[Discussion] Donquixote Family: All Paramecia!

[24 12 11 to troll]

Paramecia: Either become or create. Not both.

Logia: Create and become. Both.

Zoan: Animal

Trebol can become and create. End. Of. Story. Just means Logias aren't restricted to elements that naturally occur in nature, it was NEVER said Logias have to be something that naturally occurs, you made that up. Sticky substances are found all over the world in the wilderness regardless of human cause or action, so even by your standards, he can be a Logia. Stop trying to argue he's a Paramecia, you're just making yourself look bad.

He can stick himself back together which is different from becoming...

All Logias are naturally occurring. Look at them all. Slime is an Animal.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He can stick himself back together which is different from becoming...

All Logias are naturally occurring. Look at them all. Slime is an Animal.

How can he stick himself back together if he ISN'T the sticky substance itself? No one in the One Piece Universe, other than Logias, can survive being cut in half because that's instant death. If he was a Paramecia, and used the substance to cling his upper body to his lower body, they still wouldn't be connected, they'd be severed, all his organs would be spilling out and collapsing on each other, his spinal cord would still be severed, his flesh would still be severed in two, just stuck together.

Wanna fail again, or do you want to just concede?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I hope you've seen the last part of that post I just added...

Yup, I read it.
Although looks like no work is needed from me since Salad boy has this argument.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

How can he stick himself back together if he ISN'T the sticky substance itself? No one in the One Piece Universe, other than Logias, can survive being cut in half because that's instant death. If he was a Paramecia, and used the substance to cling his upper body to his lower body, they still wouldn't be connected, they'd be severed, all his organs would be spilling out and collapsing on each other, his spinal cord would still be severed, his flesh would still be severed in two, just stuck together.

Wanna fail again, or do you want to just concede?

Fail? Concede? Call it what you like, you just cannot comprehend my arguments and brush them aside because you know that you can't win.

Like I said earlier: f it weren't for a fruit which doesn't meet the classification criteria and is therefore a different type? Okay then. If Doflamingo can pull his tangible body (or his puppets body) back together with his strings then Trebol can pull his tangible body back together with his adhesive (specifically used for things like this) back together. Notice the word "Tangible".

It doesn't fit the description though. As "Sticky" isn't a substance. Nor is it a product of, or itself a force of Nature. There is a easily plausible explanation for how he is still alive after being sliced in two (as a Paramecia). He can "stick" himself back together. If he can stick things to him or people to him then surely he can stick himself back together, and considering it takes about 5,000 nuclear blasts from your balls to be killed in One Piece it's easily possible for Trebol to remain alive and function to stick himself back together.

Buggy can survive being cut in half. Hmmmmmmm suppose he's a Logia too, well that's just ****ing retarded. Because your argument is wrong.

His sticky substance holding his body together wouldn't just hold his skin together (somehow you think it's just the skin and not the entire surface which was cut). But his organs as well. His organs cannot spill out if they're stuck together or held in place. When body parts are reconnected etc. then they will heal much faster, stronger and more efficiently to make Trebol as good as new and in One Piece it doesn't seem to take long to heal either. So isn't a walking Puzzle like you seem to think.

Wanna fail again? Or do you want to just concede?

Yup, I read it.
Although looks like no work is needed from me since Salad boy has this argument.

Since Riker can't deny those pictures (and therefore hasn't responded to them) it's proof he can't provide evidence to show he hasn't just coated himself (which is what Trebol did. Fact. If his colorscheme hasn't changed then he is clearly a Paramecia, like Magellan).

 

[Punk Hazard]

Fail? Concede? Call it what you like, you just cannot comprehend my arguments and brush them aside because you know that you can't win.

Like I said earlier: f it weren't for a fruit which doesn't meet the classification criteria and is therefore a different type? Okay then. If Doflamingo can pull his tangible body (or his puppets body) back together with his strings then Trebol can pull his tangible body back together with his adhesive (specifically used for things like this) back together. Notice the word "Tangible".

It doesn't fit the description though. As "Sticky" isn't a substance. Nor is it a product of, or itself a force of Nature. There is a easily plausible explanation for how he is still alive after being sliced in two (as a Paramecia). He can "stick" himself back together. If he can stick things to him or people to him then surely he can stick himself back together, and considering it takes about 5,000 nuclear blasts from your balls to be killed in One Piece it's easily possible for Trebol to remain alive and function to stick himself back together.

Buggy can survive being cut in half. Hmmmmmmm suppose he's a Logia too, well that's just ****ing retarded. Because your argument is wrong.

His sticky substance holding his body together wouldn't just hold his skin together (somehow you think it's just the skin and not the entire surface which was cut). But his organs as well. His organs cannot spill out if they're stuck together or held in place. When body parts are reconnected etc. then they will heal much faster, stronger and more efficiently to make Trebol as good as new and in One Piece it doesn't seem to take long to heal either. So isn't a walking Puzzle like you seem to think.

Wanna fail again? Or do you want to just concede?

Since Riker can't deny those pictures (and therefore hasn't responded to them) it's proof he can't provide evidence to show he hasn't just coated himself (which is what Trebol did. Fact. If his colorscheme hasn't changed then he is clearly a Paramecia, like Magellan).

1. To your pictures, even when transformed into lightning, Enel's clothes kept their distinct appearance. Trebol's clothes not only did the same, but you can see the clothes he wears with the circle pattern changes shape into a slimy, globby shape. That shows his clothes weren't just coated, because if they were just coated, they wouldn't change shape like that. Meaning, his clothes were transformed, therefore, he's a Logia. Also, I love how you deduced his color scheme stayed the same in a panel that's BLACK AND WHITE.

2. Doflamingo never reattached a part of his body with his String. The String puppet was able to pull itself back together with String because it was MADE of String. It wasn't a human being to begin with, so it pulling itself back together says nothing for this case with Trebol.

3. Let's see if I explain this any simpler for you. Let's say Trebol is a Paramecia and his arm got cut off, like, all the way through, perfect round cut. He can use his substance to stick the arm back in place, but it doesn't mean the flesh fuses back together. The flesh, bone, and muscle that were cut apart remain apart, they are just touching each other. No, characters in the OP world DON'T heal at a rate that would allow for severed limbs to just heal by placing them back in place :| That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say in this section.

In order for Trebol to use his substance to stick his body back together and have the flesh fuse back together and have severed bone, muscle and flesh become one again, he would have to BE the substance, then transform back into flesh. That makes him a Logia

4. We touched on this already, Sticky isn't the substance, the substance is sticky. Jesus that shouldn't be so hard to understand.

5. Trebol clearly became and created his substance. What DF class does that?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Since Riker can't deny those pictures (and therefore hasn't responded to them) it's proof he can't provide evidence to show he hasn't just coated himself (which is what Trebol did. Fact. If his colorscheme hasn't changed then he is clearly a Paramecia, like Magellan).

No offence, but you are the one sounding like a broken record. I don't think you understand the amount of unsupport you have, i've gotten quite a bit of rep from this thread alone. We should just go by the majority vote.

What Salad is trying to say (I think) is that for Trebol to put himself back together he needs to produce more of his material, Buggy doesn't even compare, the guy levitates his body parts AND the main ability of his devil fruit is to survive being cut in two....that's what his devil fruit is, Trebols is becoming some sort of sticky substance.
And the colour thing, we have seen Trebol use his powers once in the anime....

 

[Sherlock.]

I was in doubt about Trebol's DF but since he survived being cut, he's a logia.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No offence, but you are the one sounding like a broken record. I don't think you understand the amount of unsupport you have, i've gotten quite a bit of rep from this thread alone. We should just go by the majority vote.

What Salad is trying to say (I think) is that for Trebol to put himself back together he needs to produce more of his material, Buggy doesn't even compare, the guy levitates his body parts AND the main ability of his devil fruit is to survive being cut in two....that's what his devil fruit is, Trebols is becoming some sort of sticky substance.
And the colour thing, we have seen Trebol use his powers once in the anime....

The reason why I sound like a broken record is because I have to repeat my points over and over again. This is because everyone has tried to (and failed to) refute my points (sadly you all come up with either factually incorrect information or stuff which: logically cannot and doesn't make sense). You've gotten quite a bit of rep? That's because people agree with you.

I've had rep from debates against a minority before, so it's really not a big deal... I know I stand alone. Which is the only reason why you're getting reps bro. The only reason. Going by the majority vote doesn't cut it! The majority of people on this forum are retarded. You know this as well as I do.

And producing more of this material would only make him a Paramecia as he would still be tangible if he needed to glue himself back together. So my point still stands totally unmoved.

I'm simply interpreting his statements and proving that his definition of a Logia is incorrect. Because his definition is incorrect and has loopholes it makes his points invalid.

Instead of summing up everything into one post on here I've done it over on Batoto: read it. It has everything there.

You must be registered for see links

(Why does rep even matter to you? It just puts you down to the same level as most of the people on the base)

 

[Dr Strangelove]

The reason why I sound like a broken record is because I have to repeat my points over and over again. This is because everyone has tried to (and failed to) refute my points (sadly you all come up with either factually incorrect information or stuff which: logically cannot and doesn't make sense). You've gotten quite a bit of rep? That's because people agree with you.

I've had rep from debates against a minority before, so it's really not a big deal... I know I stand alone. Which is the only reason why you're getting reps bro. The only reason. Going by the majority vote doesn't cut it! The majority of people on this forum are retarded. You know this as well as I do.

And producing more of this material would only make him a Paramecia as he would still be tangible if he needed to glue himself back together. So my point still stands totally unmoved.

I'm simply interpreting his statements and proving that his definition of a Logia is incorrect. Because his definition is incorrect and has loopholes it makes his points invalid.

Instead of summing up everything into one post on here I've done it over on Batoto: read it. It has everything there.

You must be registered for see links

(Why does rep even matter to you? It just puts you down to the same level as most of the people on the base)

You say nobody is giving stuff that makes sense yet you're the one saying a fruit where he can clearly create a substance and clearly become intangible isn't a logia....he is a logia, it's pretty much fact by now. Any normal person would say he is, except you have this theory you have stuck to for a while now which means if you agreed with us on this little thing it would prove to be wrong...even though we are giving you factual evidence from the manga....

Why is he tangible because he needs to put himself back together? When Kuzan was smashed into pieces by Newgate he needed to put himself back together also so...?

And the majority of this forum, is retarded.
However the majority of the One Piece section are well informed smart people, including yourself. However, us One Piece fans can be extremely ignorant to other things such as manga and theories.

And do I really seem like the kind of person who would care about what some kid on a forum who I will never meet thinks about what 'level' I am on :|

I also noticed you ignored to respond to Salads post and not mine, reason for that?

Also what's wrong with a majority vote? It shows more than half of the One Piece section seem to disagree with you.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You say nobody is giving stuff that makes sense yet you're the one saying a fruit where he can clearly create a substance and clearly become intangible isn't a logia....he is a logia, it's pretty much fact by now. Any normal person would say he is, except you have this theory you have stuck to for a while now which means if you agreed with us on this little thing it would prove to be wrong...even though we are giving you factual evidence from the manga....

He can't clearly become intangible. As there are other logical explanations for his survival. It also does not fit the classification criteria of a Logia Devil Fruit. You haven't given factual evidence from the manga. I'm the only person who has actually used hard evidence from the manga.

Why is he tangible because he needs to put himself back together? When Kuzan was smashed into pieces by Newgate he needed to put himself back together also so...?

He didn't need to put himself back together by excreting a sticky substance. There is a difference between regeneration (Logia) and healing/surgery.

And the majority of this forum, is retarded.
However the majority of the One Piece section are well informed smart people, including yourself. However, us One Piece fans can be extremely ignorant to other things such as manga and theories.

The majority of the OP section is the same as everywhere else on the base...

And do I really seem like the kind of person who would care about what some kid on a forum who I will never meet thinks about what 'level' I am on :|

I never said you were on a level. I was saying rep doesn't make you right, and if you rely on it then you need to set your priorities straight...

I also noticed you ignored to respond to Salads post and not mine, reason for that?

Also what's wrong with a majority vote? It shows more than half of the One Piece section seem to disagree with you.

What post? I'll have to look back.

Majority vote here is just as bad as the people here.

1. To your pictures, even when transformed into lightning, Enel's clothes kept their distinct appearance. Trebol's clothes not only did the same, but you can see the clothes he wears with the circle pattern changes shape into a slimy, globby shape. That shows his clothes weren't just coated, because if they were just coated, they wouldn't change shape like that. Meaning, his clothes were transformed, therefore, he's a Logia. Also, I love how you deduced his color scheme stayed the same in a panel that's BLACK AND WHITE.

Distinct appearance, but shading and color went out of the window. His skin and his clothing (like every other logia) was matching when he went into his elemental form. Trebols clothing did not change at all! The only thing that changed was the surface of it is covered in sticky goop. His skin, hair etc. and the different colors and shading when in his supposed "element form" remained identical. So it wasn't an element form but just a coating. His color scheme stayed the same because it was black and white and grey. In the anime it was shown to stay the same two. And Oda tells the animators the color schemes.

2. Doflamingo never reattached a part of his body with his String. The String puppet was able to pull itself back together with String because it was MADE of String. It wasn't a human being to begin with, so it pulling itself back together says nothing for this case with Trebol.

And Doflamingo still managed to demonstrate his power of reattachment. Correct?

3. Let's see if I explain this any simpler for you. Let's say Trebol is a Paramecia and his arm got cut off, like, all the way through, perfect round cut. He can use his substance to stick the arm back in place, but it doesn't mean the flesh fuses back together. The flesh, bone, and muscle that were cut apart remain apart, they are just touching each other. No, characters in the OP world DON'T heal at a rate that would allow for severed limbs to just heal by placing them back in place :| That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say in this section.

It would given the time. That's what happens when a tendon or muscle tears and we use pressure to bring the two (or more) parts together. It took Zoro one day to get over the pain Luffy felt. Luffy was kicked and punched shit tons by Mr 5 and healed after several explosions within the space of being off panel for a chapter. And rubber isn't even explosion resistant so you can't deny it. The monsters in OP heal incredibly fast.

In order for Trebol to use his substance to stick his body back together and have the flesh fuse back together and have severed bone, muscle and flesh become one again, he would have to BE the substance, then transform back into flesh. That makes him a Logia

No he wouldn't. I've already explained.

4. We touched on this already, Sticky isn't the substance, the substance is sticky. Jesus that shouldn't be so hard to understand.

I know. But we don't know what the substance is. It isn't specified. And thus it's like Magellans poison fruit. Or Luffy's rubber fruit. Different kinds of poison, different kinds of rubber, different sticky substances.

5. Trebol clearly became and created his substance. What DF class does that?

Paramecia or Logia. Moriah can become a shadow and assimilate shadows. That's an identical concept to Trebols Devil Fruit. And we don't know if he became this substance, because he coated himself in actual fact, and hauled his body back together.

Did I mention it would add to how creepy the character is? An almost zombie-like ability suits Trebol.

I will only admit I am wrong when Trebol or someone close to him states he is a Logia and the sticky substance is specified.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

He can't clearly become intangible. As there are other logical explanations for his survival. It also does not fit the classification criteria of a Logia Devil Fruit. You haven't given factual evidence from the manga. I'm the only person who has actually used hard evidence from the manga.


He didn't need to put himself back together by excreting a sticky substance. There is a difference between regeneration (Logia) and healing/surgery.


The majority of the OP section is the same as everywhere else on the base...


I never said you were on a level. I was saying rep doesn't make you right, and if you rely on it then you need to set your priorities straight...


What post? I'll have to look back.

Majority vote here is just as bad as the people here.

Correction, it does not fit your classification of a logia devil fruit. Go on, show me a manga panel that directly backs you up about the whole theory of yours, i've asked you about 5 times now to show me one and you overlook it every time.

You clearly saw him cut directly in half....there was a huge gap between the lower and upper half of his body. How on earth could he put himself back together without creating the substance? I feel like i've repeated myself a million times here, you are just going around in circles because like most of the time when you are proven wrong, you can't handle it. And I know for a fact the majority of this section already know that judging from the side messages I am getting on this rep.

And nah, there's a reason this section is the only one I post in any more.

And you kinda did, go back reread your post.
You should already know that rep is not on my check-list since you personally already know I have quite a hectic life U_U
I bring up rep to show you how many people are disagreeing with you, which is a sign you may be wrong. Accept you've been proven wrong please, this is just getting ridiculous now.

The only reason the majority vote would be bad is because the majority in fact disagree with you....

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Correction, it does not fit your classification of a logia devil fruit. Go on, show me a manga panel that directly backs you up about the whole theory of yours, i've asked you about 5 times now to show me one and you overlook it every time.

My classification is based upon Manga fact and evidence. It's the classification of a Logia. I've provided panels already proving Trebols colorscheme etc. They're already in this thread.

You clearly saw him cut directly in half....there was a huge gap between the lower and upper half of his body. How on earth could he put himself back together without creating the substance? I feel like i've repeated myself a million times here, you are just going around in circles because like most of the time when you are proven wrong, you can't handle it. And I know for a fact the majority of this section already know that judging from the side messages I am getting on this rep.

And? Oda likes to offpanel things. Him being able to do this would just add to the creepiness of the character.

Did I mention I now have rep too? From a well reputed member on this section. So if you're going to keep yapping about rep I suggest you stop because it's invalid now.

And nah, there's a reason this section is the only one I post in any more.

Because you like OP and Naruto sucks a$$ now.

And you kinda did, go back reread your post.
You should already know that rep is not on my check-list since you personally already know I have quite a hectic life U_U
I bring up rep to show you how many people are disagreeing with you, which is a sign you may be wrong. Accept you've been proven wrong please, this is just getting ridiculous now.
Numbers don't matter. It's like me telling you that I have more posts than you. It doesn't surmount to anything!

The only reason the majority vote would be bad is because the majority in fact disagree with you....

No. It's bad because like I said before the majority of people here are dimwits.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He can't clearly become intangible. As there are other logical explanations for his survival. It also does not fit the classification criteria of a Logia Devil Fruit. You haven't given factual evidence from the manga. I'm the only person who has actually used hard evidence from the manga.


He didn't need to put himself back together by excreting a sticky substance. There is a difference between regeneration (Logia) and healing/surgery.


The majority of the OP section is the same as everywhere else on the base...


I never said you were on a level. I was saying rep doesn't make you right, and if you rely on it then you need to set your priorities straight...


What post? I'll have to look back.

Majority vote here is just as bad as the people here.


Distinct appearance, but shading and color went out of the window. His skin and his clothing (like every other logia) was matching when he went into his elemental form. Trebols clothing did not change at all! The only thing that changed was the surface of it is covered in sticky goop. His skin, hair etc. and the different colors and shading when in his supposed "element form" remained identical. So it wasn't an element form but just a coating. His color scheme stayed the same because it was black and white and grey. In the anime it was shown to stay the same two. And Oda tells the animators the color schemes.


And Doflamingo still managed to demonstrate his power of reattachment. Correct?

It would given the time. That's what happens when a tendon or muscle tears and we use pressure to bring the two (or more) parts together. It took Zoro one day to get over the pain Luffy felt. Luffy was kicked and punched shit tons by Mr 5 and healed after several explosions within the space of being off panel for a chapter. And rubber isn't even explosion resistant so you can't deny it. The monsters in OP heal incredibly fast.


No he wouldn't. I've already explained.


I know. But we don't know what the substance is. It isn't specified. And thus it's like Magellans poison fruit. Or Luffy's rubber fruit. Different kinds of poison, different kinds of rubber, different sticky substances.


Paramecia or Logia. Moriah can become a shadow and assimilate shadows. That's an identical concept to Trebols Devil Fruit. And we don't know if he became this substance, because he coated himself in actual fact, and hauled his body back together.

Did I mention it would add to how creepy the character is? An almost zombie-like ability suits Trebol.

I will only admit I am wrong when Trebol or someone close to him states he is a Logia and the sticky substance is specified.

1. His clothes changed shape. Logia. And please, tell me how you are seeing a color scheme in a black and white panel

2. On a clone made of string. If the clone exists because of millions of strings intertwined, then of course the clone can do reattachment. Doffy has never shown the power of reattachment on anything close to a human being.

3. Wrong again. It was stated Zoro went into a coma after taking Luffy's pain, and during Kuma's separation of the Strawhats, it was commented that Zoro was still nowhere close to 100%. He had barely made any recovery. And getting punched and kicked IS NOT the same as having a body part severed. And no, that's not how tendons and muscles work, they don't reattach and fuse back together when they touch again. Are you completely ****ing stupid? Since when does a severed tendon or muscle in the OPverse reattach just by touching? If that was the case, then when Zoro tested his arm against the cursed blade or when he was about to hack off his feet to escape Mr. 3, he could have simply put the arm back in place like a puzzle and problem solved right? God, you are beyond ****ing stupid at this point.

4. That is not Moriah's power either. He doesn't become his shadow, he can change places with his shadow on either his entire body or specific parts. Another argument collapsed because of your faulty reasoning creating its base.

We're done here. Trebol is clearly a Logia, and only someone as brain dead as a ****ing doorknob would be unable to see that.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

My classification is based upon Manga fact and evidence. It's the classification of a Logia. I've provided panels already proving Trebols colorscheme etc. They're already in this thread.


And? Oda likes to offpanel things. Him being able to do this would just add to the creepiness of the character.

Did I mention I now have rep too? From a well reputed member on this section. So if you're going to keep yapping about rep I suggest you stop because it's invalid now.


Because you like OP and Naruto sucks a$$ now.

And you kinda did, go back reread your post.
You should already know that rep is not on my check-list since you personally already know I have quite a hectic life U_U
I bring up rep to show you how many people are disagreeing with you, which is a sign you may be wrong. Accept you've been proven wrong please, this is just getting ridiculous now.
Numbers don't matter. It's like me telling you that I have more posts than you. It doesn't surmount to anything!


No. It's bad because like I said before the majority of people here are dimwits.

Yet again, avoiding it. Can I see please a panel that backs up your theory on logias instead of you repeating over and over again it's based on manga without providing any actual proof? Cheers.

And that's a coincidence. Now he has off panelled it. Wow, yeah, in that case Oda also off panelled Trebol explaining his fruit is a logia. See how that logic is f*cking stupid.

Second, cool, I have got countless rep from countless members, still have the majority on my side so rep is still relevant.

Did I say it surmounted to anything? Once again I have to explain, it doesn't matter how much rep I get, I brought it up as proof that the majority are disagreeing with you.

Naruto is a good manga, just that the Naruto section of this forum has been ruined.

And lastly, nope, people in the One Piece section are smart. I don't see me or any other person here insulting your intelligence. I've admitted already you know your One Piece and I agree with you on many things, but one of your weaknesses is you can never take the fact that you are wrong and you drag on an argument.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

1. His clothes changed shape. Logia. And please, tell me how you are seeing a color scheme in a black and white panel

The anime. The anime. The anime.

His patterns and shading remained the same too.

2. On a clone made of string. If the clone exists because of millions of strings intertwined, then of course the clone can do reattachment. Doffy has never shown the power of reattachment on anything close to a human being.

I believe a clone is close to a human being

I struggle to imagine a puppet/replica of Doflamingo being entirely made out of strings. Even in One Piece.

3. Wrong again. It was stated Zoro went into a coma after taking Luffy's pain, and during Kuma's separation of the Strawhats, it was commented that Zoro was still nowhere close to 100%. He had barely made any recovery. And getting punched and kicked IS NOT the same as having a body part severed. And no, that's not how tendons and muscles work, they don't reattach and fuse back together when they touch again. Are you completely ****ing stupid? Since when does a severed tendon or muscle in the OPverse reattach just by touching? If that was the case, then when Zoro tested his arm against the cursed blade or when he was about to hack off his feet to escape Mr. 3, he could have simply put the arm back in place like a puzzle and problem solved right? God, you are beyond ****ing stupid at this point.

I don't remember that... can you provide panels please?

You clearly don't remember that every.single.impact. resulted in a powerful explosion from point blank range.

In the real world muscles do reattach. Tendons do reattach. This is called healing from sprains and strains my good friend... they just take longer in this world compared to One Piece (full of super humans and stuff). Why do you think that trained first aiders apply PRESSURE to bring two or more parts of an injury (in particular: muscular tears) TOGETHER?! You're clearly the one lacking medical understanding. Are you completely ****ing stupid?

I thought somebody as "smart" as you would realize that the adhesive wouldn't simply cause things to touch but to stick together, remain together and seal things together.

4. That is not Moriah's power either. He doesn't become his shadow, he can change places with his shadow on either his entire body or specific parts. Another argument collapsed because of your faulty reasoning creating its base.

That's pretty much the same thing.

We're done here. Trebol is clearly a Logia, and only someone as brain dead as a ****ing doorknob would be unable to see that.

One is too full of himself. One is too impatient. One is too hot blooded. One is too volatile. Someone as brain dead as a "****ing doorknob" wouldn't have a brain. Therefore wouldn't be able to type or read One Piece. So if you're going to try and bring me down to that level then I suppose you're as brain dead as me, if not worse.

Since when did insults become relevant? Those who bark loudest are least intelligent.

Yet again, avoiding it. Can I see please a panel that backs up your theory on logias instead of you repeating over and over again it's based on manga without providing any actual proof? Cheers.

So now I'm having to show you a panel to prove every type of Logia fruit has a specified element? Geez man... Have you not been reading One Piece at all?

And that's a coincidence. Now he has off panelled it. Wow, yeah, in that case Oda also off panelled Trebol explaining his fruit is a logia. See how that logic is f*cking stupid.

No: it just means there are still things to be explained. Don't jump to conclusions.
Second, cool, I have got countless rep from countless members, still have the majority on my side so rep is still relevant.

Did I say it surmounted to anything? Once again I have to explain, it doesn't matter how much rep I get, I brought it up as proof that the majority are disagreeing with you.

The fact you first mentioned it indicates that you think rep does. And I already know the majority disagrees with me. A handful actually agree, as it turns out. If you think I'm too stupid to realize this then you clearly lack the intelligence to perceive an argument, process it and counter it with any relevant information.

Naruto is a good manga, just that the Naruto section of this forum has been ruined.

Naruto is so good that it's had 5 final villains! All of them coming out from nowhere with no foreshadowing at all! Woop! So good! 11/10 would bang Nardo.

And lastly, nope, people in the One Piece section are smart. I don't see me or any other person here insulting your intelligence. I've admitted already you know your One Piece and I agree with you on many things, but one of your weaknesses is you can never take the fact that you are wrong and you drag on an argument.

Tell that to Riker Salad...

 

[Punk Hazard]

The anime. The anime. The anime.

His patterns and shading remained the same too.


I believe a clone is close to a human being

I struggle to imagine a puppet/replica of Doflamingo being entirely made out of strings. Even in One Piece.


I don't remember that... can you provide panels please?

You clearly don't remember that every.single.impact. resulted in a powerful explosion from point blank range.

In the real world muscles do reattach. Tendons do reattach. This is called healing from sprains and strains my good friend... they just take longer in this world compared to One Piece (full of super humans and stuff). Why do you think that trained first aiders apply PRESSURE to bring two or more parts of an injury (in particular: muscular tears) TOGETHER?! You're clearly the one lacking medical understanding. Are you completely ****ing stupid?

I thought somebody as "smart" as you would realize that the adhesive wouldn't simply cause things to touch but to stick together, remain together and seal things together.


That's pretty much the same thing.


One is too full of himself. One is too impatient. One is too hot blooded. One is too volatile. Someone as brain dead as a "****ing doorknob" wouldn't have a brain. Therefore wouldn't be able to type or read One Piece. So if you're going to try and bring me down to that level then I suppose you're as brain dead as me, if not worse.

Since when did insults become relevant? Those who bark loudest are least intelligent.


So now I'm having to show you a panel to prove every type of Logia fruit has a specified element? Geez man... Have you not been reading One Piece at all?


No: it just means there are still things to be explained. Don't jump to conclusions.
Second, cool, I have got countless rep from countless members, still have the majority on my side so rep is still relevant.


The fact you first mentioned it indicates that you think rep does. And I already know the majority disagrees with me. A handful actually agree, as it turns out. If you think I'm too stupid to realize this then you clearly lack the intelligence to perceive an argument, process it and counter it with any relevant information.


Naruto is so good that it's had 5 final villains! All of them coming out from nowhere with no foreshadowing at all! Woop! So good! 11/10 would bang Nardo.


Tell that to Riker Salad...

1. You still cannot deny the fact that his clothes changed from their original shape. That means the clothes were transformed, so he is a Logia.

2. Oh you think the clone wasn't made out of string?

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Another one of your points utterly defeated. You can't even counter this, you can clearly see the clone turning back into string and being launched into the air.

3. You still don't understand do you? A torn tendon or muscle can heal, yes. But when a muscle or tendon is completely separated, like when a body part is severed from the rest of the body, the muscles and tendons cannot be rejoined by simply placing them back together. If that was the case, any amputee can get his limbs back by a doctor or machine simply holding the severed part in place for a while. Once a muscle or tendon is separated completely, that's it. Just sticking them back together won't have any healing properties. If Trebol somehow survived being severed in half, something no one in the OP verse have been shown to be able to do unless they were a Logia(hint hint), sticking his upper half onto his lower half wouldn't rejoin then.

And to needing a panel for me saying Zoro wasn't healed:

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5. Look at this panel:

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His clothes are clearly shown to not just be covered in the substance, but to be dripping off into the substance itself, the clothes and his beard are deformed and droopy because they are turned into the substance.

6. No, replacing and transforming into something are not the same thing.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

1. You still cannot deny the fact that his clothes changed from their original shape. That means the clothes were transformed, so he is a Logia.

Before I start I'd like to say that you can't read. You keep skipping key phrases and words which is what causes you to refute points I didn't wholly make.

What if the sticky substance coating his clothing causes the clothes to follow the shape of the substance? So when it's stuck to the ceiling so are his clothes. That's the entire concept of Trebol sticking to walls.

2. Oh you think the clone wasn't made out of string?

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Another one of your points utterly defeated. You can't even counter this, you can clearly see the clone turning back into string and being launched into the air.

I said ENTIRELY made out of string... Damn dude... clearly can't read for shit. The clone wasn't launched into the air. String was propelled from the head...

3. You still don't understand do you? A torn tendon or muscle can heal, yes. But when a muscle or tendon is completely separated, like when a body part is severed from the rest of the body, the muscles and tendons cannot be rejoined by simply placing them back together. If that was the case, any amputee can get his limbs back by a doctor or machine simply holding the severed part in place for a while. Once a muscle or tendon is separated completely, that's it. Just sticking them back together won't have any healing properties. If Trebol somehow survived being severed in half, something no one in the OP verse have been shown to be able to do unless they were a Logia(hint hint), sticking his upper half onto his lower half wouldn't rejoin then.

You place them back together and leave them there for a period of time which depends on the severity of the damage. So basically my point still stands, correct?

You know that doctors can keep body parts alive by stitching them to your body, right? Then it can be removed and put back into place later. It's pretty commonly used in Asia. Mainly China, Japan and South Korea.

And to needing a panel for me saying Zoro wasn't healed:

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Muchas gracias. Still can't debunk my point about Mr 5 and Luffy on Little Garden though

5. Look at this panel:

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His clothes are clearly shown to not just be covered in the substance, but to be dripping off into the substance itself, the clothes and his beard are deformed and droopy because they are turned into the substance.

Or simply the coating is dripping off of his clothes. His beard is untamed. Does Trebol look hygienic to you? He's basically covered in snot.

6. No, replacing and transforming into something are not the same thing.

Moriah didn't replace... He used a Doppelganger. Basically meaning he split his body to become a shadow and tangible at the same time. So my point still stands.

 

[VongolaX]

I think Lao G and Dellinger are typical foot fighters w/o devil fruit

 

[Itachi Minato]

Lol this debate is raging. Just calm down guys. Both are equally plausible im but leaning slightly towards logia. Until Oda says it nobody can be 100%. Anyway good point I never noticed that. I see how you actually changed the font size. lol

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Lol this debate is raging. Just calm down guys. Both are equally plausible im but leaning slightly towards logia. Until Oda says it nobody can be 100%. Anyway good point I never noticed that. I see how you actually changed the font size. lol

I find myself having to change things to max size quite a lot these days... :|