound was completely healed the next page.

Besides, if you even believed in what the manga showed then you'd believe only "senjutsu" works, which Six Paths chakra is not, so your quite contradicting.

Black Chidori is used when Sasuke mixes Chidori with Sage chakra. Denying that is just ignorance. His technique isn't going to change colors for no reason. The Databook wouldn't list him as a Six Paths Sage Mode user because he isn't one. He was using his borrowed chakra.

 

[BLAZE]

Madara gets violated very badly

Your post is as moronic as your 4th grade grammar.

lmao says the 3rd grade troll who thinks Force is KE

 

[Kyle storm]

Your argument is completely invalid. Tobirama wouldn't be able to see the immediate effects of the attack because Obito was covered by Amaterasu and the Truth-Seeking Spheres negated any after-effects. Even when hit by Sage chakra Obito's wound was completely healed the next page.

Besides, if you even believed in what the manga showed then you'd believe only "senjutsu" works, which Six Paths chakra is not, so your quite contradicting.

Black Chidori is used when Sasuke mixes Chidori with Sage chakra. Denying that is just ignorance. His technique isn't going to change colors for no reason. The Databook wouldn't list him as a Six Paths Sage Mode user because he isn't one. He was using his borrowed chakra.

Yeah ........... No
And this is pretty ironic , you're telling me that my argument is invalid , when your argument hold no water at all , and goes against what the manga showed .
We never saw Obito heal from the Enton/FRS combo
We never saw Obito feels pain , or surprized , or shocked , literally nothing , no singn at all that he was damaged , or even felt anything

On the other hand , Naruto's Rasengan made a hole in his back and made him feel pain , and he was also shocked that Naruto's Rasengan effected him , and then we saw him healing from the injury , and stating that he didn't know that he could be damaged by senjutsu attacks , the same with Tobirama , he saw Naruto's Rasengan hit Obito's back , and was happy that senjutsu can effect him

End Of Story .

No , six paths chakra is the chakra Hagoromo inherted from his mother , saying Hagoromo's chakra doesn't effect a Juubi Jinchuriki isn't the smartest thing to say , especialy when we saw that Sasuke using the same chakra was able to damage Madara as the Juubi Jinchuriki .
Sasuke stated that he's gonna use the six paths power to his chidori before he hit Madara , he said nothing about senjutsu , he doesn't have senjutsu , and it was never stated anywhere that he possesses senjutsu chakra , he has the Rinnegan eye and half of Hagoromo's chakra which enable him to damage the Juubi Jinchuriki .
His chidori being black means nothing when the Chidori spear that he used to cut Madara in half was not black , but it effected Madara regardless .

 

[Holy God]

Yeah ........... No
And this is pretty ironic , you're telling me that my argument is invalid , when your argument hold no water at all , and goes against what the manga showed .
We never saw Obito heal from the Enton/FRS combo
We never saw Obito feels pain , or surprized , or shocked , literally nothing , no singn at all that he was damaged , or even felt anything

On the other hand , Naruto's Rasengan made a hole in his back and made him feel pain , and he was also shocked that Naruto's Rasengan effected him , and then we saw him healing from the injury , and stating that he didn't know that he could be damaged by senjutsu attacks , the same with Tobirama , he saw Naruto's Rasengan hit Obito's back , and was happy that senjutsu can effect him

You say we never saw Obito heal from the attack, but it's rather obvious that he did. What do you think that steam was from? The same steam that occurred during the healing from the Sage Mode attack. You can't make an excuse for that.

No , six paths chakra is the chakra Hagoromo inherted from his mother , saying Hagoromo's chakra doesn't effect a Juubi Jinchuriki isn't the smartest thing to say , especialy when we saw that Sasuke using the same chakra was able to damage Madara as the Juubi Jinchuriki .
Sasuke stated that he's gonna use the six paths power to his chidori before he hit Madara , he said nothing about senjutsu , he doesn't have senjutsu , and it was never stated anywhere that he possesses senjutsu chakra , he has the Rinnegan eye and half of Hagoromo's chakra which enable him to damage the Juubi Jinchuriki .

It's still stated that only sage chakra works against them. Six Paths chakra isn't sage chakra thus it wouldn't work. If you're open to denying that and believing that Six Paths chakra works, then you must be open to considering that any chakra works against them, just not Truth-Seeking Spheres.

His chidori being black means nothing when the Chidori spear that he used to cut Madara in half was not black , but it effected Madara regardless .

That proves my point entirely. Sasuke died by Madara's hand, meaning he ran out of chakra. Unless you think he was using Kabuto's, all of Sasuke's attacks consisted of Hagoromo's chakra. Since only one of his was black, that means he specifically chose to use sage chakra during that one.

 

[Kyle storm]

You say we never saw Obito heal from the attack, but it's rather obvious that he did. What do you think that steam was from? The same steam that occurred during the healing from the Sage Mode attack. You can't make an excuse for that.


It's still stated that only sage chakra works against them. Six Paths chakra isn't sage chakra thus it wouldn't work. If you're open to denying that and believing that Six Paths chakra works, then you must be open to considering that any chakra works against them, just not Truth-Seeking Spheres.


That proves my point entirely. Sasuke died by Madara's hand, meaning he ran out of chakra. Unless you think he was using Kabuto's, all of Sasuke's attacks consisted of Hagoromo's chakra. Since only one of his was black, that means he specifically chose to use sage chakra during that one.

Nop , you can continue to deny it all you want , but Obito was not hurt , was not shocked , was not healing , we never saw a sphere healing his body , the steam is the result of the explosion of the FRS/Enton , but he wasn't hurt as we saw , only Naruto's rasengan hurt him , which is what was stated in the manga , by Tobirama , Sasuke , Naruto , and Obito himself
It's pretty abvious , right now you are just making struggle arguments , you're just arguing to argue .

Neither Tobirama , nor Naruto , nor Sasuke , nor Minato knew about the six paths power at that time , so at that point , only Senjutsu works , because no one had the six paths power yet , after Hagoromo met Naruto and Sasuke , and gave them his power , we learn that six paths chakra can also damage the Juubi Jinchuriki , proved by Sasuke cutting Madara in half with a Chidori spear which .
Does sasuke has Senjutsu of any kind ? no , never stataed or implayed
Does he has six paths chakra ? yep , and he was able to damage Madara using it .
six paths chakra is Hagoromo's chakra , which he inherted from his mother , if you believe that her chakra can't hurt a juubi jinchuuriki then i don't know what else to tell you lol .

 

[Holy God]

Nop , you can continue to deny it all you want , but Obito was not hurt , was not shocked , was not healing , we never saw a sphere healing his body , the steam is the result of the explosion of the FRS/Enton , but he wasn't hurt as we saw , only Naruto's rasengan hurt him , which is what was stated in the manga , by Tobirama , Sasuke , Naruto , and Obito himself
It's pretty abvious , right now you are just making struggle arguments , you're just arguing to argue .

Weak excuse. The steam is not from an explosion because it came directly from the spot where he was hit and nowhere else. The same steam came from Obito's back only when it was healing, not before.

Neither Tobirama , nor Naruto , nor Sasuke , nor Minato knew about the six paths power at that time , so at that point , only Senjutsu works , because no one had the six paths power yet , after Hagoromo met Naruto and Sasuke , and gave them his power , we learn that six paths chakra can also damage the Juubi Jinchuriki , proved by Sasuke cutting Madara in half with a Chidori spear which .
Does sasuke has Senjutsu of any kind ? no , never stataed or implayed
Does he has six paths chakra ? yep , and he was able to damage Madara using it .
six paths chakra is Hagoromo's chakra , which he inherted from his mother , if you believe that her chakra can't hurt a juubi jinchuuriki then i don't know what else to tell you lol .

You provide faulty logic once again. You believe that the reason Sasuke was able to use Black Chidori was because of Six Paths chakra and that is because Sasuke specifically states he's using Six Paths power. That would mean he wasn't using it when slicing Madara since his lightning was not black. Kaguya is the ten-tails and all of her chakra is embedded with natural energy. Hagoromo himself however is not.

 

[Kyle storm]

Weak excuse. The steam is not from an explosion because it came directly from the spot where he was hit and nowhere else. The same steam came from Obito's back only when it was healing, not before.


You provide faulty logic once again. You believe that the reason Sasuke was able to use Black Chidori was because of Six Paths chakra and that is because Sasuke specifically states he's using Six Paths power. That would mean he wasn't using it when slicing Madara since his lightning was not black. Kaguya is the ten-tails and all of her chakra is embedded with natural energy. Hagoromo himself however is not.

Lol , you can deny it all you want , it's not gonna change anything , Obito wasn't hurt with FRS/Enton , but he was hurt with sage mode Rasengan , regardless of what you would like to believe
Obito took the FRS/Enton , he wasn't damaged , he didn't say anything , he didn't express any pain , he didnt heal
in another words :
Move on !
Moot point again , Sasuke cut Madara in half with a chidori sharp spear that wasnt black , so even IF - an that's a big IF - his black chidori was senjutsu , that still won't change the fact that his chidori spear which wasn't black did damage to Madara , meaning six paths chakra can damage a Juubi Jinchuriki's body .

 

[Kyle storm]

Oh hey , The Sage456 is here , get ready to hear some funny shit
Sasuke doesn't have rikudou chakra
Naruto doesn't have rikudou chakra
They lost the seals booo hoooo , he can't stand the fact that the two characters he hate the most have rikudou chakra while his beloved Hashi was left in the dust lol

 

[Holy God]

Lol , you can deny it all you want , it's not gonna change anything , Obito wasn't hurt with FRS/Enton , but he was hurt with sage mode Rasengan , regardless of what you would like to believe
Obito took the FRS/Enton , he wasn't damaged , he didn't say anything , he didn't express any pain , he didnt heal
in another words :

You speak as if your opinion is confirmed fact. If it was we wouldn't be having this discussion. Truth-Seeking Spheres and the ten-tails' host's body is different. The reason why they rely on Truth-Seeking Spheres is because they negate physical matter and regular chakra due to Yin-Yang Style. The body does not do this and this is why Obito called on them after being attacked. We wouldn't see Obito expressing his damage simply because he was covered in flames and had already mostly healed, just like it took him one page to heal after being hit by sage chakra. You can't properly justify the regenerating smoke so I don't see why you disagree.

Move on !
Moot point again , Sasuke cut Madara in half with a chidori sharp spear that wasnt black , so even IF - an that's a big IF - his black chidori was senjutsu , that still won't change the fact that his chidori spear which wasn't black did damage to Madara , meaning six paths chakra can damage a Juubi Jinchuriki's body .

I'm not arguing against Six Paths chakra damaging a hosts' body if I think all chakra can.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Kakashi wins low/mid diff at most
Lol at PS cancelling each other like if it was just susano vs susano . Madara's PS gets ripped off and one shotted by long range Kamui whatever the boost PS got from Rinningan and Sage mode ,so we can delete Madara's PS from the equation .nothing else in Madara's arsenal including Limbo can do damage to Kakashi's PS and without his PS ,Madara gets manhandled by Kakashi's PS .

 

[Kyle storm]

You speak as if your opinion is confirmed fact. If it was we wouldn't be having this discussion. Truth-Seeking Spheres and the ten-tails' host's body is different. The reason why they rely on Truth-Seeking Spheres is because they negate physical matter and regular chakra due to Yin-Yang Style. The body does not do this and this is why Obito called on them after being attacked. We wouldn't see Obito expressing his damage simply because he was covered in flames and had already mostly healed, just like it took him one page to heal after being hit by sage chakra. You can't properly justify the regenerating smoke so I don't see why you disagree.



I'm not arguing against Six Paths chakra damaging a hosts' body if I think all chakra can.

Not my opinion , it's what happened in the Manga , and if you want to argue against canon , then be my guest , but i'm not gonna stay here and argue with a guy who refuses to believe Masashi Kishimoto's manga , and instead wants to force his own vews , because it fits his agenda
Fact of the matter is this , Obito wasn't hurt with FRS/Enton , he didn't say anything , didn't express any feelings of pain , or any signs that he was damaged , nd he didnt heal , unlike what happened when Naruto hit his with sage mode rasengan , REGARDLESS of what you want to believe , peace .

 

[Holy God]

Not my opinion , it's what happened in the Manga , and if you want to argue against canon , then be my guest , but i'm not gonna stay here and argue with a guy who refuses to believe Masashi Kishimoto's manga , and instead wants to force his own vews , because it fits his agenda
Fact of the matter is this , Obito wasn't hurt with FRS/Enton , he didn't say anything , didn't express any feelings of pain , or any signs that he was damaged , nd he didnt heal , unlike what happened when Naruto hit his with sage mode rasengan , REGARDLESS of what you want to believe , peace .

Sorry, but you're the one twisting the meaning to fit your views. You think that Madara, who has Hagoromo's chakra (Six Paths chakra), doesn't have Six Paths chakra. With that you also think hosts can apply Yin-Yang Style to themselves, even though Obito's body failed to negate ninjutsu. In both ideals you're simply flawed and are ignorant of the manga. Regardless, it doesn't change the result of this matchup, which by your posts I'd assume you think Madara wins.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Kakshi won't be able to react to limbo so he looses.

 

[Uchihakil]

Limbo > kamui if the two faced off coz kakashi the kamui user can't sense nor see limbo, that's his downfall, madara on the other hand can counter kakashi's arsenal just fine, kamui shuriken with yasaka magatama beads, kamui raikiri, limbo swap etc, any ninjutsu gets absorbed or blocked, genjutsu won't work 1, limbo already trashed the bijuus , 4 limbos + PS would trash kakashi's PS

Bout sasuke having rikudou senjutsu, no he does'nt but he has rikudou senjutsu chakra in his seal (the moon chibaku tensei itself is a siz path sage mode ability) so yea that's why his chidori turned black (just like how it turned black in vote 1 when he used cursed mark chakra) there won't be any significance in it turning black if it aint senjutsu coz it sure as hell aint for sure, it signifies something

And rikudou chakra also affect juubi jins ofcourse, we saw that happen multiple times

 

[ARGUS]

Madara mid diffs

-- PS buffed by real Rinnegan, EMS plus SM and Rikudo chakra would be above kakashis PS which is only buffed by a mere fragment of obitos stolen Rikduo chakra. A battle of PS results in Kakashi getting wrecked

-- ST takes care of kamui shuriken. So do PS swords

-- once PS is down, Limbo wrecks him, there are 4 clones that Kakashi can't see or sense, so te second he solidifies to attack, Madara sends his 4 clones to knock him down and then finish him off

-- kamui raikiri is also meaningless since it only warps what it pierces, Preta would take care of this just fine,

-- Kmaui can be sensed by Madara and the chakra built up can also be seen. From then on Madara has Limbo, Mokuton and ST to counter it.

-- flower tree world also finishes him once PS is lost. Since kakashis 5 min limit would be breached and he'll be put to sleep

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

madara mid diff.

 

[Mellow]

Madara easily