[Discussion] Doflamingo's Backstory

[Olorin]

I've seen a few people say how what we got was a simple back story, so simple in fact that it could be summed up by "if I can't get slaves imana blow up this whole place" ... In fact someone on Ms wrote about first world problems and now everyone is copying him all over the internet :/

So let me share my 2 cents (very briefly because I'm on my phone):

As a kid he basically had everything and was happy, than he was uprooted from his world into poverty (on some grey terminal level misery), so his world crumbled, as a young child he went from being happy to hell and as a result of this hell his mother died,he probably blamed his father and thought that if he (father) was gone he (Dofy) would be happy again, as a kid he might have even expected to get his mother back, that he was expecting things to change back is further supported by the fact that he brought his father's head to Mariejoes, and they denied him that life just like his father, but unlike his father he couldn't just get back at them so he has been holding a grudge all this time ...

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

Still don't like it. So he's just a spoiled brat? Okay.

 

[Olorin]

Still don't like it. So he's just a spoiled brat? Okay.

Spoiled brat? Poverty is often times the reason for criminal behaviour and if you have someone to blame for, someone who made you live like that, that's even worse

DD isn't a jackass just because he was a spoiled brat, it's because everything was taken away from him when he was a kid, he was born happy and his father took everything away ... including his mother so ofc Dofy is pissed off

You don't have to go from rich to poor to become a criminal, poverty is enough to do it, but his status as (once) a noble does give him a massive ego

But he isn't what he is today because he "is a spoiled brat"

 

[David1996]

Spoiled brat? Poverty is often times the reason for criminal behaviour and if you have someone to blame for, someone who made you live like that, that's even worse

DD isn't a jackass just because he was a spoiled brat, it's because everything was taken away from him when he was a kid, he was born happy and his father took everything away ... including his mother so ofc Dofy is pissed off

You don't have to go from rich to poor to become a criminal, poverty is enough to do it, but his status as (once) a noble does give him a massive ego

But he isn't what he is today because he "is a spoiled brat"

So he'll kill his father just because he wanted a life where he'd "buy slaves" and "kill a commoner who talked back to him".

His father did the right thing, switching to the average person's life, he probably felt disgust towards other nobles...
DD was a spoiled brat. Not because of poverty or his mother's death. He just wants the life of a noble.

 

[Olorin]

So he'll kill his father just because he wanted a life where he'd "buy slaves" and "kill a commoner who talked back to him".

His father did the right thing, switching to the average person life, he probably felt disgust towards other nobles...
DD was a spoiled brat. Not because of poverty or his mother's death. He just wants the life of a noble.

So what if he wanted slaves? The reason he killed and is "evil" isn't because he didn't get slaves, it's because his happiness was taken away and replaced by misery (he didn't become normal, he became poor) and to top it off his mother died because of that which caused him misery and he blamed his father for it

There is no denying that he is egoistic, insane and to a degree spoiled but he ISN'T who he is because his father refused to buy him slaves, it's very possible that if instead of living in extreme poverty they lead a normal life after they abandoned the lives of nobles (ie not in poverty) and his family would still be whole he might not have become as fked up as he is now

 

[David1996]

So what if he wanted slaves? The reason he killed and is "evil" isn't because he didn't get slaves, it's because his happiness was taken away and replaced by misery (he didn't become normal, he became poor) and to top it off his mother died because of that which caused him misery and he blamed his father for it

There is no denying that he is egoistic, insane and to a degree spoiled but he ISN'T who he is because his father refused to buy him slaves, it's very possible that if instead of living in extreme poverty they lead a normal life after they abandoned the lives of nobles (ie not in poverty) and his family would still be whole he might not have become as fked up as he is now

What goes around comes around, he killed commoners, his mother died of illness. Simple really.

He wasn't extremely poor, he said his father wanted an average person's life. There are others who are truly poor, you don't see them killing their fathers.
And I wouldn't blame the father, a guy who doesn't want to shoot people and have slaves.

But then again it's too early to judge, I'll wait for another flashback. But for now, to me he is a little spoiled kid.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I think it fitsand while it kinda makes him a victim for a but he really is only victim to his own twisted view on life and we know that is how the avarage CD also views the world so this paints Doffy as a villain to the core and also gives rpt of tpart of that shade to the CD's coz young dotty is aa typical CD and even the grownups of those pple r no better.

Doffy isn't victim of circumstances, the circumstances just helped highlight his tru self he really is a villain, a great one though in his later years.

 

[Olorin]

What goes around comes around, he killed commoners, his mother died of illness. Simple really.

He wasn't extremely poor, he said his father wanted an average person's life. There are others who are truly poor, you don't see them killing their fathers.
And I wouldn't blame the father, a guy who doesn't want to shoot people and have slaves.

But then again it's too early to judge, I'll wait for another flashback. But for now, to me he is a little spoiled kid.

I know he was spoiled and peobably a jackass as a kid since he wanted slaves, all I'm trying to say is that that's not what made him into the villain we know today

 

[Punk Hazard]

I know exactly what you're saying. Doffy is turning into the Tobi/Obito of OP, people are looking at the backstory of an awesome villain and completely misunderstanding it because well, you're dealing with children. Take all of these people saying his backstory is bad, and toss them into a third world country and we'll see how they like having their happiness taken away.

 

[vasu 32]

He is the OBITO of ONE PIECE

On serious note this back story of dofy, well you summed it up completely. I said it in case of Obito, when people were calling it BS, and I'm gonna say it again on DOFY's account, this is what makes him a psychotic maniac and villain. To destroy and make the world dance at the tips of your fingers, just for such a simple reason is what makes him a great villain, psycho.

Spoiler

OF-COURSE OBITO>>>>>DOFY U_U

 

[Gintõki1]

He is the OBITO of ONE PIECE

On serious note this back story of dofy, well you summed it up completely. I said it in case of Obito, when people were calling it BS, and I'm gonna say it again on DOFY's account, this is what makes him a psychotic maniac and villain. To destroy and make the world dance at the tips of your fingers, just for such a simple reason is what makes him a great villain, psycho.

Spoiler

OF-COURSE OBITO>>>>>DOFY U_U

Doffy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obito.
You mean.

 

[Skylar Knight]

So many people here who have no idea what they're talking about. It's quite annoying, really.

You're nothing more than spoiled if you actually think it's easy to live in a third world country, and for Doflamingo, it must've been like moving to a fourth world country. You even speak of the series' average household as if it's the exact same as in real life's first world countries. Yes, indeed, it must be a child's game to go from a comfortable bed to the streets within hours. C'mon, the guy had just turned eight. At that age you probably cried yourself to sleep when your parents took away your gameboy at night.

 

[Zeta42]

The beginning of his backstory may seem bland at first, but I like how it contrasts with the Riku family's philosophy. While Dofla lost his shit over losing his life as a World Noble, Rikus were willing to trade their riches for happiness more than once.

- The first king Riku allowed dwarves to steal whatever they want from the kingdom
- Scarlett faked her death and chose a commoner's life so she could be with Kyros
- Rebecca never knew a rich life, but she was happy with Soldier anyway
- The current king Riku agreed to part with all the money in his country in exchange for Dofla leaving them alone (even though it didn't work)

And now there's Dofla who was like "if I can't become a Celestial Dragon again, I'll just make life miserable for everyone." Dressrosa couldn't have a better villain, to be honest.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

So what if he wanted slaves? The reason he killed and is "evil" isn't because he didn't get slaves, it's because his happiness was taken away and replaced by misery (he didn't become normal, he became poor) and to top it off his mother died because of that which caused him misery and he blamed his father for it

In the first place, because he want slaves - he is in some way evil. He want to kill some guy because he talked back to him, that's also 'evil'.

To me Doflamingo don't seems like spoiler brat, he seems like guy that wanted to be spoiled by his parents, but since he didn't got that, he become even more evil. Most probably other "Celestial Kids" had slaves, could kill characters, that talk back to them, Doflamingo's father isn't like others, and he wanted best for his son.

I liked the idea of him just refusing the Celestial Dragon lifestyle better than this, that he actually wanted to be Celestial Dragon lifestyle.

 

[Hexuze]

Why are people comparing doffy & obito. People disliked him for constantly bringing up rin.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

So many people here who have no idea what they're talking about. It's quite annoying, really.

You're nothing more than spoiled if you actually think it's easy to live in a third world country, and for Doflamingo, it must've been like moving to a fourth world country. You even speak of the series' average household as if it's the exact same as in real life's first world countries. Yes, indeed, it must be a child's game to go from a comfortable bed to the streets within hours. C'mon, the guy had just turned eight. At that age you probably cried yourself to sleep when your parents took away your gameboy at night.

At the age of 6, I was in basement, while some country bombed my country.
Whole 90s were terrible in my country, people were killed on the streets everyday, I did see (and heard) a lot of people who lost their loved, but I don't remember that even once, someone wanted to kill whole humanity because he lost someone, I suppose there was someone who wanted revange, but he wouldn't kill all humanity.... I can go on, but I don't see reason to go any further....

 

[Listz]

At the age of 6, I was in basement, while some country bombed my country.
Whole 90s were terrible in my country, people were killed on the streets everyday, I did see (and heard) a lot of people who lost their loved, but I don't remember that even once, someone wanted to kill whole humanity because he lost someone, I suppose there was someone who wanted revange, but he wouldn't kill all humanity.... I can go on, but I don't see reason to go any further....

Which explains why you're now not a villain in reality world, and actually it's good to know you choose the right path even after experiencing all that. BUT someone like Doffy is truly exist out there, you just don't know it, since you're not that person. A true villain right from the start. No matter how illogical and shallow you think Doffy's source of revenge are, it won't change the fact that his messed up childhood is shaping him and leading him to his current position.

To add things up with cherries on top, the senseless wars we have in real world pretty much becomes an advantage to certain party to destroy the world...

 

[Forbidden Tale]

@ Listz

My point is for:

So many people here who have no idea what they're talking about. It's quite annoying, really.

You're nothing more than spoiled if you actually think it's easy to live in a third world country, and for Doflamingo, it must've been like moving to a fourth world country.

Yes, indeed, it must be a child's game to go from a comfortable bed to the streets within hours.

C'mon, the guy had just turned eight. At that age you probably cried yourself to sleep when your parents took away your gameboy at night.

Which explains why you're now not a villain in reality world, and actually it's good to know you choose the right path even after experiencing all that. BUT someone like Doffy is truly exist out there, you just don't know it, since you're not that person. A true villain right from the start. No matter how illogical and shallow you think Doffy's source of revenge are, it won't change the fact that his messed up childhood is shaping him and leading him to his current position.

Exactly, key words are "A true villain right from the start", his childhood didn't make him evil, he was evil from the start.

He wanted slaves - evil. He wanted to kill person who talked back to him - evil, this was during his childhood, and it was during the time that they lived in Mariejois, so childhood didn't make him evil, he was evil.

To add things up with cherries on top, the senseless wars we have in real world pretty much becomes an advantage to certain party to destroy the world...

They don't want to destroy world, they want land under their control.

 

[Listz]

@ Listz
Exactly, key words are "A true villain right from the start", his childhood didn't make him evil, he was evil from the start.

No, don't get my sentence wrong. What i mean by that phrase is he as the true villain born from his childhood upbringing. A child is pure upon his birth, hence it depends on his parents' way of teach to form his appearance and personality. If they mislead their own child with blind wealth & overpowered status, they're gonna have a shitty kid, which chances to evolve into a problematic person in his adulthood.

He wanted slaves - evil. He wanted to kill person who talked back to him - evil, this was during his childhood, and it was during the time that they lived in Mariejois, so childhood didn't make him evil, he was evil.

He wanted slaves since he saw other tenryuubito did it, probably his own parents had done that too at first before his father changed his mind. Doffy wanted to kill the one lowlife that dared to talk back at him because he felt superior for being a tenryuubito. Why? His childhood experience, condition, situation, showed him how a tenryuubito needed to act, needed to think, needed to feel.

They don't want to destroy world, they want land under their control.

Yes, i agree with this as well. But i believe we all heard about a term called; hidden conspiracy, so who knows.

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I like how you take your time to explain to me your own opinions for all those above. Nice effort, i rep+ ya that.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I believe that in this case, dad didn't let him have slaves and didn't kill that guy, so what made Doflamingo to feel badly, the drop that spilled the cup was his mother death.

As I said above, I don't believe that dad give him what he wanted, and I don't believe that he was spoiled by dad, he wanted to be spoiled, by having slaves, and other things, like other children.