[Discussion] Doflamingo was very impressive [Read & Rank Him]

[A v i]

I don't even get why Joker became stupid enough to took the attack head on when he can simply dodge it. If he dodge the attack instead of taking it head on then the story would have been totally different.

 

[Hexuze]

1. I do and hopefully everyone else does.
2. He's close to admiral level IMO.

 

[Akuma]

Flawed logic. Mihawk is admiral level and he's shichibukai too.

OT- I'd say he's below admiral level by a bit.

Nah you mistook a portion of what I said, Shichibukai are not meant or required to be Admiral level, thus said level of strength shouldn't be expected from them. That doesn't mean they can't or haven't reached it ofc.

 

[giostep]

I dont think Doffy strings are attached to his health in anyway.
Perfect Example is the fact that Zoro and Fuji are struggling with haki and swords in hand to stop Doffy's cage, along with dozens of other strong pirates. If Doffy's strings required his health to be top notch to be durable then I think they would have stopped the Cage by now.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I dont think Doffy strings are attached to his health in anyway.
Perfect Example is the fact that Zoro and Fuji are struggling with haki and swords in hand to stop Doffy's cage, along with dozens of other strong pirates. If Doffy's strings required his health to be top notch to be durable then I think they would have stopped the Cage by now.

Actually, it can work both ways. If Doflamingo's strings are affected by his health, it can be reasoned that they would remain at the strength he created them at. If Doflamingo creates a string while he is at 100% health, the strength would be at 100% strength. If he is reduced to 30% health, the string would still remain at 100% strength because it's already made. Then if Doffy makes a string, it'd be at 30% strength.

There isn't a lot of evidence that Doffy's strings are affected by his health, but the fact that Luffy could break out of Parasite using brute strength in a few seconds while Jozu couldn't in a moment is an indicator. We'd have to wait for a deeper explanation of his fruit if one is ever given.

 

[A v i]

I dont think Doffy strings are attached to his health in anyway.
Perfect Example is the fact that Zoro and Fuji are struggling with haki and swords in hand to stop Doffy's cage, along with dozens of other strong pirates. If Doffy's strings required his health to be top notch to be durable then I think they would have stopped the Cage by now.

Durability of strings is one thing and the force with which cage is moving forward is another.The former isn't their problem , real problem is the later. They can't stop it just by destroying strings, they can be reformed as long as Joker is standing so it'd be a waster of energy to make an attempt and break them. Neither Zoro nor Fujitora was trying to save their own asses by escaping cage. They're trying to protect countless people inside cage which is why they're not attempting to destroy the cage. After dropping a few meteors on Joker's cage ,Fujitora noted that the cage has gotten weak so nothing stops him from completely overpowering it with a rain of meteors.

FLAP THREAD barely did any notable damage to Luffy where as an attack from Hody which is nothing compared to Jokers attacks did significant damage even when he was protecting himself with his KOKA. Luffy hardly recovered his haki yet for everyones surprise he was able to resist one of strongest awakening attacks of Joker. Which would support the point of Jokers attack getting weaker.

Besides , they're just metallic strings so they shouldn't be impossible to snap for decent fighters in OP but they're hard to break which makes you believe that they're more than just metallic strings and Joker has something to do with them being that strong. For all we know he could be channelling his haki through his strings to make them hard to break or channel his physical strength through strings like how Zoro channels his PS through his swords. So it is completely logical to assume that his attacks has gotten weak because of his condition.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

I don't even get why Joker became stupid enough to took the attack head on when he can simply dodge it. If he dodge the attack instead of taking it head on then the story would have been totally different.

It makes sense to me. If he tried to dodge and it would not work he would be completely vulnerable to Luffy's attack. So he took the safest bet.
He used his strongest defense and offense besides Doffy was confident enough he could overcome Luffy with his attack. He is just a mere human afterall, a peon who is far beneath the likes of Doffy himself.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If he dodged, this would have happened

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[bajram]

If anything I thought of him being stronger by portrayal before, he may still be slightly stronger than Luffy or on the same level as him but he is still far-cry from top tiers, before these fights I thought he would be at least a little close to top-tier level but not really he as well as Luffy have a long way to go.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Actually, it can work both ways. If Doflamingo's strings are affected by his health, it can be reasoned that they would remain at the strength he created them at. If Doflamingo creates a string while he is at 100% health, the strength would be at 100% strength. If he is reduced to 30% health, the string would still remain at 100% strength because it's already made. Then if Doffy makes a string, it'd be at 30% strength.

There isn't a lot of evidence that Doffy's strings are affected by his health, but the fact that Luffy could break out of Parasite using brute strength in a few seconds while Jozu couldn't in a moment is an indicator. We'd have to wait for a deeper explanation of his fruit if one is ever given.

I keep seeing brute strength being mentioned, if anything, I would have though it was the haki covered area that G4 provides that broke free of parasite. Which is possible as haki is just the manifestation of a persons will which I presume comes from within, just like he can still keep his thoughts and speech. he can keep his haki, which when he activated broke free of parasite. But on the note of Doffy's strength of his strings, I don't think they get any weaker in tensile strength so his strings are still at the same strength as BC but what I think gets overall weaker is how Doffy uses them, so in speed and force sort of thing.

Durability of strings is one thing and the force with which cage is moving forward is another.The former isn't their problem , real problem is the later. They can't stop it just by destroying strings, they can be reformed as long as Joker is standing so it'd be a waster of energy to make an attempt and break them. Neither Zoro nor Fujitora was trying to save their own asses by escaping cage. They're trying to protect countless people inside cage which is why they're not attempting to destroy the cage. After dropping a few meteors on Joker's cage ,Fujitora noted that the cage has gotten weak so nothing stops him from completely overpowering it with a rain of meteors.

FLAP THREAD barely did any notable damage to Luffy where as an attack from Hody which is nothing compared to Jokers attacks did significant damage even when he was protecting himself with his KOKA. Luffy hardly recovered his haki yet for everyones surprise he was able to resist one of strongest awakening attacks of Joker. Which would support the point of Jokers attack getting weaker.

Besides , they're just metallic strings so they shouldn't be impossible to snap for decent fighters in OP but they're hard to break which makes you believe that they're more than just metallic strings and Joker has something to do with them being that strong. For all we know he could be channelling his haki through his strings to make them hard to break or channel his physical strength through strings like how Zoro channels his PS through his swords. So it is completely logical to assume that his attacks has gotten weak because of his condition.

Didn't do any notable damage? They pierced him, the haki imbued strings pierced through a haki imbued Luffy and wen't into / through him which I'm sure did some damage, then on top of that he took a barage of them into a wall too, which the next image of Luffy shows he has been pierced even more whilst under the attack of parasite, but even in a wore out state I'm sure Luffy can handle a little impalement. Look at Luffy all the way back against Krieg, he was shot continuously by those poison round and he just pulled em' out and keeps going, an exception to this is when Croco-boy sticks his hook straight through him though xD. But I've gone onto a bit of a tangent here... Doffy is obviously in a weakened state and I'm sure his haki is wavering a little than when they first started too, so for them both to clash and Doffy to impale through Luffy's haki which was comparably equal earlier (although if I'm honest I think Doffy's is better), I'd say that yeah, his haki hasn't returned to full strength just yet.

OT: Doflamingo is a BEAST! Although Flap Thread was actually a disappoint for me, you see this really cool attack of a "thousand" being mentioned and pictured and the next panel just looks as though out of the thousand just a few look like they hit? Or maybe Luffy took a barrage of them until they got through his haki? I dunno but it started out awesome and then wasn't that appealing to me :/

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo is a BEAST! Although Flap Thread was actually a disappoint for me, you see this really cool attack of a "thousand" being mentioned and pictured and the next panel just looks as though out of the thousand just a few look like they hit? Or maybe Luffy took a barrage of them until they got through his haki? I dunno but it started out awesome and then wasn't that appealing to me :/

Nah, they couldn't all hit him at once. A bunch of them hit him at once, and as he was pushed away from the force, more and more kept slamming into him. This repeated until he was pushed into the plateau where more just kept crashing into him.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Nah, they couldn't all hit him at once. A bunch of them hit him at once, and as he was pushed away from the force, more and more kept slamming into him. This repeated until he was pushed into the plateau where more just kept crashing into him.

That's what I was thinking with the panel in the top left... I think the anime will definitely show several hits like that for sure aha

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's what I was thinking with the panel in the top left... I think the anime will definitely show several hits like that for sure aha

It took me so long to realize your username is Simple At Its Best and not Simple, A Tit's Best xD

Yeah, hopefully they make it good ;-;

 

[Bogard]

If he dodged, this would have happened

Culverin and Kong Gun are 2different attacks

 

[KCN]

Nah you mistook a portion of what I said, Shichibukai are not meant or required to be Admiral level, thus said level of strength shouldn't be expected from them. That doesn't mean they can't or haven't reached it ofc.

Ohhh my bad then.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Culverin and Kong Gun are 2different attacks

Culverin is just a curving Kong Gun tbvh

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

It took me so long to realize your username is Simple At Its Best and not Simple, A Tit's Best xD

Yeah, hopefully they make it good ;-;

Hah! I sort of want it to be the latter now, but unfortunately I saw someones post at 4 in the morning drunk and just had to make an account to reply and that's the best I could do... Just remember saying to myself "I need something simple" xD

But I have a question that's a little off topic, what part does Luffy blow up? It looks as though it's something to do with his right arm and I'm guessing it's the usual sticking his thumb in his mouth, but if you look at the image, it almost just looks as though hes blowing up from his shoulder as his arm is extended :/ Bit confused on this to be honest

 

[Mugiwara kun]

I don't understand why people say Mihawk is yokon or admiral lvl. We don't know the nature of Mihamk's duel with Shanks. it could have been a friendly spar. Because does that mean Mihawk is as strong as WB? I don't think So. During the war of the best,he wanted to test How strong WB is compared to himself. Doesn't that give off the idea he's not yokon lvl? Just because he's WSSM doesn't mean he's yokon lvl. He couldn't even beat Vista or Croc boy
OT: NO way Luffy is stronger than Doffy even if Luffy used KKG from the start cause that would mean he's facing Doffy without Gamma knife.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

I agree with you on that one, I don't think he is either... I would say near admiral level though, definitely. Whitebeard mentioned Shanks and Mihawks' clashes in the past, I believe Shanks is stronger than him now.