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Yes so he doesn't want to fight kaido because he knows he wouldn't win and doesn't want to die, that's basically being scared of fighting kaido and that's in his character... Croc is just fearless
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No it's not. I wouldn't fight Kimbo Slice because I know he'd definitely win and I don't want to be beaten up. That doesn't mean I'm scared of him. Doffy will go the course of action that results in him and Kaido not fighting, but that doesn't mean that if it goes out of his hands and a fight is inevitable that he won't still fight.
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It does mean that..... You're not making sense... If your fear someones power and your fear engaging them in a fight you are showing fear...
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Not wanting to engage in something does not mean you are scared of it. If I don't want to go to work, does that mean I'm scared of work? If I don't want to go to McDonald's, does that mean I am scared of their food? No, it simply means it's not something I want to happen. A fight is the same, Doffy not wanting to have to fight Kaido doesn't mean he's scared of Kaido. Mihawk didn't want to engage Shanks, doesn't make Mihawk scared of Shanks.
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But Doffy doesn't want to engage him because he fears dying right?? In the other cases it might not be fear but it clearly is in doffys case and the other stuff you wrote are completely irrelevant and make no sense to this post. You keep ignoring the point he doesn't want to fight kaido because he FEARS dying from his hands. That is clearly shown in the manga
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I wonder what it will take to realize not wanting something to happen is not necessarily the same as fear of it happening. Doffy hasn't shown fear at having to fight Kaido, he was even able to tell Law in a casual manner that Kaido is capable of killing him twice, showing that it's a concept he is comfortable with.
The closest Doffy came to showing fear of dying with Kaido was on the boat when he got pissed that Law blackmailed him, but that wasn't even out of his fear of being killed by Kaido, but because being looked down upon by people weaker than him is what he resents the most due to his background; and that's exactly what Law was doing at the moment.
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So you're saying doffy isn't scared of fighting kaido but he just doesn't want too? And answer this question, Do you think that doflamingo doesn't fear kaido killing him?
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No, I don't think Doffy is scared of Kaido, nor is he scared of Kaido killing him, I think it's something he doesn't want to happen because he prefers life over death.
You do know that there are many people who are opposed to death not because they fear it, but simply because they enjoy being alive and don't see themselves as ready to die yet, right? Doffy is just one of those people.
In case of kaido,it's clear as day that he's scared to fight him head on. If you avoid battle because you know that you'd lose then it means that you are scared of losing to that guy. It's the same for Joker in case of Kaido. Mihawk's reasons to avoid battle against Shanks are different, he doesn't want to fight him because it's against his morals not because he know that he'd lose or die where as Joker is trying to avoid the battle because he knew that he'd lose means that he's scared of getting killed by Kaido.
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No it doesn't, it just means you'd prefer to live than to die. Opposition to something does not mean fear of it; fear is a very specific set of feelings and Doffy has exhibited no signs of feeling fear towards Kaido. Until Doffy:
-sweats
-Pants
-makes irrational decisions
-panics
-has worried expressions on his face
as a response to fighting Kaido, then he hasn't shown fear, just opposition. Fear is a form of opposition, not all opposition is fear. I really don't know how I could make this any clearer.
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I can name plenty of one piece characters who would fight kaido head on knowing they'd lose ... Doffy is basically scared of engaging him head on because he knows what the outcome would be.. Theres different cases of people not wanting to fight people but in doffys case he fears engaging kaido... there are people who know of kaido strength who wouldn't back down at all from kaido
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Okay? You can be scared of someone and still engage them. Look at Usopp, he was scared absolutely shitless of Lucci and still taunting him and trying to get him to come fight him to save Luffy. Engaging someone does not mean a lack of fear, and not engaging does not mean the presence of fear. This is such a simple concept, but I suppose not everything is so grasped as easily as it embodies.
He knows what the outcome will be, and he prefers it so that outcome doesn't happen. Therefore, he chooses to do what leads to the outcome he prefers. Doffy isn't scared of dying, he just isn't ready to die yet, so he does what he can to prevent it. Doffy even stated to Riku that the WG doesn't know what to do with him because he does not fear the Tenryuubito, but he still does what he can(i.e., blackmail) to ensure they don't kill(or try to kill)him.
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But in doffys case he's ducking kaido. I get what you're saying about fear isn't the same thing as not wanting something to happen.. But it doffys case it's fear. Again I will say this people who are weaker than doffy and being in his position right now would fight kaido head on even "if they didn't want it to happen" let's just agree to disagree on this
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He can't duck Kaido until Kaido actually comes after him, and he hasn't. Doffy has shown no signs of fear, you're just going with "It's fear because I want to be right." Show me one panel showing one sign of Doffy having fear directly towards Kaido. Not rage towards Law, but actual fear towards Kaido. I'll wait.
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Obviously mad at Law. Doffy stated that being disrespected/looked down upon is what he resents most, and that's why he was losing his cool here. It obviously wasn't the idea of being killed by Kaido making him lose his composure because later on, he casually talked about Kaido killing him, twice. Buffalo and Baby 5 also commented that his face was turning red, a sign of rage, not fear.
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I think oda made it clear that doffy fears him by making doffy show that face right when he mentions kaido and also making law say he's not an understandable guy (which shows that law believes Doffy fears engaging kaido) honestly I've showed you enough proof you just don't want to be proven wrong and keep sticking to saying doffy is mad at law when it's clear he made that face after hearing kaido...
Ps you could clearly see by doffys facial expression that's its fear not anger... I'm done here belive what you want and I'll believe what I see
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This page pretty much shows that what Doffy was feeling throughout this conversation was indeed anger, and not fear.
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That page is simply where Doffy's anger began, and it escalated as the conversation carried on. You still haven't shown me a panel of him being scared.