[VS] Donquixote Family vs Rev's

[ZoroXTashigi]

We've seen Kuma's mechanics withstand a pre-skip Luffy's Jet Pistol. A post-skip Jet Pistol with the invisible variant of Haki destroyed the entire mechanical structure of a Pacifista via a blow to the head. The mechanical structure of a Pacifista, at least the model we have seen so far of which Kuma is the same, cannot withstand a blow from current Luffy while he is using Gear 2. Compare that to Gladius, who took a Jet Stamp to the gut and was fine.

Kuma reacted to a pre-skip Luffy, who is exponentially weaker and slower than Doflamingo. Kuma reacting to and countering pre-skip Luffy does not mean he can counter Doflamingo.


Kuma called himself a Pacifista while in control. Prior to Marineford, Kuma wasn't a complete Pacifista only because he retained his consciousness. Every other modification was complete, meaning his mechanical structure was the same as the other Pacifistas at the time he was in control.

You have no idea that ordinary people were used, or that none of the Pacifista didn't have bodies like Kuma's. You also have no idea how strong Kuma's body was prior to the modifications to say that he was special or abnormally more durable in comparison to the others who were made into Pacifista. Even if Kuma's body was stronger, the mechanics are still the same. The mechanics are what Luffy broke and what exploded. Even though Kuma's body may be level 50 while the others were level 30, the mechanics are still the same level because they are the same modifications; a level not strong enough to withstand a simple Jet Pistol from Luffy with the invisible Haki equipped.

It obvious that Iva and Kuma have CoA, the same Iva that train Sanji how to use CoA, can't dent a pacifista, really? When Sanji one shot a pacifista after trained CoA with Iva. Iva also shown as one of 3 top dog under Dragon, and we know that Kuma also one of important figure of Revo. It's not far fetched if we assume Iva and Kuma's CoA not to far from youngster like Sabo, maybe even stronger.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It obvious that Iva and Kuma have CoA, the same Iva that train Sanji how to use CoA, can't dent a pacifista, really? When Sanji one shot a pacifista after trained CoA with Iva. Iva also shown as one of 3 top dog under Dragon, and we know that Kuma also one of important figure of Revo. It's not far fetched if we assume Iva and Kuma's CoA not to far from youngster like Sabo, maybe even stronger.

I was asking if we've actually seen Iva dent a Pacifista, as the post implied that we did.

That doesn't have anything to do with my post anyways, which is talking about the strength of his modifications.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

I was asking if we've actually seen Iva dent a Pacifista, as the post implied that we did.

That doesn't have anything to do with my post anyways, which is talking about the strength of his modifications.

Yes, even though all Kuma's modifications is as strong as other Pacifista, still shown he can withstand Iva's attack. It's better to assume the reason behind it, because Kuma use CoA on the same lvl as Iva or stronger.

 

[lelerskates]

Did he dent a Pacifista?


Kuma and a Pacifista have the same modifications. That alone is enough to assert that the durability is the same. Confirmation that they're the same isn't needed, confirmation that they're different is.

lol ive read a lot of your posts lately and youre just full of shit. You pick and choose what you want to believe try to push it onto others. the real kuma does not have the same durability as a pacifista. Youre the ONLY ONE who believes that pile of shit.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Kuma tanked Ivankov's attacks. He clearly has better durability then a Pacifista.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kuma tanked Ivankov's attacks. He clearly has better durability then a Pacifista.

But have we seen a Pacifista being destroyed by Iva? That is the only way you can draw this conclusion.

Also, even if Kuma's body is stronger, that doesn't mean the mechanics are. Luffy's punch damaged the mechanics, causing them to explode. A direct punch to Kuma would do the same.

lol ive read a lot of your posts lately and youre just full of shit. You pick and choose what you want to believe try to push it onto others. the real kuma does not have the same durability as a pacifista. Youre the ONLY ONE who believes that pile of shit.

The real Kuma IS a Pacifista. The only difference between them was that Kuma had paws and free will until his lobotomy. Kuma said he IS a Pacifista. You're saying I'm full of shit for saying a Pacifista has the same durability as a Pacifista.

Show me ONE thing that indicates Kuma's modifications were tougher than any other Pacifista's.

 

[ToshiZO]

Did he dent a Pacifista?

haha are you actually implying Ivankov won't be able to damage a pacifista much less one shot one?

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Kuma and Sabo on top of that Dragon... I love MINGO but his family cant win aha

 

[Punk Hazard]

haha are you actually implying Ivankov won't be able to damage a pacifista much less one shot one?

Ahh. When you lot said Iva failed to dent Kuma, so Pacifista are weaker, I assumed you were going by facts and scans. I see you're going by speculation.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ahh. When you lot said Iva failed to dent Kuma, so Pacifista are weaker, I assumed you were going by facts and scans. I see you're going by speculation.

obviously. This is near proof that Kuma is more durable...unless you think Ivankov is a complete fodder who wouldn't even be able to damage a Pacifista with multiple attacks while any of the M3 level characters can one shot a Pacifista. Mihawk hasn't shown haki but we don't need a confirmation for that its 1+1

 

[Punk Hazard]

obviously. This is near proof that Kuma is more durable...unless you think Ivankov is a complete fodder who wouldn't even be able to damage a Pacifista with multiple attacks while any of the M3 level characters can one shot a Pacifista. Mihawk hasn't shown haki but we don't need a confirmation for that its 1+1

There is zero evidence that Kuma's modifications were superior to any other models.

Iva is clearly weaker than the Monster Trio. He hasn't displayed anything impressive.

 

[ToshiZO]

There is zero evidence that Kuma's modifications were superior to any other models.

Iva is clearly weaker than the Monster Trio. He hasn't displayed anything impressive.

lmfaoo even if he is clearly weaker there is no way in hell he is so weak where he can't damage a Pacifista. The difference cannot be that big, he's survived attacks from the likes of Akainu and Magellan even making the latter bleed, his portrayal definitely puts him at a level where he can damage a pacifista. Heck Franky can probably take down a pacifista now, no way in hell Ivankov can't one shot a Pacifista but I'll let that slide, but its absolutely ridiculous to believe with multiple attacks he wouldn't be able to damage one much less take one down.

Like I said this is concrete evidence, you keep repeating the same thing when there is clear cut evidence right here in your face.

Ivankov could not damage Kuma........through powerscaling anyone in their right minds who knows how to read will tell you Ivankov is levels above a Pacifista.

Your claim is so ludicrous its like someone trying to argue Mihawk doesn't have haki cause it wasn't shown.

 

[Punk Hazard]

lmfaoo even if he is clearly weaker there is no way in hell he is so weak where he can't damage a Pacifista. The difference cannot be that big, he's survived attacks from the likes of Akainu and Magellan even making the latter bleed, his portrayal definitely puts him at a level where he can damage a pacifista. Heck Franky can probably take down a pacifista now, no way in hell Ivankov can't one shot a Pacifista but I'll let that slide, but its absolutely ridiculous to believe with multiple attacks he wouldn't be able to damage one much less take one down.

Like I said this is concrete evidence, you keep repeating the same thing when there is clear cut evidence right here in your face.

Ivankov could not damage Kuma........through powerscaling anyone in their right minds who knows how to read will tell you Ivankov is levels above a Pacifista.

Your claim is so ludicrous its like someone trying to argue Mihawk doesn't have haki cause it wasn't shown.

That is not concrete evidence. Concrete evidence would be him actually damaging a Pacifista to go along with him not being able to damage Kuma, the former of which does not exist. Iva isn't that strong.

 

[ToshiZO]

That is not concrete evidence. Concrete evidence would be him actually damaging a Pacifista to go along with him not being able to damage Kuma, the former of which does not exist. Iva isn't that strong.

Mihawk doesn't have haki then according to you. Sometimes you have to use logic...but I understand you wanna stick by your original argument, sometimes its ok to concede I notice you have a tough time doing that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mihawk doesn't have haki then according to you. Sometimes you have to use logic...but I understand you wanna stick by your original argument, sometimes its ok to concede I notice you have a tough time doing that.

Except there is concrete evidence Mihawk has Haki(he taught it to Zoro ). Iva has Haki too, but nothing suggests his is good enough to break a Pacifista and Iva is vastly underwhelming and overrated.

I'll concede when you provide actual concrete evidence.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except there is concrete evidence Mihawk has Haki(he taught it to Zoro ). Iva has Haki too, but nothing suggests his is good enough to break a Pacifista and Iva is vastly underwhelming and overrated.

I'll concede when you provide actual concrete evidence.

Nope not concrete evidence. Thats just speculation based on using something called logic. We need to see Mihawk actually using Haki himself before we can confirm he has it. Giving a few tips of Haki is not enough as he is featless when it comes to Haki.

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This is what you are doing right now.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nope not concrete evidence. Thats just speculation based on using something called logic. We need to see Mihawk actually using Haki himself before we can confirm he has it. Giving a few tips of Haki is not enough as he is featless when it comes to Haki.

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This is what you are doing right now.

Except it's not speculation. You cannot teach an ability you don't have. Learning Haki was also Zoro's first step in training, meaning Mihawk sees it as a vital stepping stone in being a swordsman, so it'd make no sense if he cannot use it. The fact that everyone who is worth their salt can use Busoshoku is another testament to this fact. Mihawk, being a Yonko-level character, is guaranteed to be one of the characters with Haki. The difference is there is zero evidence showing Mihawk has no Haki, and all the evidence showing he does. The same cannot apply to Iva. Iva hasn't demonstrated being able to break a Pacifista or anything suggesting he can. You have yet to show me anything suggesting he can.

 

[lelerskates]

Nope not concrete evidence. Thats just speculation based on using something called logic. We need to see Mihawk actually using Haki himself before we can confirm he has it. Giving a few tips of Haki is not enough as he is featless when it comes to Haki.

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This is what you are doing right now.

I would ignore Riker at this point. He's trolling. Iva is one of the top commanders in the Rev army and hes saying hes not strong... I loled. He also thinks Kumas durability is shit, as one of the top commanders in the Rev army. The lol-fest with this guy is too much.

 

[ToshiZO]

Except it's not speculation. You cannot teach an ability you don't have. Learning Haki was also Zoro's first step in training, meaning Mihawk sees it as a vital stepping stone in being a swordsman, so it'd make no sense if he cannot use it. The fact that everyone who is worth their salt can use Busoshoku is another testament to this fact. Mihawk, being a Yonko-level character, is guaranteed to be one of the characters with Haki. The difference is there is zero evidence showing Mihawk has no Haki, and all the evidence showing he does. The same cannot apply to Iva. Iva hasn't demonstrated being able to break a Pacifista or anything suggesting he can. You have yet to show me anything suggesting he can.

lol you are doing exactly what I was doing earlier using logic not a 100% confirmed feat, you are just doing 1+1 = 2 when it comes to Mihawk but not doing that when it comes to Ivankov. Now how does it feel if I replied with...

nope no feats = no evidence.

And So it makes sense to you that one of the M3's teachers, cannot damage a Pacifista in multiple attacks? All the evidence points towards Ivankov easily damaging a Pacifista using any sort of logic, but like I said you need to learn how to concede sometimes.

1.Luffy gets Rayleigh
2.Zoro gets Mihawk
3.Sanji gets some guy who cant even damage a pacifista? one of the top dogs of the revolutionaries cant damage a Pacifista? C'mon now there is no way you believe this but are too stubborn to actually concede.

I would ignore Riker at this point. He's trolling. Iva is one of the top commanders in the Rev army and hes saying hes not strong... I loled. He also thinks Kumas durability is shit, as one of the top commanders in the Rev army. The lol-fest with this guy is too much.

Problem with him is he never concedes in any argument...no matter what which is a bad habit.

 

[lelerskates]

Problem with him is he never concedes in any argument...no matter what which is a bad habit.

Sounds like one of those self proclaimed "know it alls"