Law hasn't had a chance to go all out against Doffy. He was fighting Fuji and Doffy and that was way too much for him. Him fighting Doffy was a disaster waiting to happen when he was weaker in the first place. And Luffy hasn't gone all out himself, nor has he gotten a solo fight with him. I think if it were the two one-on-one, Doffy would still dominate the fight but he wouldn't be dominating Luffy so easily. The same with Law. And Doffy is also fighting a tired Luffy from the coliseum and exhausted Law.
[Discussion] Doflamingo's real ranking!
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Not to start another endless Sanji-Zoro debate, but i disagree here. Hyouzou > Wadatsumi. Fujitora > Doflamingo and against Wadatsumi, Sanji had Jimbe's help and against Doflamingo he had to be saved when Zoro handled things on his own. It's the rating between Pica and Vergo that i'm unsure yet, but eventhen.
Vergo got the upperhand in a shortskirmich against Sanji using his own leg-fighting style, without using his bamboo staff and haki when Zoro fought Pica much longer without receiving a scratch and is shown to be on another level despite actually not going all out(well at least until yet), so regardless who is stronger between Pica and Vergo, Zoro is clearly shown in better light and same concerning other fights since the timeskip started. The truth is Sanji didn't really have a 1 on 1 fight since enies lobby. He was either in group or duo, or getting small skirmiches that didn't always end up well. Not to mention that in terms of stats that we know so far, we have
Fire Power
Zoro > Sanji(1080 Pound Phoenix, Crossing of the six paths or Shishishisonson is stronger than Sanji's greatest move(Hell Memory) and we've yet to see post-skip Asura)
Stamina
Zoro > Sanji(Considering he had better stamina preskip, it should be the same)
Durability
Zoro > Sanji(like above)
Top Speed
Sanji > Zoro(sky/blue walk gives Sanji the edge)
Reaction-speed
They are equals give or take
Close quarter
Zoro > Sanji(mainly due to the range of the swords)
Range
Zoro > Sanji(Sanji having no range attacks)
So Zoro beats Sanji in practically all categories
Mingo to an admiral is about 100 -99.9 ( he is more or less admiral level ) but that means he wouldn't emess with one either ( remember aokiji at punk hazard ). In a fight to the death it could go either way, but mingo isn't up for that.
Mingo to Law, 100 - 70 law could fight him, but never solo him
mingo to luffy 100 - 70 read above
mingo to zoro 100 - 60 zoro is a beast but mingo is too much
mingo to sanji 100 - 55 we've seen this already
Mingo to Law, 100 - 70 law could fight him, but never solo him
mingo to luffy 100 - 70 read above
mingo to zoro 100 - 60 zoro is a beast but mingo is too much
mingo to sanji 100 - 55 we've seen this already
It doesn't matter, all I need from u is a fair point that proves that he's close to Zoro.
Regardless of who is stronger than who their are on the same general level. Zoro is far stronger than Pica from what we have seen so saying Vergo is stronger than Pica won't help u here as it won't prove that Vergo> Zoro.
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True but doffy has been running around he flew from punk hazard tp dressrosa and back in under a day
He's fought smoker
Clashed with fuji
Clashed with akoiji
Destroyed Belemy
Low diffed sanji
Toyed with law (with fuji)
And now is fighting and low-mid diffing law and luffy at same time
Also u said neither law or luffy hasn't fully gone all out yet same can b implied by doffy he has yet to get serious .......
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Well Zoro hasn't shown anything that remotely suggests he can cut through vergo Haki and vergo whos a little slower or at same level of speed then sanji (who is faster then Zoro) mid diff sanji (granted his body was damaged from casar attacking it while nami was in it)
Should b able to beat Zoro at very most high diff...
Until we see more from Zoro or sanji
As for whos stronger obviously Zoro but the gap in terms of overall capabilities isn't ghat big
If luffy is 100
Zoro is prob 91-94
Sanji is around 86-90
This is base btw
24 12 11 to troll
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Different kind of fighter. Zoro is more destructive, as is expected of somebody wielding weaponry. Luffy can't do that either.
One question for you to answer is: prove Zoro is faster than Sanji (whom is about as fast, if not, faster than G2 Luffy)
24 12 11 to troll
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Sorry... just no.
Fire Power
Zoro > Sanji(Zoro trumps Sanji)
Stamina
Zoro > Sanji (Although Sanji spent almost an entire timeskip running...)
Top Speed
Sanji > Zoro(Sanji is just faster. Simple.)
Reaction-speed
Sanji > Zoro (because of Sanji's natural talent for Kenboshoku Haki)
Close quarter
Sanji > Zoro (Sanji's speed gives him the upper hand here)
Range
Zoro > Sanji(Sanji having only a few range attacks)
And about the Vergo fight: Sanji was fatigued because of Nami while in his body.
You lot give me the impression that if Luffy's strength was rated at 100
Zoro would be 99 and Sanji would be a f*cking 1 or something.
It's more like:
Luffy - 100
Zoro - 92
Sanji - 90
This is because Oda always shows the two of these characters being equally capable in terms of fighting, e.g. in Fishman Island or Water 7 or Return to Sabaody when they crush the same buildings and enemies etc. at the same, with the same devastating effects. They always compete with eachother, so clearly Zoro perceives Sanji to be much closer in strength in comparison to his own, in contrast to your beliefs of Sanji being fodder. Zoro is stronger than Sanji, but by the tiniest amount. Afterall, Zoro's CP9 opponent was only 10 Douriki superior to Sanji's. That is how close they are in terms of strength (10 douriki).
Edit: Actually, Sanji defeated Jyabura faster than Zoro dispatched of Kaku, so the margin is probably less than 10 Douriki.
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NarutoBmx33
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I'm just gonna throw this out there
Luffy was trained by Raleigh, first mate of PK
Zoro was trained by Mihawk, World's Strongest Swordsman
And Sanji was trained by....fodder queers
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Admirals 100-110
Yonkos 111-125
Warlords 80-99 except Buggy(45)
Doffy (99) mastery of all haki, defeated every enemy that he have faced so far, fearless and cunning
Luffy 95 will defeat doffy because of pure will and the help of Law and others
Zoro 90
Law 85 , no haki usage , depends to much on devil fruit that drains his stamina
Sanji 80
Sabo 99, armament haki master quickly learning how to use devil fruit
Pirate King Roger 130
Rayliegh 110, mastery of all haki
Dragon 125, hype and presence and respect and feared
Shanks 125 haki master , master sword man, the power to stop a war with presence
White Beard 120 strongest man in the world is his title but was old and sick
Garp 105
Yonkos 111-125
Warlords 80-99 except Buggy(45)
Doffy (99) mastery of all haki, defeated every enemy that he have faced so far, fearless and cunning
Luffy 95 will defeat doffy because of pure will and the help of Law and others
Zoro 90
Law 85 , no haki usage , depends to much on devil fruit that drains his stamina
Sanji 80
Sabo 99, armament haki master quickly learning how to use devil fruit
Pirate King Roger 130
Rayliegh 110, mastery of all haki
Dragon 125, hype and presence and respect and feared
Shanks 125 haki master , master sword man, the power to stop a war with presence
White Beard 120 strongest man in the world is his title but was old and sick
Garp 105
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24 12 11 to troll
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You've got it wrong. I stopped watching the anime. I still avidly read the Manga. Oh dear.
You know I have a point. If Sanji can compete with Zoro then he isn't far behind him. So why do people have the audacity to say he's outdone by Zoro in every department of combat and ability?
Because the manga didn't end in enies lobby. It's as if i was saying Zoro is equal to Luffy because they stalemated in whiskey peak. Not to mention even in enies lobby your analysis is wrong but i don't want to enter the subject
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