Lightbringer
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Yeah for real. He even partied during the Vietnam war and avoided the draft because of his Ivy League degree.
Donald Trump vs Bernie Sanders
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slimreaper
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Lightbringer
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Using memes as a mathematical and political argument........and you wonder why no one takes you seriously? lol
It's no surprise that I was right in my assessment of you not being able to reflect on your flawed logic.
Like I constantly keep saying. You just live in a bubble and the only truth is whatever you make it, regardless of how untrue it is.
sanders is a socialist in plain sight, trump is a raunchy business man
while i enjoy sanders' more diplomatic approach on foreign policy other stances he carries i could care less for, really. sanders health care stance is utter hogwash though i do share his stance on the death penalty, etc etc. trump's stance on national security isn't necessarily one of my favorites, either. it's really not hard to break down
tl;dr both are poison, better than clinton however
the country needs fixing, but they're not the most suitable leaders out there, i'm not going to vote just for the sake of voting, and neither of these candidates have truly impressed me. trump's terrible taste in hair cuts and bernie's excessive spending won't save us, murika is doomed. har de har har
while i enjoy sanders' more diplomatic approach on foreign policy other stances he carries i could care less for, really. sanders health care stance is utter hogwash though i do share his stance on the death penalty, etc etc. trump's stance on national security isn't necessarily one of my favorites, either. it's really not hard to break down
tl;dr both are poison, better than clinton however
the country needs fixing, but they're not the most suitable leaders out there, i'm not going to vote just for the sake of voting, and neither of these candidates have truly impressed me. trump's terrible taste in hair cuts and bernie's excessive spending won't save us, murika is doomed. har de har har
Lightbringer
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Do you know what socialism is? Most of Sanders policies have either existed in the U.S. or were attempted by previous Presidents. Democratic Socialism is not the same as pure Socialism. The U.S. is a social democracy.
Explain to me why Bernie's healthcare stance is utter hogwash? The U.S. is the only major country that doesn't have universal healthcare.
So if all of those other countries have a healthcare system that is less costly and more effective, why can't the U.S.?
Also if you make less than $200,000 a year, then under Bernie Sanders your taxes will not go up at all.
sanders is a self-admitted socialist. and no, he's not authoritarian. no, he's not a dictator. i'm not using 'socialist' as some epithet to paint him as some unholy demonic figure from the fiery depths of hell, but rather, disapproving his political alignment because i, uh, can. socialism is great in 'theory', but not good in practice. the execution is bound to fail, because all those theories are fundamentally flawed
not a philosophy i particularly agree with
zzz, continue to live in the utopian world
representative republic*
those countries function under the philosophy of they know what's best for you, let them provide for you, yadaya
not a philosophy i particularly agree with
you're still taking someone's income away from them, forcibly
zzz, continue to live in the utopian world
Lightbringer
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He admitted to being a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist.
Again, Democratic Socialism and Socialism are different. Democratic Socialists don't advocate big government while Socialists do.
You brought up a moot point since I was only responding to the fact that you said the healthcare plan was utter hogwash. It's already established in every other major country. The fact that those countries have a different political system is irrelevant. What matters is that it's economically viable.
Well I can certainly tell you know little about history. Eisenhower, Reagan, FDR, Ford, and other presidents had a marginalized tax on the rich that went as high as 90%. There's nothing Utopian about it, it existed in the U.S.
The current wealthy class get taxed less than the middle class, sometimes even finding loopholes. They are taking money forcibly from us. There is already wealth redistribution except it's in reverse.
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This right here
No wonder i called this guy Donald Trump wannabe of Europe :lol
slimreaper
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Doesn't advocate big government?
Forcing people to pay for your healthcare, education, and forcibly raising the minimum wage are examples of big government. stay in denial
and stop suggesting the little guy isn't going to be taxed more because bernie says so.
an independent tax policy research organization, found that Sanders’ plan would lead to 10.56% lower after-tax income for all taxpayers, and a 17.91% lower after-tax income for the wealthiest Americans. and no I won't site this because you've failed to site anything ever and you'll just attack it as anti bernie propaganda. Stop being a ****ing idiot and argue the point instead of attacking the source. IF you prove the point wrong the source is null, but because you can't you just try to discredit it. i see through your games
Bernie wants to tax those who's income is more than 200,000 right? you know who make up the overwhelming majority of those whose income is 200,000 or more? Regular people who've just sold their home.
Thats right the big evil one percent are actually mostly just regular people who will fall right out in the next year. lets tax the holy shit out of them for one year. And because it's income based and most of the "1%" live on wealth and not actual income, they won't be taxed(not that they should be taxed any higher than the average american) considering they pay the vast majority already.
closing loopholes is one thing, but you don't get to decide what is someone's "fair share" especially when those people are serving society in other ways, namely keeping people employed.
sanders is proposing a 6.2% payroll tax on employers, not to mention an overall hike on the income the employees make.
This is the one question i want you to seriously answer and not dodge
how do you believe that raising the wages, and taxing the employers far more for their labor is going to keep jobs in America? what bernie sanders is suggesting will multiply unemployment greatly. Not to mention you are still getting the 2.2% tax on regular joe.
How are restaurants that operate on a small profit margin supposed to stay open? How are regular local businesses(where the owners don't make 200,000 as opposed to how you want to paint them) supposed to survive a massive hike in their payroll and a massive hike in the tax on their payroll?
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LOL. Bernie has said he'd cut different parts of the government. Get your facts right.
So you're stalking for my comments now? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you had feelings for me.
This is another example of why you can't read. I already told you multiple times I'm not going to argue with you. You're a racist and you can't accept the fact that you're wrong and your information is wrong. I gave you empirical evidence before and you simply denied it. You argue for the sake of arguing in an attempt to prove me wrong and not actually caring about the topic at hand. No point in debating you.
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slimreaper
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I don't think you know why empirical means
based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.
you provided what you thought was evidence and I provided a counter. you won't debate because you can't debate.
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^^ you
The most pathetic cop out i've ever heard is "i won't debate you because you're a racist". I've proven racism to be correct but un-popular.
Lightbringer
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Mathematical certainty is empirical. Historical fact is empirical. You are an idiot.
Racism clouds judgement and objective thinking which is what you lack. And again, I was right in my statements. You live in a fog of your own truths even though they're completely inaccurate. No sense in arguing with someone who is so narrow-minded.
PS: Using memes to justify your argument only makes you look like a douche and an uneducated simpleton; which fits you perfectly.
slimreaper
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this is why you're a dumbass. I you believe in mathematical certainty in any form of economics then you're a moron.
My judgement is clouded? yet everything is propaganda against bernie, all your evidence is fact and empirical while mine somehow isn't.
here is some racist historical fact for you
minimum wage in 1949 is the equivalent of $4.04 in todays money. Black teenage unemployment- 9.2%, White teenage unemployment-10.4%. The last year that happened. I wonder what coincides with raises in black teenage unemployment(with white increases as well, but nowhere near as severe). Maybe it's hikes in minimum wage?
Yeah, history is on my side
Btw free medical care to all and a free school system is basically what defines a wellfare state. U.S has neither. We Finns have and we have the best education system in the world. I don't really see what would be so wrong if Sanders would get elected as president and he would go through with said changes?
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Lightbringer
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lol That absolutely made no sense. First you tell me the minimum wage of the 1949, then give me the supposed rates of unemployment (which probably isn't accurate) and then string together that they coincide with racism, historical fact, and minimum wage hikes?
You are clearly dumbfounded by your own logic. This is why people like you should not be able to vote.
Which is more necessary, health and education or ranking in military strength?
Btw our "military strenght" kicked Russia's ass in Winter War. We basically owned them although we had 1/3 of their manpower.And also our 30 tanks vs their 300 tanks.
Outcome: Finns: 70 000 casualties
Russians: 360 000 casualties.
Boom. You should learn something from that.
