Dont say kabuto solos anyone in Narutoverse

[HiddenSound]

I was hoping you would say that. Because if gamabunta killed naruto you won't say naruto killed himself, you would say gamabunta kill him. So, in conclusion, summons do not count towards their power.

If Gamabunta turns on Naruto and goes out of his way to battle him then he is not part of his power. As long as Gamabunta stays on Naruto's side then he counts as his power because he was summoned through a Jutsu that Naruto performed. Like what Edo Itachi did to Kabuto. Do you understand? But as long as the Kuchiyose is fighting on your behalf then it counts as your power. It's Kabuto's Jutsu, he took the time and steps necessary to prepare it, it's part of his power.
Although that was a nice try.

 

[Exaar]

You can say that Oro snatched away his own power which was the source for those extra you defined bcoz last time I checked Kabuto merged all those powers on behalf of Oro's powers flowing through him...

Care to show the scan on how he got them on "behalf of Oro's powers".

 

[Prince Charles]

too much fail summonings are part of the users arsonal

 

[genii96]

My point is not whether ET is included in user's arsenal or not but to clarify that Kabuto, now can't use ANY significant Edo-past_or_present_shinobi directly or through anyone... So ET is just like a big talk in his arsenal...

not really,he still has their dna with him dosent he?,all he needs to do is simply re-do the rituals again and bring them back into edo,as long as he has their dna and a sacrifice,he can bring them back over and over again. Also dosent he have edo fuu,or is it torune?

 

[The Necromancer]

If Gamabunta turns on Naruto and goes out of his way to battle him then he is not part of his power. As long as Gamabunta stays on Naruto's side then he counts as his power because he was summoned through a Jutsu that Naruto performed. Like what Edo Itachi did to Kabuto. Do you understand? But as long as the Kuchiyose is fighting on your behalf then it counts as your power. It's Kabuto's Jutsu, he took the time and steps necessary to prepare it, it's part of his power.
Although that was a nice try.

Sure, the JUTSU is his. But not any subsequent attacks used by the summoned. It's awfully convenient for you to say that if i'm right, it's wrong, but if you're right it's right. You can go through all the steps as much as you want, but even if you do and use the jutsu perfectly, the summoned can turn against you, does that make it part of the enemies' power? Not even close. Is edo itachi part of sasuke's power? No. Is he part of Kabuto's? No.

 

[Exaar]

If Edo muu kills every one, Did kabuto kill everyone or did edo muu kill everyone? Sometimes i wonder if people even know what the word SOLO means. Since Edo madara beat the 5 kage does that mean Kabuto beat the five kage? I mean his actions caused the 5 kage to lose so i guess you can say he defeated them, but madara himself soloed them.

If Edo Muu kills people, That yes that counts for kabuto, Since Muu is kabuto's Puppet and is being controlled by his Jutsu.

It's like saying if Sasori's 3rd kazekage puppet puppet killed sakura, It counts as the 3rd kazekages kill and not sasori.

Just like Sasori controlls his puppets, Kabuto controlls his Edo tensei. only difference is that he doesn't use chakra strings.

My point is not whether ET is included in user's arsenal or not but to clarify that Kabuto, now can't use ANY significant Edo-past_or_present_shinobi directly or through anyone... So ET is just like a big talk in his arsenal...

He still has:

Edo Muu, Edo Itachi, Edo kimi, Edo chiyo, Edo 6 jins, and a few more (cannot remember them all). Enough to easily solo anyone.

 

[Noobastank]

Im not saying Edo tensei is not one of kabuto's powers. dont get me wrong. just saying its not soloing if its 37 on 1. If naruto and 3 toads beat sasuke did he solo sasuke? no because it was 4 on one. naruto defeats sasuke because he used his power to beat sasuke, but he did not solo him because he summoned three other toads to help. Thats all im saying. The term SOLOED is used too loosely. Gaara vs Rocklee. Solo Victory. Sasuke Vs naruto. Solo Victory. Neji Vs kidomaru. Solo Victory. Naruto vs Gaara. Victory. Orochimaru vs Sarutobi. Vicroty.

If Kabuto summons 36 edos and killed madara. Victory. Not a solo but a victory.

 

[Exaar]

Im not saying Edo tensei is not one of kabuto's powers. dont get me wrong. just saying its not soloing if its 37 on 1. If naruto and 3 toads beat sasuke did he solo sasuke? no because it was 4 on one. naruto defeats sasuke because he used his power to beat sasuke, but he did not solo him because he summoned three other toads to help. Thats all im saying. The term SOLOED is used too loosely. Gaara vs Rocklee. Solo Victory. Sasuke Vs naruto. Solo Victory. Neji Vs kidomaru. Solo Victory. Naruto vs Gaara. Victory. Orochimaru vs Sarutobi. Vicroty.

If Kabuto summons 36 edos and killed madara. Victory. Not a solo but a victory.

I think your just mad that kabuto solo's everyone, That you have to make a stupid thread saying if a Shinobi uses summoning like techs that isn't a 1v1.
Yet you completely condone Clones techs.

Laughbale.

 

[Noobastank]

If Edo Muu kills people, That yes that counts for kabuto, Since Muu is kabuto's Puppet and is being controlled by his Jutsu.

It's like saying if Sasori's 3rd kazekage puppet puppet killed sakura, It counts as the 3rd kazekages kill and not sasori.

Just like Sasori controlls his puppets, Kabuto controlls his Edo tensei. only difference is that he doesn't use chakra strings.

This is something i can agree with. I see the point comming from this way. but you have to understand the puppets are not animated. they are nothing more than puppets that cannot control themselves. Edos can infact controll them selves. have their own abilities and chakras and elements the once had when they were alive. Puppets and Edos are two different things but they are infact tools of the shinobi like you stated. Sassori with his 100 puppets to me is still soloing because he has to Control them or they will not fight. A summon is different in my eyes. this is a very good point though. it makes me look at the situation in a different light.

and as far as clones go


Its the same because your dividing yourself. thats like saying you start the match up

1/1 vs 1/1 one whole person vs 1 whole person. and i make a shadow clones say... 4 i must divide my chakra 4 ways so now i guess its 1/1 vs 1/4+1/4+1/4+1/4 so is it not still one whole vs one whole?

 

[HiddenSound]

Sure, the JUTSU is his. But not any subsequent attacks used by the summoned. It's awfully convenient for you to say that if i'm right, it's wrong, but if you're right it's right. You can go through all the steps as much as you want, but even if you do and use the jutsu perfectly, the summoned can turn against you, does that make it part of the enemies' power? Not even close. Is edo itachi part of sasuke's power? No. Is he part of Kabuto's? No.

If the Edo starts acting out of your direct control and goes against its summoner then the only power it is is its own. Same with other summonings.

If Obito was fighting Madara and Obito summoned the Kyuubi and Obito controls the Kyuubi then it's part of Obito's power. Why? Because it's under his direct control. Now if Madara were to have a stronger Genjutsu or whatever to control the Kyuubi and takes it from Obito, then the Kyuubi is now part of Madara's power. However, if the Kyuubi were to, for the sake of argument, break free from the control of both Uchihas then it would be its own power. It has the choice to do whatever it wants. It can use its powers however it sees fit.

I'll admit that I was wrong on one thing. I will agree that your run-of-the-mill, everyday Kuchiyose does not count towards a summoner's power, but Edo Tensei is not a run-of-the-mill, everyday Kuchiyose. It allows the user complete and utter dominance over the summoning. Kabuto guides the Edos, manipulates and controls the Edos, has complete say over what the Edos can and can't do, they're his pawns. And because they are controlled to such a high degree, they are part of his power.

 

[yondaime4]

edos are not summons imo because they are actual shinobi and kabuto cant even properly use their powers,. whats stupid to me is that we all saw how flawed edo tensei actually is, with people breaking free of control or releasing their souls. not to mention oros chakra helped him control it and he no longers has oros chakra. it just annoys me when people say " kabutos got thirty edos so he stomps anyone." because all series long he was orors hoe and now he sneaks out with his stolen techs and everyone thinks hes god, he never accomplished anything, he went from oros hoe to obitos hoe and finally itachis bitch. not top 10 imo

 

[Exaar]

This is something i can agree with. I see the point comming from this way. but you have to understand the puppets are not animated. they are nothing more than puppets that cannot control themselves. Edos can infact controll them selves. have their own abilities and chakras and elements the once had when they were alive. Puppets and Edos are two different things but they are infact tools of the shinobi like you stated. Sassori with his 100 puppets to me is still soloing because he has to Control them or they will not fight. A summon is different in my eyes. this is a very good point though. it makes me look at the situation in a different light.

Edo's do not controll themselves, Edo Tensei are "Programmed" to move on their own.

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Edo Tensei are bound to kabuto's will and do what ever his orders are, The exact same that Sasori's puppets are bound to him via chakra stings.
Also the 3rd 3rd kazekage puppet still had the Jutsu's he had in life, Due to the way Sasori created him.

Edit:
It doesn't matter if the clones arn't the "whole person", It's still adding someone to the battle, It's naruto + Clones Vs, Not just naruto.
If you're discounting Summonings/Edo tensei, Other jutsu's like clones/Sasori puppets should be also, Since these all Add other fighters to combat, No matter what way you look at it.

 

[Blaze Release]

Though i am in favour of edo tensei being kabuto's power along with his other enhancements those who are for edo tensei being his power aren't doesn't him any favour by simply stating that edo tensei is just like any other summoning because it really ISN'T. There is another way to tackle this, instead of sticking to edo tensei is like any other summoning why not say that its borrowed power which is in the same category as;

Ems sasuke (Itachi's eyes)
Itachi (Shisui's ka)
Kakashi (Kamui)
Tobi (hashirama dna)
Ems madara (izuna's eyes)
Edo/rinnegan madara (Hashirama's dna)
Danzo (10 sharingan implant + shisui's eye)
Nagato (madara's eyes)
Sasori (kazekage iron sand)
Naurto (fox's power)
Bee (hachibi power)

Nobody has had an issue with borrowed power till now, so why is kabuto being harrassed. His edo tensei + enhancements is no different to the people above. To say edo tensei isnt kabuto's power is to say the people above or any other ninja whom i cannot be asked to list who has gained power from a secondary source isnt their power. You either go by the same rule for every other ninja or you shut up.

Damn hypocrites!!!

 

[Rike Senju]

Re: Dont say kabuto solos anyone

When this guy agrees you with you, you know your thread is beyond sh*t :rofl:

This post made me LOL so much..OP your just a kabuto hater U_U kabuto solo's anyone except obito IMO.

 

[GreenV]

That means Jiraiya can't summon any toads.

**** summoning is part of one's jutsu... deal with it ~

Aaaannndd, not everyone can cast Edo Tensei.

 

[shubzy123]

Kabuto CANT use Edo Tensei without Oro's power So he sucks balls
Oro took it off him so yeah. He cant use sage either Thats also Oro's power. On his own hes an ok ninja, abover average but thats it. In a 1 on 1 most people could solo him. Maybe not sakura. Sakura sucks

 

[jmnaruto12]

Edo tensei is his technique, but not his .power, the kyuubi is narutos power because he mastered it, controls the power himself... Kabuto dont control the powdr of the edos.. The edos use their power they already had before they died...kabuto didnt use Nagatos Rinnegan, nagato used it himself... Kabuto just made him... Kabuto controls their mind and the edos to use their own power... if sakura summoned gambunta would she be as strong as him just because she summoned him, no she woukd be strong as her regular self.. just have the aid gamabunta... Same with kabuto

 

[ITS GEICO]

Edo tensei is his technique, but not his .power, the kyuubi is narutos power because he mastered it, controls the power himself... Kabuto dont control the powdr of the edos.. The edos use their power they already had before they died...kabuto didnt use Nagatos Rinnegan, nagato used it himself... Kabuto just made him... Kabuto controls their mind and the edos to use their own power... if sakura summoned gambunta would she be as strong as him just because she summoned him, no she woukd be strong as her regular self.. just have the aid gamabunta... Same with kabuto

This !

 

[Revengedace]

Sigh kabuto ****in sucks nuff said all these fan boyz going wild because tthey know that an edo army is not soloing shit kabuto is nothing but an orochimaru any day orochimaru for the ****in win -.-.!. FANBOYS

 

[shinobu sensui]

He actually solos everyone