[Discussion] Donquixote Doflamingo; Not As Great As You Think

[Punk Hazard]

Didn't Law just admit this chapter that Luffy is the best in the Worst Generation(excluding BB of course)?

No he didn't.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No he didn't.

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At the bottom of the page. In this case worst means best, but it is possible that I might have interpreted it wrong.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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At the bottom of the page. In this case worst means best, but it is possible that I might have interpreted it wrong.

You did interpret it wrong. There's nothing there that indicates worst means best, Law simply said something, and Luffy made a pun.

 

[Bogard]

Law did meant Luffy was the best, but it wasn't a way to imply Luffy was stronger. He was just congratulating him for making things working according to plan and Luffy made the pun about the worse generation by saying he is part of it as well

 

[Punk Hazard]

Law did meant Luffy was the best, but it wasn't a way to imply Luffy was stronger. He was just congratulating him for making things working according to plan and Luffy made the pun about the worse generation by saying he is part of it as well

What contextual clue led to Law meaning Luffy is the best? He's expressed on numerous occassions that Luffy has sent his blood pressure spiraling(I knew I shouldn't have trusted you/I'll wring your neck when I get out of these cuffs), he could have simply meant "Luffy you're shit man", and said it here because he may think that he can finally relax a bit to make a quip since their plan worked.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

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At the bottom of the page. In this case worst means best, but it is possible that I might have interpreted it wrong.

Nothing about that page has Law implying that Luffy is the best. Law used "the worst" as an insult.

You sound like Law nailed a relevant attack on Doffy. He made an insignificant scratch, you're hyping it beyond what it really is at this point.

I disagree that Luffy would push Doflamingo higher than Law would, as I believe Law edges ahead of Luffy, so we shouldn't assess Doffy's power by comparing their individual capabilities against him, as that'd just start a whole new argument.

Yeah lets not start a new argument.

All Law did was scratch Doflamingo but what I'm saying is that an injured Law managed to do that. That means a healthy Law would've had a much better performance.

 

[xanonymosx]

just one red hawk and evry body forget who you are

fight is not over dofla didnt see that comin but he will start smackin them i think he will go after law if he eliminates law he wont have much of troubles

 

[Ridoku X]

Doffy is one of the characters I really like so I am still biased

But I have to agree with some things. Even though I believe we'll soon see Doflamingo in an all out state and I hope we get somehow redeemed. So far he has only been joking around not taking things seriously. He even stated(and acknowledged) at the past that many people underestimated the SHs and got their asses handed to them, yet this is what he's been freakin' doing the whole time !

You are right about all the hype and build up Doffy had received but that's exactly the reason why we want and should get justified. I personally want Doflamingo to go all out and show his true potential. No laughing it off, not goofing around. v_v

Only then will we be able to see Donquixote Doflamingo's true colours. So I am looking forward to it, hoping that this happens. Otherwise, and atm I think it's still early to judge him. Yes he is human afterall but that was just a hit landed on him. And the first one actually besides that little scratch done by Law. If anything Doffy should get serious now for one time and start wreckin' some...ehm... "Excrement" let's say

 

[TheHokage]

1- Sanji's meal brought everyone back at full power. Smoker was at 100%

2- Sanji only received small and superficial injuries against Viola when he is a superhuman fighter. It wouldn't have made any difference in the fight against Doflamingo

3- The only one i agree with is against Law and eventhen Law's room ability(influencing his stamina) had close to no impact in the battle considering Doflamingo defeated him with superior combat ability

4- Narutobase members are just noob. Ever since i realised Doffy was an arc villain, i never put him far above the likes of Law/Luffy/Zoro, so it's not surprising to me that in combo, they can pressure him

5- Latest chapter prove nothing however. Doflamingo just underestimated them

1) Lol no he wasn't food doesn't heal broken bones or Haki hits to the chest yes Sanji's meal speeds up recovery but it doesn't heal someone otherwise what would be the point of having Chopper in the crew not to mention Oda wouldn't have showed Smoker with coverings on his face if Smoker wasn't fully healed the point of Smoker having those on his face was clearly to show he was injured. Not to mention Smoker was fighting without his Jitte. Smoker was at about 60% at most with his confrontation with Doflamingo.

2) Sanji was at a disadvantage from the start he knew nothing of Doflamingo's power.

3) Agreed.

4) Never put him 'far' above the likes of Luffy/Law/Zoro? Please Doflamingo would mid diff Zoro. It's taking the combination of Luffy and Law with pre-thought out plan to take him down. Dolfamingo > Law >= Luffy > Zoro.

5) Latest chapter showed a lot actually. It showed us Luffy isn't able to solo Doflamingo it showed us that for Luffy to beat Doflamingo it's going to take Law's haxxed DF ability.

 

[Bogard]

1) Lol no he wasn't food doesn't heal broken bones or Haki hits to the chest yes Sanji's meal speeds up recovery but it doesn't heal someone otherwise what would be the point of having Chopper in the crew not to mention Oda wouldn't have showed Smoker with coverings on his face if Smoker wasn't fully healed the point of Smoker having those on his face was clearly to show he was injured. Not to mention Smoker was fighting without his Jitte. Smoker was at about 60% at most with his confrontation with Doflamingo.

2) Sanji was at a disadvantage from the start he knew nothing of Doflamingo's power.

3) Agreed.

4) Never put him 'far' above the likes of Luffy/Law/Zoro? Please Doflamingo would mid diff Zoro. It's taking the combination of Luffy and Law with pre-thought out plan to take him down. Dolfamingo > Law >= Luffy > Zoro.

5) Latest chapter showed a lot actually. It showed us Luffy isn't able to solo Doflamingo it showed us that for Luffy to beat Doflamingo it's going to take Law's haxxed DF ability.

1) Well besides the plaster right under the eye, he didn't seem that injured to me

2) Sure, but Doflamingo took advantage on him easy even before parasite, to the point he left and challenged him to know if he can save his crew or not

4) I'm not denying this. I think he can mid-high diff Zoro and high diff Luffy or Law in 1 on 1, but what i meant by "far above" was referring to people who originally thought Doffy could no or low diff them(some people even originally thought he could defeat the strawhat+Law alliance by himself when he went on his own to punk hazard). What i meant is that they can still put up fights against him 1 on 1 before being defeated

5) Agreed, but i was actually defending Doflamingo here

 

[TheHokage]

1) Well besides the plaster right under the eye, he didn't seem that injured to me

2) Sure, but Doflamingo took advantage on him easy even before parasite, to the point he left and challenged him to know if he can save his crew or not

4) I'm not denying this. I think he can mid-high diff Zoro and high diff Luffy or Law in 1 on 1, but what i meant by "far above" was referring to people who originally thought Doffy could no or low diff them(some people even originally thought he could defeat the strawhat+Law alliance by himself when he went on his own to punk hazard). What i meant is that they can still put up fights against him 1 on 1 before being defeated

5) Agreed, but i was actually defending Doflamingo here

1) Well the plaster to me is to show Smoker was not at 100% it's Oda's way of implying that character is still injured for example after the fight with Lucci Luffy was still shown having plasters on in Water 7 which indicated he was still suffering from the effects of the last fight with Lucci. To be honest though the injuries Smoker would have got would be more internal look at it this way one none CoA was enough to crack Sanji's leg Smoker took a full Haki blow to the chest. We've seen how much damage a Vergo can do with his Haki bamboo he knocked Law out in 1 hit.

2) Yeah I agree Doflamingo did play with Sanji however what I mean if for example Zoro or even Luffy were put in the same shoes as Sanji the fights wouldn't have been that much different. I think Doflamingo could low borderline mid diff both Sanji and Zoro and would mid diff Luffy in 1 v 1.

3) I don't think Dolfamingo could beat Law+Luffy however Doflamingo could mid diff both in a 1 v 1 situation. I've been saying right from the start it will be Luffy+Law that will beat Doflamingo while a lot of people have been claiming Luffy is at the level to solo him.

4) Ah I know I just wanted to further emphasize how this new chapter despite ending with Doflamingo with a red hawk in his gut it shows just how strong he is when it takes the combination of Law's haxxed power and pre-prepared strategy to land 1 hit.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I think you're over thinking the whole Oda leaving hints thing tbh.

I still think Doflamingo is a level above Luffy and Law U__U

 

[Ridoku X]

I think you're over thinking the whole Oda leaving hints thing tbh.

I still think Doflamingo is a level above Luffy and Law U__U

Pffft he better be. v_v

Else it would be a huge downgrade for Doffy. That's why it shouldbe 2vs1 and not Luffy vs Doffy straight on.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Pffft he better be. v_v

Else it would be a huge downgrade for Doffy. That's why it shouldbe 2vs1 and not Luffy vs Doffy straight on.

Imo he's weaker than Sabo but a level above Luffy U__U

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Pffft he better be. v_v

Else it would be a huge downgrade for Doffy. That's why it shouldbe 2vs1 and not Luffy vs Doffy straight on.

Imo he's weaker than Sabo but a level above Luffy U__U

Slow down guys. I made this thread before I read the last chapter.

I always said Doffy>Luffy and Law in a 1v1, but would have high difficulty with either of them. Doffy can't handle both of them together which is why I think Trebol is there.

 

[Ridoku X]

Oh well...I still believe that Doffy is around Sabo's level. They both seem to be low Admiral level as of now. v_v

 

[juju15]

Doffy isn't a admiral level and he can't beat a healthy Luffy and Law which is why was weaken ed before the fight. He can beat them 1v1 through. They already weakened Doffy by hitting him with one of Luffy most powerful attacks with teamwork. Luffy can't say he beat him by himself.

 

[WhistleBlower]

I agree .

i love threads like these

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I still think doffy is bear-admiral lvl that is he is at the far right of the that chasm that is there twn admiral and v.admiral, with Law n Luffy in the sme plave as him though a few tiny steps btwn them.

Doffy is powerful but not at a lvl of admiral and even as a near admiral he is for me below the likes of Marco(i gotta agree though his perfomance at MF and how Marco n the commanders faced hardships did make it seem as though Doffy was a peg above them though his schemish with Kuzan in PH set the record straight i guess).

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Slow down guys. I made this thread before I read the last chapter.

I always said Doffy>Luffy and Law in a 1v1, but would have high difficulty with either of them. Doffy can't handle both of them together which is why I think Trebol is there.

Trebol got one shotted though, like i've been saying for months.
You really think in a 1 on 1 Law or Luffy could push Doflamingo to high diff...?
I used to think that until how casually the real Doflamingo handled Luffy in the palace.
What's stopping him from creating a clone and doing exactly the same in a 1 on 1?