double rinnegan alive madara vs bsm naruto, ems sasuke, bsm minato, tobirama

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Location: juubito vs the alliance

Distance: 100 meters

Intel: manga

Intent: kill

Conditions: this is alive double rinnegan madara without hashi's sm. madara can use ps, mokujin, and wood dragon in this fight. naruto and minato both start in bsm and everyone on their team has a chakra cloak from both of them. minato has everyone on his team marked.

Restrictions: shinsuusenju for madara

scenario 2: madara has hashi's sm but shinsuusenju is still restricted. gokage and killer bee are added to team 2 and they are given chakra cloaks as well.

who wins and why?
 

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Madara wins.

Limbo is such an inconspicuous attack that cannot be perceived by any of the team, so manifesting four Limbos can be used to disorient them as he did in canon while he reacts with a subsequent Mokuton and Perfect Susano'o to finish them off. He wins no matter what.
 

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Lack of SM Sensing, enables Tobirama to strike Madara as he would've in canon -- Decapitation >. However, if somehow double rinnegan increases Madara's sensory to SM levels then the former statement is null.

100 meters; I recede my statement.
 

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madara wins with Limbo
 

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Limbo will easily give Madara the win.
 

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Madara dies obviously. Perfect Susano'o is just Biju level power and Limbo is irrelevant to Susano'o and 2 Kuramas. Not like he can extract Biju either due to Hiraishin and Susano'o cutting the chains.
 

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Madara dies obviously.
You severely underestimate Madara.

Perfect Susano'o is just Biju level power and Limbo is irrelevant to Susano'o and 2 Kuramas.
One Limbo shadow can knock out nine Tailed Beasts but four or five shadows can't take on the equivalent of three Tailed Beasts?

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Not like he can extract Biju either due to Hiraishin and Susano'o cutting the chains.

A single shadow can take care of Sasuke. There's also Wood Style: Wood Dragon or the fact that the Demonic Statue's chains are not limited to Tailed Beasts and cutting them has absolutely no effect.

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Madara dies obviously. Perfect Susano'o is just Biju level power and Limbo is irrelevant to Susano'o and 2 Kuramas. Not like he can extract Biju either due to Hiraishin and Susano'o cutting the chains.

your severely underestimating this version of madara. he has rikuduo chakra enhancing his ps and all his other jutsu as well.
 

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You severely underestimate Madara.


One Limbo shadow can knock out nine Tailed Beasts but four or five shadows can't take on the equivalent of three Tailed Beasts?

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They were just knocked down so Madara could have an opening to chain them. They weren't disabled or anything like that. It's not like Limbo is going to be running around all match either. The jutsu has a cooldown after being used for a period of time.


A single shadow can take care of Sasuke. There's also Wood Style: Wood Dragon or the fact that the Demonic Statue's chains are not limited to Tailed Beasts and cutting them has absolutely no effect.

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Susano'o was mentioned to have kept everyone safe from all 4 of Madara's Limbo when Sasuke protected everyone from IT. Majestic Attire dons the same armor. The Wood dragon isn't relevant at all vs Majestic Attire.

I'm not seeing why Sasuke can't just keep slcing away before the chains can reconnect while Naruto fires Bijudama at the Gedo Mazo. The chains not only working against Biju doesn't really mean anything since that still doesn't prevent them from being cut. Sasuke cutting the chains also allows escape with Hiraishin if anyone even gets caught in the first place which is doubtful.
 

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They were just knocked down so Madara could have an opening to chain them. They weren't disabled or anything like that. It's not like Limbo is going to be running around all match either. The jutsu has a cooldown after being used for a period of time.

Yes, but you said Limbo was irrelevant. If the shadows can knock around avatars, that can leave a huge opening for Madara to strike. It took some time before the Tailed Beasts could get back up. The duration of rest is pretty short too. It only took about a minute, the time for Sasuke and Naruto to converse and do their combination attack on Madara.

Susano'o was mentioned to have kept everyone safe from all 4 of Madara's Limbo when Sasuke protected everyone from IT. Majestic Attire dons the same armor.

Incorrect in a sense. The only thing said was that the shadows were still outside. They hadn't attempted to attack during Infinite Tsukuyomi. Also, neither Naruto or Sasuke have Six Paths chakra here, so Limbo can casually bypass their avatars at will and attack directly.

The Wood dragon isn't relevant at all vs Majestic Attire.

True. I hadn't accounted for Majestic Attire: Susano'o.

I'm not seeing why Sasuke can't just keep slcing away before the chains can reconnect while Naruto fires Bijudama at the Gedo Mazo. The chains not only working against Biju doesn't really mean anything since that still doesn't prevent them from being cut. Sasuke cutting the chains also allows escape with Hiraishin if anyone even gets caught in the first place which is doubtful.

I don't think any techniques can be formed while under the Demonic Statue's domain, as that would've been the obvious choice of attack against Madara in the story. If it is possible, it probably uses up too much concentration and would lead to being sucked up in an instant. With Limbo attacking as well, it would be too difficult to counter.

If teleportation can escape the Demonic Statue, which is most likely, then this method of winning certainly wouldn't work, but it's still not the only way. With Limbo, Madara can take on the opposing party by himself whether in close-combat or using avatars.
 
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Yes, but you said Limbo was irrelevant. If the shadows can knock around avatars, that can leave a huge opening for Madara to strike. It took some time before the Tailed Beasts could get back up. The duration of rest is pretty short too. It only took about a minute, the time for Sasuke and Naruto to converse and do their combination attack on Madara.
The rest time for Limbo isn't long, but you're saying that Madara can take on the opposing party by himself using Limbo, which means to me that you're implying he can't without it. Over the course of the battle there will be periods where he can't use Limbo if only for a minute or so.
Limbo knocks everyone down, then what? How does Madara capitalize on the situation when removing the Biju from play isn't feasible?

Incorrect in a sense. The only thing said was that the shadows were still outside. They hadn't attempted to attack during Infinite Tsukuyomi. Also, neither Naruto or Sasuke have Six Paths chakra here, so Limbo can casually bypass their avatars at will and attack directly.
Sasuke stated that it was too dangerous to go outside with Limbo still out there and the IT light still up. The conclusion that logically follows it that Susano'o did grant a safety net from these things otherwise Sasuke's statement doesn't make much sense.

No, I don't think that Limbo has selective permeability since that isn't hinted at, nor do I think that was the author's intention. It's only stated that you need Six Paths Sage chakra to damage it. No special chakra is needed to make physical contact.
Sasuke's sword went through it, but that can just be interpreted as it ripping through Limbo without doing any damage. Sakura's punch made contact but did no damage. Sasuke's non sage chakra enhanced Chidori spear made contact but did no damage.
It's not likely that Limbo has an innate Kamui-like ability.

I don't think any techniques can be formed while under the Demonic Statue's domain, as that would've been the obvious choice of attack against Madara in the story. If it is possible, it probably uses up too much concentration and would lead to being sucked up in an instant. With Limbo attacking as well, it would be too difficult to counter.

If teleportation can escape the Demonic Statue, which is most likely, then this method of winning certainly wouldn't work, but it's still not the only way. With Limbo, Madara can take on the opposing party by himself whether in close-combat or using avatars.
I proposed that the chains get cut up before they even bind Kurama. With Majestic attire in play, Susano'o can cut the chains while Kurama attacks the statue directly with Bijudama. Even if Majestic Attire gets caught somehow due to Limbo interfering, the chains just get cut.
But yeah, Hiraishin makes Biju extraction unlikely.
 
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Madara dies obviously. Perfect Susano'o is just Biju level power and Limbo is irrelevant to Susano'o and 2 Kuramas. Not like he can extract Biju either due to Hiraishin and Susano'o cutting the chains.

This is staggering coming from a Madara fan.

I hope you didn't forget that Madara can erect Mokuton including Wood Dragon which easily subdues Minato and Naruto while he uses this opportunity to brutalize them with Susano'o.

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what if madara couldnt use limbo? do you guys think this would give team 2 the win?

Maybe.
 

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The rest time for Limbo isn't long, but you're saying that Madara can take on the opposing party by himself using Limbo, which means to me that you're implying he can't without it. Over the course of the battle there will be periods where he can't use Limbo if only for a minute or so.
Limbo knocks everyone down, then what? How does Madara capitalize on the situation when removing the Biju from play isn't feasible?
It ranges. If they're currently clashing, after getting hit by Limbo, Naruto, Sasuke, nor Minato would be able to avoid an incoming Perfect Susano'o slash. If Madara is losing in a clash, Limbo makes sure to disrupt and completely stop that situation. Limbo can even knock avatars into Madara's attacks. It also allows Madara to focus on one avatar while some amount of shadows deal with the other.

Sasuke stated that it was too dangerous to go outside with Limbo still out there and the IT light still up. The conclusion that logically follows it that Susano'o did grant a safety net from these things otherwise Sasuke's statement doesn't make much sense.
Limbo would have to destroy Perfect Susano'o in order to get to them, which is the protection it granted. Limbo was already able to knock around Tailed Beasts. Shadows with increased strength and speed from Six Paths Sage Mode would damage Susano'o too. Not to mention if they were attacking Sasuke would have mentioned something like that.

No, I don't think that Limbo has selective permeability since that isn't hinted at, nor do I think that was the author's intention. It's only stated that you need Six Paths Sage chakra to damage it. No special chakra is needed to make physical contact.
Sasuke's sword went through it, but that can just be interpreted as it ripping through Limbo without doing any damage. Sakura's punch made contact but did no damage. Sasuke non sage chakra enhanced Chidori spear made contact but did no damage.
It's not likely that Limbo has an innate Kamui-like ability.

To be able to make contact but not damage makes no sense. The sword just "ripping" through Madara with no trajectory change or any effect on the shadow also makes no sense. We don't even know how the shadow blocked Sakura's punch, which would change the amount of damage. Sasuke didn't even get the chance to use Chidori Spear. He was knocked back before he could slice Limbo, shown by the placement of his sword both before and after along with the lack of motion lines.

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It ranges. If they're currently clashing, after getting hit by Limbo, Naruto, Sasuke, nor Minato would be able to avoid an incoming Perfect Susano'o slash. If Madara is losing in a clash, Limbo makes sure to disrupt and completely stop that situation. Limbo can even knock avatars into Madara's attacks. It also allows Madara to focus on one avatar while some amount of shadows deal with the other.
Going with the idea that Limbo would always be capable of setting up the perfect scenario for Madara to attack, this isn't any reason why Hiraishin couldn't be used to teleport away from Madara's attack.

I also don't see any reason why half Kurama would be pound for pound less durable than full Kurama despite being smaller. It could withstand slashes from Perfect Susano'o with a guard up, with the only problem being the difference in stature.

Limbo would have to destroy Perfect Susano'o in order to get to them, which is the protection it granted. Limbo was already able to knock around Tailed Beasts. Shadows with increased strength and speed from Six Paths Sage Mode would damage Susano'o too. Not to mention if they were attacking Sasuke would have mentioned something like that.
The shadows are as strong as Madara. Basically you think that Madara as a jinchuriki would be capable of destroying Perfect Susano'o with taijutsu?
Yes, Six Paths Sage mode would increase of the strength shadows, but there is a huge difference between merely knocking Biju down without doing any damage and doing enough damage to Perfect Susano'o to strip off it's armor. At that time, Team 7 were completely safe from anything that the shadows could do at least with taijutsu.

To be able to make contact but not damage makes no sense. The sword just "ripping" through Madara with no trajectory change or any effect on the shadow also makes no sense. We don't even know how the shadow blocked Sakura's punch, which would change the amount of damage. Sasuke didn't even get the chance to use Chidori Spear. He was knocked back before he could slice Limbo, shown by the placement of his sword both before and after along with the lack of motion lines.

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That's what's stated though. It's stated that only the Six Paths Sage chakra can damage Limbo, so insinuating that Sakura's punch and Sasuke's non sage chakra enhanced Chidori spear even had the capability to hurt it doesn't make any sense.

Nothing is said about that chakra being needed to make contact, which was my point. It's already been shown that Limbo can be touched without Six Paths Sage chakra. That's why I don't think it can just phase through everything that doesn't utilize Six Paths Sage chakra.
 

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Madara wins only due to Limbo.

Although if you give the Team the ability to make contact without Rikudou chakra, then i'll give it to the Team since they could now camp in the avatars or a combination of said avatars.

Limbo clones are like ghosts. They can pass through things and make contact with things despite others not being able to make contact with them. Like a ghost choking someone and that someone being left unable to do anything about it. Unless they have Six Paths chakra to allow them to make contact
 
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Sasuke gives his team the victory here.
 
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