[VS] Donquixote Family vs Enraged army

[chopstickchakra]

What does Cracker's real body have to do with it. That is not even up for discussion.

According to your definition Cracker 'tanked' 11 hours of Luffy and Doffy only 40 minutes. This is not a hard body contest it's a fight and you keep taking Crackers ability away in order to make him look weaker.

You can't say he was 1 hit knocked down because it took 11 hours and hundreds of hits.

That's not how that fight worked at all. The 11 hours was the start to the end, there wasn't 11 hours of G4 fighting. Luffy wasn't even in G4 much of the fight according to Cracker's explanation, "You run you eat you fight" The majority of the fight was Luffy eating biscuits. And unless Oda expands on the fight it only took one "hit" from a G4 "attack" which can't really even be compared to KKG seeing as it was a launching/cannonball style attack and the damage came primarily from the objects Cracker crashed into, all G4 did was throw him with ridiculous force.

 

[Love Cook]

That's not how that fight worked at all. The 11 hours was the start to the end, there wasn't 11 hours of G4 fighting. Luffy wasn't even in G4 much of the fight according to Cracker's explanation, "You run you eat you fight" The majority of the fight was Luffy eating biscuits. And unless Oda expands on the fight it only took one "hit" from a G4 "attack" which can't really even be compared to KKG seeing as it was a launching/cannonball style attack and the damage came primarily from the objects Cracker crashed into, all G4 did was throw him with ridiculous force.

What are you saying ? It's still a fight. Doesn't matter how you do it Cracker's ability was harder for Luffy to overcome than Doffy's ability. Besides I never said 11 hours of gear 4th, I said 11 hours of Luffy. Nice job reading on your part.

I don't care it wasn't 11 hours of G4 because apparently it had either no effect on Cracker or Luffy didn't have the stamina. Either way that is Cracker's accomplishment.

If only Akainu's fist wasn't made out of magma when he punched Ace, would've been a totally different fight right ?

 

[chopstickchakra]

What are you saying ? It's still a fight. Doesn't matter how you do it Cracker's ability was harder for Luffy to overcome than Doffy's ability. Besides I never said 11 hours of gear 4th, I said 11 hours of Luffy. Nice job reading on your part.

I don't care it wasn't 11 hours of G4 because apparently it had either no effect on Cracker or Luffy didn't have the stamina. Either way that is Cracker's accomplishment.

If only Akainu's fist wasn't made out of magma when he punched Ace, would've been a totally different fight right ?

You were comparing Cracker and Doffy's ability against G4 yet as far as we know Luffy didn't really use G4 against Cracker, not in the same regards he did against Doffy so you can't really compare the two.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If Cracker can let a non-G4 Luffy run around and eat his crackers for 11 hours, then that's bad portrayal for Cracker since he was unable to stop him tbvh. Luffy said G4 consumes calories and he was continuously taking in large amounts of calories throughout, so its probably he maintained Gear 4 for a large portion of it.

 

[OG sama]

If Cracker can let a non-G4 Luffy run around and eat his crackers for 11 hours, then that's bad portrayal for Cracker since he was unable to stop him tbvh. Luffy said G4 consumes calories and he was continuously taking in large amounts of calories throughout, so its probably he maintained Gear 4 for a large portion of it.

Its not bad portrayal when you realize Nami had to wet the clones in order for Luffy to eat them, also he used the Crackers he ate as fuel and Cracker kept them coming for about 11 hours and what's funny is cracker didn't even look all that fatigued. He had a little sweat on his face and that was it.

Oda had to give Cracker one of the most BS weaknesses in OP history to be defeated.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its not bad portrayal when you realize Nami had to wet the clones in order for Luffy to eat them, also he used the Crackers he ate as fuel and Cracker kept them coming for about 11 hours and what's funny is cracker didn't even look all that fatigued. He had a little sweat on his face and that was it.

Oda had to give Cracker one of the most BS weaknesses in OP history to be defeated.

It's bad portrayal if a G4-less Luffy could run around unstopped by Cracker. It's bad portrayal, especially in the context of Cracker vs Doflamingo, that Cracker couldn't catch Luffy using his mid-tier or possibly low-tier stuff. The point of me saying that was that that, plus the fact that G4 uses calories and Luffy had a continuous intake of calories, was that he probably spent most of it in G4. Read my posts properly before you respond.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Its not bad portrayal when you realize Nami had to wet the clones in order for Luffy to eat them, also he used the Crackers he ate as fuel and Cracker kept them coming for about 11 hours and what's funny is cracker didn't even look all that fatigued. He had a little sweat on his face and that was it.

Oda had to give Cracker one of the most BS weaknesses in OP history to be defeated.

It's bad portrayal if a G4-less Luffy could run around unstopped by Cracker. It's bad portrayal, especially in the context of Cracker vs Doflamingo, that Cracker couldn't catch Luffy using his mid-tier or possibly low-tier stuff. The point of me saying that was that that, plus the fact that G4 uses calories and Luffy had a continuous intake of calories, was that he probably spent most of it in G4. Read my posts properly before you respond.

If Luffy's body when we get back was any indication though he was taking more calories than he was burning and was getting fat. It seemed to me to be implying Luffy was outnumbered and couldn't fight as much so he ate and got fat. If he had been using G4 a lot through out most of the fight he shouldn't have really been that big.

 

[OG sama]

It's bad portrayal if a G4-less Luffy could run around unstopped by Cracker. It's bad portrayal, especially in the context of Cracker vs Doflamingo, that Cracker couldn't catch Luffy using his mid-tier or possibly low-tier stuff. The point of me saying that was that that, plus the fact that G4 uses calories and Luffy had a continuous intake of calories, was that he probably spent most of it in G4. Read my posts properly before you respond.

Except I did read your post... you just missed my point.

Nami was hard countering the clones with water, which Is why Luffy wasn't beaten or killed while G4 was inactive. She softened them up to the point where Luffy did not have to fight them, they got so weak from that BS rain that Luffy could eat them.

 

[OG sama]

If Luffy's body when we get back was any indication though he was taking more calories than he was burning and was getting fat. It seemed to me to be implying Luffy was outnumbered and couldn't fight as much so he ate and got fat. If he had been using G4 a lot through out most of the fight he shouldn't have really been that big.

Yeah I don't think he used G4 off screen, Namis BS rain was effective enough to weaken them to the point where he didn't have to, he just kept eating.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except I did read your post... you just missed my point.

Nami was hard countering the clones with water, which Is why Luffy wasn't beaten or killed while G4 was inactive. She softened them up to the point where Luffy did not have to fight them, they got so weak from that BS rain that Luffy could eat them.

Okay, but I'm talking about Cracker. Was he standing around not making any moves towards Luffy with his main body the entire time?

 

[Bogard]

The homies could change the forest directions. It most likely played a role. That plus the fact of Crackers ability being the perfect balance to Luffys stakina problems while using gear4. The fight, run, eat repeat seemed to imply as much

 

[OG sama]

Okay, but I'm talking about Cracker. Was he standing around not making any moves towards Luffy with his main body the entire time?

He kept relying on his clones for everything. Maybe he didn't want Luffy to pull a fast one on him. Realize how Cracker didn't engage Luffy on his own until he knew Luffy couldn't help his self, like when Luffy got fat as hell.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Big mom's army low-med difficulty. Only notable people on Doffy's side is Doffy himself, Pica, and maybe trebol.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Its not bad portrayal when you realize Nami had to wet the clones in order for Luffy to eat them, also he used the Crackers he ate as fuel and Cracker kept them coming for about 11 hours and what's funny is cracker didn't even look all that fatigued. He had a little sweat on his face and that was it.

Oda had to give Cracker one of the most BS weaknesses in OP history to be defeated.

U realize the fight went that long because Luffy was literally replenishing his reserves as he was eating lol? And cracker being to stupid did not realize that or at least realize nami ****ing his power up

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Big mom's army low-med difficulty. Only notable people on Doffy's side his Doffy himself, Pica, and maybe trebol.

Trebol is a fodder. He got low-diffed by a half-dead, one-armed Law that just used GK. Opera would easily solo Trebol.

 

[Bogard]

Trebol was just stupid. He fell easily for Law's chenanigens. Opera seems to have a similar ability but other than that we don't know much. He could be a glass canon for all we know. I find it interesting in knowing how the donquixote family compare to a yonko crew though

 

[ToshiZO]

We talking about the guy that got defeated by a detached arm?

Trebol is the very definition of a fodder. Anytime I mention fodder, know that I'm talking about the likes of Trebol.
Law's detached arm > Trebol.

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I'm ranking this thing > Trebol on a tier list.

 

[arv993]

Trebol was just stupid. He fell easily for Law's chenanigens. Opera seems to have a similar ability but other than that we don't know much. He could be a glass canon for all we know. I find it interesting in knowing how the donquixote family compare to a yonko crew though

That's not all of her crew but all they need is one more commander and it's a sure victory for them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Didn't Trebol get knocked out because he blew himself up? I'm pretty sure Law's Sterben wasn't what knocked him out.

 

[LBeezy]

Okay, but I'm talking about Cracker. Was he standing around not making any moves towards Luffy with his main body the entire time?

Probably this was the case.

A great reason for Oda to reveal Cracker "not liking pain"..