Rikudou Tobi
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Wait, so if you agree that the swords are not doing anything, how does this answer my question?
Don't get Madara's logic
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Huh? I was talking about being far away. If Kurama is close he gets pummeled far easier.
The Tailed Beast Bomb only detonated against Wood Style: Wood Human because it made contact with the Susano'o sword. Otherwise, it wasn't going to explode. I don't know what you mean with Wood Style: Wood Dragon because it wasn't attempting to catch it nor would I expect it to since it's mouth is not as built for the job. If a hand attempts to grab a Tailed Beast Bomb, it will do so. If Madara didn't equip them with swords, Hashirama would have noticed and not attacked fully, but rather caught them. Obviously it is possible because as you've noted, the extra attacking power is negligible, leaving only the initial purpose standing for why it was used. It wasn't even possible to flee at that moment, because everything happened so fast, and the hands moved at least as fast as the Tailed Beast Bombs, which Kurama cannot possibly outperform. It's even given credence when after the impact, Kurama was caught by Hashirama from a distance, having no time to escape.
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Further distance would prove my point. Look at how Bee and Naruto jumped further away to whip their biju bomb. And kurama wouldn't get pummelled easier, he'd get caught in the blast of his own bomb if that happened. artifacts of the buddah was unable to get pass 11 so kurama remains unharm like he did int canob.
Not true, the bomb was going to detonate anyways it was just that Hashirama quickly tried to redirect the bomb to share the impact damage. Also Wood dragon was wrapped around wood golem when it first exploded so that's why I mentioned it in the first place. Anyways, you are giving Hashirama speed feats for what? The shinsu senjuu was absolutely the slowest jutsu Hashirama has, it's not fast at all. It took a whole panel for them to reach each other and considering the trail they left behind Kurama covered more
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than the veritable 1000 armed kanon. Classic meat head clash took such a long time that kurama was able to output 11 biju bombs simultaneously to outperform Artifacts of the buddah destroying all arm of the statue.So if Madara didn't charge in like he did at VOTE, he would've easily been able to move out of range since it took him that quick to get in range of shinsu senjuu before it can even strike.
It didn't increase the destructive power, it still remained mountain level just like a regular biju bomb.
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The sword its self got destruction power
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mixing with TBB just makes it stronger
Rikudou Tobi
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All it did was destroy a mountain, which every tailed beast can do without PS. I already said this in the op. It didn't make it stronger at all.
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This. Susanoo swords can sweep anything in its path but Shinsuusenju's broken size means relying more on just an avatar weapon. If he had Enton or lightning weapons he wouldn't need Kurama.
As the manga illustrate they aided in cutting through SS hands as the hands were capable of catching the bombs.
It also aided in their accuracy and speed if we basing it off physics of course
In the manga image above you see them cutting through multiple hands which would have either caught the bomb OR blew it up before reaching the target.
To sum it up though I think they were used to increase cutting power, accuracy and speed though more than destruction especially since their were 10,000 arms to get through
It also aided in their accuracy and speed if we basing it off physics of course
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In the manga image above you see them cutting through multiple hands which would have either caught the bomb OR blew it up before reaching the target.
To sum it up though I think they were used to increase cutting power, accuracy and speed though more than destruction especially since their were 10,000 arms to get through
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There's actually a 1,000 arms not 10,000 but besides the fact that Artifacts of the Buddha cannot catch biju bomb barrage because it's not an open palm and speed barrage causes instant detonation upon contact (example Bm naruto and Bee), you are insinuating that a ps sword is good enough a few arms during the launch.
If true, why not multiple ps swords and hold off on the biju bombs to save chakra?
Because Science and Logic:
1 Yes Biju Bomb can explode on impact but yo uwouldn't want them exploding in your face correct?
2) There were more arms than bijuu bombs so naturally without cutting power to get rid of the additional arms you could become overwhelmed
3) It was nine tails chakra not madara chakra so why not use bijuu bombs to help match the power.
4) Blade added to PS increased cutting velocity, speed(less air resistance), and more accuracy.
Perfect Susanoo alone could not produce enough force to cut ALL those arms so the Bijuu enhanced spin factor was enough to
compliment it.
5) Lastly with the swords attached to the bijuu bombs it forced Hashirama's SS to both try and overpower and deflect instead of just immediately overpowering.
If Madara did not add those swords then the SS hands would have easily out manuvered the TBB causing them to explode on impact infront of madara
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Madara was quite brilliant for doing this especially since the manga scan above CLEARLY illustrate his plan. Notice how there is literally 15-20 hands Per Bijuu bomb/PS sword. If he hadn't added that cutting power those hands could have easily pressure the kyuubi forcing the bomb to explode in madara/kurama face
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Rikudou Tobi
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You don't argue science and bias logic for anime/manga.
That's why I said mid range. Madara charging into shinsu senjuu head on was not logically. Why do you think I used Kurama and Bee as an example? They didn't have the bomb blow up in their face.
And a single biju bomb has more destructive power in a single arm. It takes 11 bombs to beat 1,000 of them as seen in the manga.
I don't think you know how summoning contracts work and the chakra it requires from the user. If all the biju bomb is strictly kurama's chakra then we'd seen kurama shoot two
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that would blow up shinsu senju with its artifacts of the buddah to pieces. But there's a reason why Madara wasn't able to produce a bomb that big. If a bomb is landing against a plunt object, it'll blow it up instead. But if you think that a Ps sword can cut threw well enough, then there's no point of using the bomb because it will not blow up because of its cutting velocity, speed(less air resistance) as you stated.
Which he didn't do
No, not when the artifacts of the buddha is punching the biju bomb, it would blow up immediately. Do you not think the biju bomb have inertia?
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Naruto and Bee got knocked away by the Ten-Tails. They didn't intentionally jump back. Yes, Kurama would get caught in his own attack, but that still proves my point that he'd lose easier. Also, many of the statue's hands were able to get past the Tailed Beast Bombs, which is why Susano'o was removed in the first place.
Nothing indicates it was going to explode before. It only started glowing after making contact with the sword. As far as I'm aware, Tailed Beast Bombs don't detonate based on time and certainly not so slow that Hashirama would be able to catch, pull back, and push forward again. Had Madara stayed back and attacked from range with no sword embedded in the Tailed Beast Bombs, they would just get caught and possibly thrown back.
I'm giving Hashirama speed feats because realistically Madara was not able to remove himself from that situation. Yes, the statue is slow, but the hands are not. Just like Kurama cannot travel as fast as a Tailed Beast Bomb, the statue is not faster than it's hands. I don't know why you mentioned the Tailed Beast Bombs because they were outputted so nearly simultaneously fast that 11 of them were able to be captured in one small panel, and certainly there's no reason to believe only eleven were made because not all 1,000 hands were shown in the opposite respective panel. If Kurama was fast enough to have escaped, especially at the end when neither were attacking, he'd have done so.
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You're right the ten tails knocked them back, but in no way possible will kurama get caught in his own
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since it didn't happen
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.Given the fact that the
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can tank the jyubi attacks, 11 bombs isn't going to kill kurama either but it's whatever there's susanoo.The hands got through because of the suanoo sword, it didn't take out all of the arms.
biju bombs explode against blunt force attacks, so shinsu senjuu attacking a bomb with a punch is not going to redirect the attack, it will literally explode. The only way it wouldn't explode is by putting a susanoo sword in the middle of it to propel itself further without exploding. So that sword was useless he should've just launched more bombs at the fists to blow up sooner preventing susanoo from being removed.
No, kurama was faster than hashirama's shinsu senju. You're being really unrealistic by making that claim. And if you're talking about Hashirama himself and not his jutsu, you're still wrong because Hashirama had more hands to capture the kyubi. After making that illogical decision Hashirama still had the hands of the statue itself and wood golem to release the kyubi. Madara doesn't have any jutsu besides susanoo to stop the kai release, and susanoo was just removed.
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Those hands are not fast enough if Madara was able to generate a biju bomb while putting swords in 11 bombs launching them before Hashirama's artifacts of the buddha was to reach the kyubi.
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.Also note that 11 biju bombs can destroy 11 mountains, realistically shinsu senju can't even destroy 11 mounatins so I'm being modest here. It's 11 bombs, don't assume there to be anymore especially when that doesn't help your speed feats case.
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Now you turn around to being completely stupid. I already understand the case he and many others made about shinsusenju catching the biju bomb and redirecting it back like mokujin did but you're too much of a retard to take time read and understand the op.