Double Rinnegan Sage mode Madara vs Double Mangekyou Sharingan Kakashi

[Kyle storm]

I never said Madara is close to Hagoromo's chakra quantity. That's still impossible though for you to quantify since you're only reasoning is because he's the son of Kaguya.

The regeneration of a Holy Tree host is not instant. By what we've seen in the manga, Kamui is fast enough to finish before Naruto moves an inch, so Kaguya probably can't react. If he is able to rip her head off she won't have control of her body and no defense with just a head. Her RinneSharingan would get crushed and her head/body sealed individually.

Nop , it's not just because he's the sage of the six paths , but there are many things , tho i'm not here to discuss Madara vs Hagoromo , so let's keep that out at the moment .

Kamui will never catch Kaguya , never , at all , if he try to wrap her , she'll just :
- Use ame no minaka to teleport away
- Teleport to the gravity dimention , which will stop Kakashi
- Teleport to the Ice dimention , which will freez Kakashi
- Teleport to the Lava dimention , since she reacted to things far far far faster than Kamui .
And more more options , TBH saying Kamui can defeat Kaguya is the pinnacle of Kamui wank , the manga made it clear that the only thing that can defeat Kaguya is : Rikudou : Chibaku Tensei

 

[Holy God]

Nop , it's not just because he's the sage of the six paths , but there are many things , tho i'm not here to discuss Madara vs Hagoromo , so let's keep that out at the moment .

Kamui will never catch Kaguya , never , at all , if he try to wrap her , she'll just :
- Use ame no minaka to teleport away
- Teleport to the gravity dimention , which will stop Kakashi
- Teleport to the Ice dimention , which will freez Kakashi
- Teleport to the Lava dimention , since she reacted to things far far far faster than Kamui .
And more more options , TBH saying Kamui can defeat Kaguya is the pinnacle of Kamui wank , the manga made it clear that the only thing that can defeat Kaguya is : Rikudou : Chibaku Tensei

Now you've gone from saying that Kamui wouldn't work even if she let him to her using tactics. I agree that if she knew what Kamui even was that she could stop it before it happens, but in a situation where he had Naruto and Sasuke who she was focusing on, even if they weren't attacking her directly, he could instantly rip off her head without her knowing (if it was possible of course). Besides, as already proven, if Kamui is disturbed it still rips whatever it got before the interruption.

 

[Kyle storm]

Your post is as moronic as your 4th grade grammar.

Six Paths Chakra is either what the Rinnegan produces or Rikudou Senjutsu produces A principle of discussion is to provide official proof for speculation, otherwise, your claims are invalid. Claiming that the Six Paths Chakra produced from Madara's Rinnegan is somehow different from the Six Paths Chakra has no sense of words. You will need to provide official materials that the Six Paths Chakra Madara produces is different from what Rikudou-powered characters shown.

Jin Obito (who possessed greater Six Paths Senjutsu than Kakashi) could not defeat Naruto and Sasuke, yet Rinnegan Madara babyshaked the Hokages and killed Naruto and Sasuke in seconds. There you go.

If you can't support your baseless speculations with official proof, then don't expect another reply from me. Madara low-diffs Kakashi.

No fool , that's not how it works
The only reason Juubito lost was because his will was weak , and the fact that Naruto and Sasuke had the help from the Edo Hokages , and the entire SA army to drag the Bijuu out of Obito , otherwise Obito would've raped them with sword of Nonobuko , in a 1 on 1 fight , Juubito would rape this version of Madara without a shred of effort .

Having the Rinnegan doesn't exactly mean having six paths chakra , the six paths chakra is used to awaken the Rinnegan and then it's gone , someone like Sasuke for example , has both the Rinnegan and the six paths chakra because he got it from someone who already has the six paths chakra , and that would be Hagoromo .

You want a proof ? simple :
We know that a juubi jinchuriki can be damaged with attacks that uses sage mode chakra or six paths chakra .
Madara who wanted to fight Juubito , stated that he needed Hashirama's sage mode to fight him because without it he can't damage Juubito .
If Madara had the six paths chakra , he would never waste time trying to take Hashirama's sage mode .
On the other hand , Sasuke has a huge amount of six paths chakra , which enabled him to damage the juubi jinchuuriki .

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

You want a proof ? simple :
We know that a juubi jinchuriki can be damaged with attacks that uses sage mode chakra or six paths chakra .
Madara who wanted to fight Juubito , stated that he needed Hashirama's sage mode to fight him because without it he can't damage Juubito .
If Madara had the six paths chakra , he would never waste time trying to take Hashirama's sage mode .
On the other hand , Sasuke has a huge amount of six paths chakra , which enabled him to damage the juubi jinchuuriki .

Do I need to remind you that Madara was Edo Madara which he had fake Rinnegan so he could not acess Rikudo Chakra and the full power of the eyes? JJs can be damaged by regular Jutsu too you know... But they are more vulnerable to Senjutsu attacks.TSBs can not be broken without it though. Edo Madara wanted Hashi's Sage mode so that he could destroy the TSBs.

 

[Kyle storm]

Do I need to remind you that Madara was Edo Madara which he had fake Rinnegan so he could not acess Rikudo Chakra and the full power of the eyes? JJs can be damaged by regular Jutsu too you know... But they are more vulnerable to Senjutsu attacks.TSBs can not be broken without it though. Edo Madara wanted Hashi's Sage mode so that he could destroy the TSBs.

Being an Edo is irrelevant , do you even know how Edo Madara got the fake Rinnegan ?
It was because Kabuto embedded Hashirama's cells in his body , which awakened the six paths chakra , which awakened the Rinnegan in his Edo body , if there was any six paths chakra left after awakening the Rinnegan , he wouldn't state that he needs Hashirama's sage mode to fight Juubito .
The Manga made it clear , only physical attacks / sage mode attacks / six paths chakra , can hurt a Juubi jinchuuriki , anything else is useless .

 

[Oblivionx]

@Kyle storm You really think they are debating it dude They don't even know what they are saying..
One guy says jubi less madara= hogoromo other says jubi less madara is on par with rikudo characters like kakashi/naruto/sasuke when he was destroyed even with jubi.. And then another one says jubi less madara can defeat jin obito.
I am taking my leave. May you be able to get outta here as well

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

@Kyle storm You really think they are debating it dude They don't even know what they are saying..
One guy says jubi less madara= hogoromo other says jubi less madara is on par with rikudo characters like kakashi/naruto/sasuke when he was destroyed even with jubi.. And then another one says jubi less madara can defeat jin obito.
I am taking my leave. May you be able to get outta here as well

Kakashi's power up is a mere fraction of Rikudo chakra which lasted 5 minutes. Also you didn't provide a counter to the 4 Limbos whereas Madara has counters to Kamui. At the start you said that Kakashi will somehow felt Limbo with his Rikudo chakra which is wrong. Madara's Rikudo chakra is more than Kakashi's. Also Madara had One Rinnegan with Juubi and he was nerfed at his battle with Gai and against Naruto and Sasuke it was 2 vs 1. With his 2 Eyes he turned to the tide of the battle and he did IT. Kakashi's Rikudo chakra doesn't compare to Naruto's or Sasuke's. The only hax thing he has is Kamui but its countered by Limbo.

Being an Edo is irrelevant , do you even know how Edo Madara got the fake Rinnegan ?
It was because Kabuto embedded Hashirama's cells in his body , which awakened the six paths chakra , which awakened the Rinnegan in his Edo body , if there was any six paths chakra left after awakening the Rinnegan , he wouldn't state that he needs Hashirama's sage mode to fight Juubito .
The Manga made it clear , only physical attacks / sage mode attacks / six paths chakra , can hurt a Juubi jinchuuriki , anything else is useless .

No dude its not irrelevant. Madara had already Hashi DNA... Kabuto added more yes but we don't know how he made Madara younger. (we can only speculate) Edo Tensei revives you to state before your death. Madara died as an old man. The Rinnegan that was reconstructed by this its far from the real deal. Being alive is another story. Rebirth Madara could use Limbo, summon the Mazo by breaking the Sage's seal! The Rikudo chakra old Madara had was enough to break the seal. This is the real Rinnegan that Hago stated that Madara awakened by awakening his chakra. Only one of the real ones was enough for 1 Limbo and 2 for four, whereas the complete set of the fake Rinnegans couldn't produce even one. That shows difference in power.

 

[Kyle storm]

No dude its not irrelevant. Madara had already Hashi DNA... Kabuto added more yes but we don't know how he made Madara younger. (we can only speculate) Edo Tensei revives you to state before your death. Madara died as an old man. The Rinnegan that was reconstructed by this its far from the real deal. Being alive is another story. Rebirth Madara could use Limbo, summon the Mazo by breaking the Sage's seal! The Rikudo chakra old Madara had was enough to break the seal. This is the real Rinnegan that Hago stated that Madara awakened by awakening his chakra. Only one of the real ones was enough for 1 Limbo and 2 for four, whereas the complete set of the fake Rinnegans couldn't produce even one. That shows difference in power.

No dude , just no
You are mixing the Rinnegan with the six paths chakra , when they are two different things .
Edo Madara couldn't use Outer path / Gedo Mazo / Limbo , because he had a fake Rinnegan , these jutsus have nothing to do with the Six paths chakra .

Even if Edo Madara had a 1000 tons of six paths chakra , he still wouldn't be able to summon the Gedo Mazo or use Limbo , because his Rinnegan is FAKE , not real .

And even if Madara had a REAL Rinnegan , he still won't be able to defeat Juubito because he lacks Sage mode chakra , or six paths chakra

Do you see the difference now ?
No six paths chakra = you can't hurt the Juubi Jinchuriki REGARDLESS of you have a real Rinnegan or fake Rinnegan .

Madara being reincarnated as a young man is probably another asspull , the only thing Kabuto mentioned was adding Hashirama's cells to Madara , nothing else , he didn't deaged him or made him younger .

 

[Holy God]

No dude , just no
You are mixing the Rinnegan with the six paths chakra , when they are two different things .
Edo Madara couldn't use Outer path / Gedo Mazo / Limbo , because he had a fake Rinnegan , these jutsus have nothing to do with the Six paths chakra .

Even if Edo Madara had a 1000 tons of six paths chakra , he still wouldn't be able to summon the Gedo Mazo or use Limbo , because his Rinnegan is FAKE , not real .

And even if Madara had a REAL Rinnegan , he still won't be able to defeat Juubito because he lacks Sage mode chakra , or six paths chakra

Do you see the difference now ?
No six paths chakra = you can't hurt the Juubi Jinchuriki REGARDLESS of you have a real Rinnegan or fake Rinnegan .

Madara being reincarnated as a young man is probably another asspull , the only thing Kabuto mentioned was adding Hashirama's cells to Madara , nothing else , he didn't deaged him or made him younger .

I think you have the definitions mixed. Six Paths chakra is Hagoromo's own chakra, which Madara has due to his DNA modifications, while Six Paths Sage chakra is something he doesn't gain from that. Six Paths chakra itself doesn't affect Truth-Seeking Spheres.

 

[Edogawa]

No fool , that's not how it works
The only reason Juubito lost was because his will was weak , and the fact that Naruto and Sasuke had the help from the Edo Hokages , and the entire SA army to drag the Bijuu out of Obito , otherwise Obito would've raped them with sword of Nonobuko , in a 1 on 1 fight , Juubito would rape this version of Madara without a shred of effort .

Having the Rinnegan doesn't exactly mean having six paths chakra , the six paths chakra is used to awaken the Rinnegan and then it's gone , someone like Sasuke for example , has both the Rinnegan and the six paths chakra because he got it from someone who already has the six paths chakra , and that would be Hagoromo .

You want a proof ? simple :
We know that a juubi jinchuriki can be damaged with attacks that uses sage mode chakra or six paths chakra .
Madara who wanted to fight Juubito , stated that he needed Hashirama's sage mode to fight him because without it he can't damage Juubito .
If Madara had the six paths chakra , he would never waste time trying to take Hashirama's sage mode .
On the other hand , Sasuke has a huge amount of six paths chakra , which enabled him to damage the juubi jinchuuriki .

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[TheSages456]

Obito by his own admission deems Madara as unstoppable with both Rinnegan.
He preferred the power of Madara's Rinnegan to his own Kamui, with the only thing keeping him from implanting the other eye was his inability to handle both. I'm not sure what inspired this ridiculous thread.

Perfect Susano'o cancels each other out.

The power of Obito's Kamui is<<Madara's Rinnegan by Obito's own admission, so with PS out of the equation, Madara destroys Kakashi.
Kamui Raikiri is absorbed by Preta path or redirected by Uchiha reflection. Kakashi can't enter cqc nor would he know when to turn intangible due to not being able to perceive Limbo.

 

[Kyle storm]

You're letting your anger distort your judgement. I'll report you for breaking the rules.

Like Holy God said: you're misunderstanding the term Six Paths Chakra. The Six Paths Chakra Madara and Sasuke awoke via Rinnegan is Hagoromo's natural Chakra, whereas Sage Six Paths Chakra is Hagoromo's natural Chakra mixed with Natural Energy. They don't have the same properties.

Jubi's Jinchuriki will always protect themselves via TSB, which any opponent must have Senjutsu to bypass in order to deliver a blow to Jubi's Jinchuriki. The scan I posted shows Obito's right side with burns and it heals afterwards, which is a sign that you don't need Senjutsu to damage Jubi's Jinchuriki's body. It would make no sense for Jubi's Jinchuriki to be able to negate Ninjutsu by their body and negate it further by TSB, if both had identical mechanism, so it must mean only one can negate it Ninjutsu.

I've academically debated politics and business at university; speaking with imbeciles such as yourself is a mere child play. There is an ocean in intellect between me and you.

Looool , what a fool .

Hagoromo's chakra (six paths chakra) is the chakra that you get when you mix Ashura and Indra's chakra , or you can get it directly from Hagoromo himself .
Six paths senjutsu chakra is six paths chakra mixed with Natural energy , we already know this . So what is your point ?

Juubi Jinchuuriki's body can not be damaged by attacks that doesn't use senjutsu
Tobirama stated this
Sasuke stated this
The manga made it clear

Naruto hit Obito with a Sage mode Rasengan , which made a hole in his back and made him bleed
After that , Tobirama said that Senjutsu does work on Obito , not Ninjutsu
And then Obito himself said that he didn't know that the Juubi Jinchuriki can be damaged with Senjutsu

Now let me ask your dumbass a question , did Naruto hit Obito's body or did he hit his TSB ?
Oh wait , what's the point from asking anyway ?
This is the dumbass that thinks regular ninjutsu can damage a Juubi Jinchuurikis body even tho the manga slapped his stupid face with facts
Ha ha ha , what a fool .

 

[Kyle storm]

Obito by his own admission deems Madara as unstoppable with both Rinnegan.
He preferred the power of Madara's Rinnegan to his own Kamui, with the only thing keeping him from implanting the other eye was his inability to handle both. I'm not sure what inspired this ridiculous thread.

Perfect Susano'o cancels each other out.

The power of Obito's Kamui is<<Madara's Rinnegan by Obito's own admission, so with PS out of the equation, Madara destroys Kakashi.
Kamui Raikiri is absorbed by Preta path or redirected by Uchiha reflection. Kakashi can't enter cqc nor would he know when to turn intangible due to not being able to perceive Limbo.

LOOOOOL , you are a real hypocrite sometimes do you know that ?

If this was DRSM Madara vs Hashirama , you would be the first one to spew your garbage about how :
- Hurr durr Hashirama already one shotted a PS
- Hurr durr Hashirama can sense Limbo with his sage mode (even tho the manga made it clear that only RSM can sense it)
- Hurr durr Madara's full power doesn't come from the Rinnegan , it' his PS , there for Hashirama wins bla bla bla
- Hurr durr Limbo is not a factor bla bla bla
But because this isn't Hashirama , suddenly Madara is unstoppable with both Rinnegns , and suddenly Limbo is a one shot technique lol

Well , lucky for us , we have the Manga to tell us what will happen :
- Limbo tweests Hashirama's neck
- Hashirama gets 6-7 Black receivers in his back as pre canon , and then he dies afterwards .

Or , do you have something else to say ?

 

[TheSages456]

LOOOOOL , you are a real hypocrite sometimes do you know that ?

If this was DRSM Madara vs Hashirama , you would be the first one to spew your garbage about how :
- Hurr durr Hashirama already one shotted a PS
- Hurr durr Hashirama can sense Limbo with his sage mode (even tho the manga made it clear that only RSM can sense it)
- Hurr durr Madara's full power doesn't come from the Rinnegan , it' his PS , there for Hashirama wins bla bla bla
- Hurr durr Limbo is not a factor bla bla bla
But because this isn't Hashirama , suddenly Madara is unstoppable with both Rinnegns , and suddenly Limbo is a one shot technique lol

Well , lucky for us , we have the Manga to tell us what will happen :
- Limbo tweests Hashirama's neck
- Hashirama gets 6-7 Black receivers in his back as pre canon , and then he dies afterwards .

Or , do you have something else to say ?

Didn't say anything about Limbo being a one-shot technique, nor did I say that it would one-shot Kakashi.
The rest of your post is just butthurt that isn't worth addressing.

 

[Kyle storm]

Didn't say anything about Limbo being a one-shot technique, nor did I say that it would one-shot Kakashi.
The rest of your post is just butthurt that isn't worth addressing.

Concession accepted .

 

[Kyle storm]

I think you have the definitions mixed. Six Paths chakra is Hagoromo's own chakra, which Madara has due to his DNA modifications, while Six Paths Sage chakra is something he doesn't gain from that. Six Paths chakra itself doesn't affect Truth-Seeking Spheres.

Nop , six paths chakra can damage a Juubi Jinchuuriki , pretty sure Sasuke made that clear .

 

[Holy God]

Nop , six paths chakra can damage a Juubi Jinchuuriki , pretty sure Sasuke made that clear .

I'm not talking about the ten-tails host. Any chakra can damage one. Truth-Seeking Spheres however, which apply the Yin-Yang Style, can only be affected by natural energy (sage chakra) which Six Paths chakra does not have. There's a reason why there was a clear difference made between Six Paths chakra and Six Paths Sage chakra.

 

[Scryed]

Wait wait...

Non-JJ Rinnegan Madara DOES have Six Paths chakra. He was the one who awakened it upon awakening the Rinnegan (Indra+Ashura chakra=Hagoromo's chakra)

The quality is the same. It's simply six paths chakra. It's just the amount that's different.

 

[Kyle storm]

I'm not talking about the ten-tails host. Any chakra can damage one. Truth-Seeking Spheres however, which apply the Yin-Yang Style, can only be affected by natural energy (sage chakra) which Six Paths chakra does not have. There's a reason why there was a clear difference made between Six Paths chakra and Six Paths Sage chakra.

Naruto hits Obito's flesh with a sage mode Rasengan , he hit his flesh , his skin , his back , not his TSB
Tobirama said after seeing this : " I knew it , if ninjutsu won't work , then senjutsu will "
Obito is also shocked that he was damaged with that Rasengan .
Now what does this tells us ? i'll let you figure that out .

Sasuke doesn't have , never had , six paths senjutsu , he only has the six paths chakra which he received from Hagoromo yet his chidori/chidori Eiso damaged Madara's body .
Now what doesn this tells us ? i'll let you figure that out .

 

[Holy God]

Naruto hits Obito's flesh with a sage mode Rasengan , he hit his flesh , his skin , his back , not his TSB
Tobirama said after seeing this : " I knew it , if ninjutsu won't work , then senjutsu will "
Obito is also shocked that he was damaged with that Rasengan .
Now what does this tells us ? i'll let you figure that out .

Perhaps I should enlighten you?

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In this image we can undeniably see that Obito was damaged by the attack. The Truth-Seeking Spheres were needed in order to negate the effects of the attack and allow Obito to properly heal, which is what the steam is from.

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Here we see a Truth-Seeking Sphere out of it's order attempting to negate the effects to no use. Obito proceeds to heal which uses the same steaming effect as it did before.

Sasuke doesn't have , never had , six paths senjutsu , he only has the six paths chakra which he received from Hagoromo yet his chidori/chidori Eiso damaged Madara's body .
Now what doesn this tells us ? i'll let you figure that out .

Black Chidori is a Sage Arts technique. He has had Six Paths Sage chakra. Regardless, Madara still had Six Paths chakra after awakening the Rinnegan. Perhaps you don't understand how doujutsu work, but Madara and other Uchiha are able to switch between eyes because they determine which special chakra to use. Just like Naruto uses the Tailed Beasts' chakra to use their bloodline limits, Madara uses Hagoromo's to utilize the Rinnegan.