As I said before, im not disagreeing with the manga in no way, form or fashion.You went overboard with this thread but I agree in essence what you are saying. Both sound ninjas will lose to the top tier characters though and you should stop disagreeing with the manga when it proved you wrong. Anyway +rep at creating this thread.
I believe Dosu can beat anyone except for gated Lee, Gaara, CS Sasuke and Temari.
I believe Kin wasn't that great but she was above some of the fodders.
The object of this thread is to create logical outcomes taking away the plot/ storyline.