[VS] Donquixote Family vs Enraged army

Vandenre1ch · Nov 27, 2016

chopstickchakra said:
Their durability was a little over the place, a lot were taken out easy yet Machvise survived being hurled into Birdcage at a great speed and birdcage was supposed to be razor sharp cutting through stone as it touched it so if his body can survive that...

Also this thing about Cracker, we don't know that only G4 can break it, there's a wide gap between Gear 3 and 4 who's to say there's not a power level between the two gears which would be able to break the biscuits as well. For all we know Doffy's awakened strings(which are also unlimited) could break them as well. Doffy could make a black knight to attack Crackers main body and use his strings to take out the biscuits soldiers, possibly. What if Pica makes a Golem as big as in DR, you think a punch from something like that wouldn't have comparable force to G4 and wouldn't break a biscuit?

I wonder what would happen if Sugar touched a biscuit soldier? Would it also turn into a toy?

A biscuit soldier was undamaged by a G4 pistol. Despite being under the barrage & force of Luffy's G4 gatling, only the shields of the biscuit soldiers were being damaged and they still had the power to march forward. Both instances the soldiers weren't powered up by CoA.

Sugar was only shown turning organic beings into toys. The biscuit soldier aren't organic. They are just snacks so Sugar's power wouldn't work.

Your average OP character is alot tougher & more durable than stone. Arlong could crush a stone pillar with his hands. Luffy could smash stone pillars with his hands. Luffy punched Arlong numerous times and it didn't leave a scratch. Just an example.

I kind of doubt Doffy can break Cracker's armor. You need a combination of stronger haki+foce. Luffy said Cracker's CoA was stronger than anyone he's ever seen and that includes Doflamingo, who's haki matched Luffy's. It took G4, which has A LOT of force that even Doflamingo couldn't fully block to smash the armor.

Love Cook · Nov 27, 2016

All this sugar only has to touch people talk is so biased and viewed from one direction

What If I say Sugar get's put in a book, or Pica for that matter ?

You can spin it any way you want, if you don't look at the opposition.

Punk Hazard · Nov 27, 2016

Love Cook said:
All this sugar only has to touch people talk is so biased and viewed from one direction

What If I say Sugar get's put in a book, or Pica for that matter ?

You can spin it any way you want, if you don't look at the opposition.

We still don't know how that book ability works. From the way it looks, Luffy wasn't sent into a book, just some kind of illusion.

Our Lord Sasuke · Nov 27, 2016

Kingu said:
What does the position of a character have to do with this?

Because Yonko are above Shichibukai.

Punk Hazard · Nov 27, 2016

Our Lord Sasuke said:
Because Yonko are above Shichibukai.

Except one of the Shichibukai is on equal standing with a Yonko, and one of them even has better physical feats than an Admiral. Sooo

arv993 · Nov 27, 2016

Our Lord Sasuke said:
Because Yonko are above Shichibukai.

It's not the full strength of the yonko. Two sweet commanders and BM herself is out.

TRE MERCER · Nov 27, 2016

Our Lord Sasuke said:
Stop? We talk about a Yonko army not a Shichibukai

Yonko army that has 1 solid man that can even test Doflamingo. Cracker shield got busted open via King Kong DD regular body tanked King Kong. If DD attacks Cracker with his strongest attack that was matching Luffys Strongest Attack then Cracker gets cut to pieces. It take more blunt force to bypass durability than it takes Cutting force so DD bypass Cracker defense far easier than Luffy
Caesar can still poison and put down Majority of this army While Vergo shit stomps the rest of these guys. Pica is to deadly as well.

Love Cook · Nov 27, 2016

TRE MERCER said:
Yonko army that has 1 solid man that can even test Doflamingo. Cracker shield got busted open via King Kong DD regular body tanked King Kong. If DD attacks Cracker with his strongest attack that was matching Luffys Strongest Attack then Cracker gets cut to pieces. It take more blunt force to bypass durability than it takes Cutting force so DD bypass Cracker defense far easier than Luffy
Caesar can still poison and put down Majority of this army While Vergo shit stomps the rest of these guys. Pica is to deadly as well.

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Luffy's finisher on DD was King Kong gun. The only blows Doffy took were Kong gun, and I don't think he really tanked those. More like he survived those, he got tossed all over Dressrosa and was out of commission for a long time.

Portgas D Xatch · Nov 27, 2016

The cracker argument goes out the window if baby 5 can turn into a water gun...

Dęvîa Puęrî · Nov 27, 2016

Love Cook said:
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Luffy's finisher on DD was King Kong gun. The only blows Doffy took were Kong gun, and I don't think he really tanked those. More like he survived those, he got tossed all over Dressrosa and was out of commission for a long time.

He's not wrong Df body survived kkg (in addition to the rest of the hits he was taking while gear 4th was active)

And he def survived long gun or else bird cage would've let up earlier :|

I also want to note Dd took a gear 4 beating for at least 40 minutes cracker didn't he fought Luffy for long time but when he actually got hit he was done

If anyone has played kingdom hearts 2 basically cracker is dance water dance demnyx

Love Cook · Nov 27, 2016

Dęvîa Puęrî said:
He's not wrong Df body survived kkg (in addition to the rest of the hits he was taking while gear 4th was active)

And he def survived long gun or else bird cage would've let up earlier :|

I also want to note Dd took a gear 4 beating for at least 40 minutes cracker didn't he fought Luffy for long time but when he actually got hit he was done

If anyone has played kingdom hearts 2 basically cracker is dance water dance demnyx

You can't say that Doflamingo tanked it because Oda didn't decide to mutilate Doffy's body in a horrible way, Because in the end Cracker's real body also got hit with a gear fourth attack and he also isn't mashed into a paste.

If you want to compare something with the crackers, compare them with the string clone. They don't have by far the same capabilities as Crackers clones.

It's unfair to compare Doflamingo's real body to Crackers real body because Cracker's style relies much more on defense while Doflamnigo is a direct fighter. You can't take away his ability like that.

In the end what matters is that Doflamingo survived 40 minutes of Luffy and Cracker survived 11 hours, real body or not.

Taking an attack to the face and being stuck in a rock for minutes doesn't count as tanking. That is just a big fat ass whooping. Cracker against G4 Luffy outperformed Doffy on all terrains.

Strawhats vs Tekkai the first time counts as tanking.

TRE MERCER · Nov 27, 2016

Love Cook said:
Luffy's finisher on DD was King Kong gun. The only blows Doffy took were Kong gun, and I don't think he really tanked those. More like he survived those, he got tossed all over Dressrosa and was out of commission for a long time.

He did tank those it doesn't matter how far away he flew he was hit and got right back up. Doflamingo body tanked more impressive things that Crackers armor that alone should tell you something.

Portgas D Xatch said:
The cracker argument goes out the window if baby 5 can turn into a water gun...

Lol never though of this but i don't think it's possible since she's a df user and it would make her powers go moot. But any liquid would suffice.

Love Cook said:
You can't say that Doflamingo tanked it because Oda didn't decide to mutilate Doffy's body in a horrible way, Because in the end Cracker's real body also got hit with a gear fourth attack and he also isn't mashed into a paste.

He didn't have to be smashed to paste he was ko'ed instantly.

Love Cook · Nov 27, 2016

TRE MERCER said:
He did tank those it doesn't matter how far away he flew he was hit and got right back up. Doflamingo body tanked more impressive things that Crackers armor that alone should tell you something.

Lol never though of this but i don't think it's possible since she's a df user and it would make her powers go moot. But any liquid would suffice.

He didn't have to be smashed to paste he was ko'ed instantly.

Are you slow ?

You're mixing things up here. You're quoting my post as a reply to someone else post about tanking to make your point about the strength of an attack.

1) Kong gun is not the same as King Kong gun.
2) Doffy tanked neither a Kong gun or King Kong gun. He was struggling to fight back when Luffy was in G4 mode. Just because you were able to get back on your feet doesn't mean you tanked the blow.
3) Cracker survived 11 hours against Luffy and Doffy did for 40 minutes. So do the math about what you call instantly. There is a pretty big gap here.

He was stuck in here for a while repairing his organs. He was in there long enough for people to think the fight was over untill they still noticed the cage was up.

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If you fly over the island and you make a crater with your own body from the impact and you take your time to get out. You haven't tanked the blow.

This is tanking:
[video=youtube;MlUJt4KakWM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlUJt4KakWM[/video]

See how there is a little bit of a difference

TRE MERCER · Nov 28, 2016

Love Cook said:
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Put your scans in a spoiler or something you clown.

1- Doflamingo got up immediately after taking this[