[Discussion] Doflamingo vs Katakuri

[Amaterasu]

you a dogtooth wanker. lol Nice nice.. oh btw.. lets act like doffy insides weren't destroyed and damn near was at way less than half strength but still gave luffy a run.. well actually doffy alone beats luffy.. but a 1v1 vs kat and he still standing strong.. lol oh btw.. kat elephant gun beat luffy.. I said if he took it himself he would be done.. lol noob

ok tahts' just very weak, the ad hominem because you fail at arguments tho

And Luffy gonna start running now that Kat is back with his calm composure lol,

quote a doffy attack that can hurt Katakuri, i'll wait

 

[BusinessManTeno]

ok tahts' just very weak, the ad hominem because you fail at arguments tho

And Luffy gonna start running now that Kat is back with his calm composure lol,

quote a doffy attack that can hurt Katakuri, i'll wait

bird cage. Nuff said
and no.. luffy is running cause its annoying fighting a guy like kat

 

[ToshiZO]

So what you are saying is neither doffy nor luffy have a chance of even touch dog tooth... So would that not be a no-low difficulty victory ? :|

If that is the case how strong do you think he actually is? I mean that would def put him above the Likes of jozu (who in fact got touched by doffy hell he didn't even realize he was there until it was too late) and vista (who didn't just clash with mihawk but fought him pretty evenly). I have already said that most likely that dog tooth is stronger then doffy but I didn't think it would be a huge margin.

I honestly had no idea that ppl pegged him to be this strong.

Curious how do you think dog tooth would fair against doffy and luffy at once. I mean if either of them can really touch him (in your opinion) by themselves how do you think they would fair together? Perhaps low diff (solid) or mid diff?

Or what about vista and jozu how bad would they lose against dog tooth? Hell lets add Marco in there too. Because if doffy (who is commander level whether the base believes it or not, oda has portrayed him as such with interactions with jozu, how much control he had in the world, and to this date he has been Luffy's hardest fight and required luffy strongest ally to defeat?) Cannot touch dog tooth at all (because of observation haki that would mean jozu nor vista wouldn't be able to do much to him either..
So yeah
I'm just curious where do you rank him ? Or do we need to make a tier specifically for him. Let's say super yonko first mate level or something like that?

It wont be a no or low diff simply because he'll have to exert tons of energy just putting Doflamingo down he'll have to go all out.

As of now G4 and G2 speeds aren't enough to touch him if he's focused. In a 2v1 he's gonna get hit much more often. How Luffy manages to hit him remains to be seen.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It wont be a no or low diff simply because he'll have to exert tons of energy just putting Doflamingo down he'll have to go all out.

As of now G4 and G2 speeds aren't enough to touch him if he's focused. In a 2v1 he's gonna get hit much more often. How Luffy manages to hit him remains to be seen.

Ummm going all out is literally high diff

Someone who got mid diffed in this series has been smoker.against law.

Smoker gave law a little bit of a fight but nothing law couldn't handle. He didn't even have to use majority of his attacks In that instance and made quick work of him the

Again he did give a little bit of difficulty in the fight however it was not enough to make it anymore then mid diff..

With that being said yeah I am sorry bro I fail to see how someone who exerts all their physical prowess (or Go all out) would defeat someone at mid difficulty. If they had to go all out in the first place it wasn't a mid difficulty fight to begin with.

As for g4 Nd 2nd speed they are more then enough to match dog tooth its just the observation haki and luffy stupidity

A lot of people forget tbat luffy is very straigjt forward in everyfhing and thT includes fighting

Thats why i still believe even with gear 4th him and law are pretyy close with luffy having a noticble edge (due to g4). Time and time again luffy has shown he could be outsmarted. Which is why intelligent fighters give him a hard time. In my opinion luffy would defeat law no less than high difficulty because of how smart of a fighter law is and how complex his fruit is. Actually law and luffy ki Nd of represent my feelings towards dog tooth and doffy in terms of strength (only difference is that I am basing 90% of my opinion on dog tooth hype alone. That first mate life lol)

however going back to dog tooth, he is literally doing what trebol did just with more slime (different substance) and observation haki hell we even seen enel use this method via matera when he used haki to predict where people would try to attack him (he just didn't use it in conjunction with his fruit)

 

[Skull Knight]

And that has what to do with the concept that Doffy could withstand Kata's attack like he did G4? Showing stats above Doffy aren't the issue, his stats need to be above G4 and significantly at that. Honestly I'm not even sure how to reply to most of this since you keep bringing up side info you want to talk about like Luffy vs Cracker.

Doffy's stats were not above G4. He was thrown one place to another when Luffy used G4.
I brought Cracker because he already survived G4 and still manage to fight 11 hours.

I love how you disregard the topic of the sentence to take issue with an aspect you find easier to argue, did I mention Jinbei to Luffy?

Yes u did mentioned Jinbei. Dont try to act smart.

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Do you seriously believe Kata is mid diffing a top tier Shichibukai? Is he mid diffing Kuma, Jinbei and Mihawk too?

Bar G4 they are at comparable levels with Luffy just recently definitively surpassing him. Jinbei would also have an advantage in this fight that Luffy doesn't in his ability to dissolve the mochi. Kata's not mid diffing Doffy when he can't mid dif Luffy.

Kata got superior haki. He doesn't need his mochi abilities to fight Jinbei.

He wasn't in G4 the whole 11 hours so what's your point? And he was only able to sustain G4 use against Cracker because of the biscuits. Luffy would expend G4, Nami would make biscuits soggy, Luffy would eat them then reboost G4 rinse and repeat. And Cracker himself barely fought and when he did was finished with one real attack. We also have no evidence that Luffy exhausted himself during the Cracker fight like he did with Doffy. So what does this have to do with the topics we were discussing? Are you attempting to imply Doffy didn't endure a full G4? That's what it feels like you're trying to say without saying, just come out and say what you're getting at.

I asked u a simple question How long did the Doffy- Luffy duel lasted??? It was almost an hour long fight(u agree). In which Luffy was already exhausted because he used G4 and fought some fodders.

Cracker vs Luffy
It was 11some hour fight. Before starting the fight Luffy fought some fodders in that forest. When Cracker showed up he used all his gears and still the fight continued.
It doesn't matter what Luffy was fighting as biscuit soldiers count as Cracker's strength. It took a g4 hits to break those soldiers and Luffy needs to eat those biscuits continuosly(which gave some strength back to Luffy).. Another thing is that Luffy need to show a new form to beat Cracker. So basically Cracker withstand 2 G4 periods(maybe he survived more because the entire fight was not shown). Now if somebody like Cracker can stand 2 G4 periods u seriously think Kata can't???

You seem to be having a hard time discerning between fact and theory so let me try to break it down for you. I never said Shanks had a D in his name I said we don't know his lineage so you're assertion that he has no strong lineage is BS.

U know what's BS is u continuously writing the same thing about lineage, genes blah blah blah. It was never shown that lineage played an important role in the series. Even the guys who carry D in their name has said to be carrying strong "will" nothing else. Example: Saul(who has D in his name) lost to Aokiji(who has no special lineage). Ace who was a pure breed has never displayed any superior haki feat.

I didn't say being a Tenryubito automatically grants that he's above them but opens the door that he could possess Conq. on comparable or possibly higher levels due to family similarly to how Luffy will due to his D lineage.

Whose theory is this that lineage grants u special haki???
It was never shown, never hinted and never mentioned that being a pure breed gives u an edge over Yonkos, Admirals or whatever.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doffy's stats were not above G4. He was thrown one place to another when Luffy used G4.
I brought Cracker because he already survived G4 and still manage to fight 11 hours.

I didn't say his stats were above G4.

Yes u did mentioned Jinbei. Dont try to act smart.

Didn't say I didn't mention him I said I didn't compare him to Luffy, which I didn't I compared him to Doffy, Mihawk and Kuma.

Kata got superior haki. He doesn't need his mochi abilities to fight Jinbei.

Well that didn't seem to hep him from not getting partially dissolved at the wedding so...

I asked u a simple question How long did the Doffy- Luffy duel lasted??? It was almost an hour long fight(u agree). In which Luffy was already exhausted because he used G4 and fought some fodders.

And I asked you what does that have to do with Kata needing to produce force greater than a G4 session in order to ensure he could put Doffy down.

Cracker vs Luffy
It was 11some hour fight. Before starting the fight Luffy fought some fodders in that forest. When Cracker showed up he used all his gears and still the fight continued.
It doesn't matter what Luffy was fighting as biscuit soldiers count as Cracker's strength. It took a g4 hits to break those soldiers and Luffy needs to eat those biscuits continuosly(which gave some strength back to Luffy).. Another thing is that Luffy need to show a new form to beat Cracker. So basically Cracker withstand 2 G4 periods(maybe he survived more because the entire fight was not shown). Now if somebody like Cracker can stand 2 G4 periods u seriously think Kata can't???

I don't know what you're not getting, Cracker avoided G4 for 11 hours with his biscuits, as soon as he fought G4 with his body he lost. Plus I'm not talking about whether Kata can survive G4 so why are you? Your points continue to have nothing to do with the points I'm talking about.

U know what's BS is u continuously writing the same thing about lineage, genes blah blah blah. It was never shown that lineage played an important role in the series. Even the guys who carry D in their name has said to be carrying strong "will" nothing else. Example: Saul(who has D in his name) lost to Aokiji(who has no special lineage). Ace who was a pure breed has never displayed any superior haki feat.


Whose theory is this that lineage grants u special haki???
It was never shown, never hinted and never mentioned that being a pure breed gives u an edge over Yonkos, Admirals or whatever.

Right cus Rogers genes weren't so important the WG tried to wipe them from the Earth, same with the Oharans and the D family. The Vinsmokes who worked with Vegapunk focus on genetic engineering and cloning. You seem to think being a part of the lineage automatically grants you God status.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ummm going all out is literally high diff

Someone who got mid diffed in this series has been smoker.against law.

Smoker gave law a little bit of a fight but nothing law couldn't handle. He didn't even have to use majority of his attacks In that instance and made quick work of him the

Again he did give a little bit of difficulty in the fight however it was not enough to make it anymore then mid diff..

With that being said yeah I am sorry bro I fail to see how someone who exerts all their physical prowess (or Go all out) would defeat someone at mid difficulty. If they had to go all out in the first place it wasn't a mid difficulty fight to begin with.

As for g4 Nd 2nd speed they are more then enough to match dog tooth its just the observation haki and luffy stupidity

A lot of people forget tbat luffy is very straigjt forward in everyfhing and thT includes fighting

Thats why i still believe even with gear 4th him and law are pretyy close with luffy having a noticble edge (due to g4). Time and time again luffy has shown he could be outsmarted. Which is why intelligent fighters give him a hard time. In my opinion luffy would defeat law no less than high difficulty because of how smart of a fighter law is and how complex his fruit is. Actually law and luffy ki Nd of represent my feelings towards dog tooth and doffy in terms of strength (only difference is that I am basing 90% of my opinion on dog tooth hype alone. That first mate life lol)

Not in my book. He'll be the one applying pressure the whole fight, and he'll have to give it his all on offense. Doesn't mean anything as long as it doesn't put a strain on him.

For example if Doflamingo uses awakening to defeat an opponent and he stomps him with it, does that automatically make it a high diff just because he had to use his full arsenal? Not how it works.

however going back to dog tooth, he is literally doing what trebol did just with more slime (different substance) and observation haki hell we even seen enel use this method via matera when he used haki to predict where people would try to attack him (he just didn't use it in conjunction with his fruit)

Wtf are you talking about? Trebol just happened to avoid attacks because he was skinny, this is nothing like Trebol, he is just creating holes in his body where he is attacked. He is doing what Kuzan did against WB

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, that's thanks to his haki prowess, a trained ability which is available for everyone in this series, but he is one of the few who brought it to this level.

 

[Skull Knight]

I didn't say his stats were above G4.

So why are u posting that Kata needs to show his stats above G4 that will prove Kata is above Doffy.

Didn't say I didn't mention him I said I didn't compare him to Luffy, which I didn't I compared him to Doffy, Mihawk and Kuma.

U clearly asked Can Kata mid diff Jinbei???

Well that didn't seem to hep him from not getting partially dissolved at the wedding so...

We all know how things turned out at Wedding.
Both parties planned failed.
BM destroyed Capone.
Kata defeated Ichiji
and everybody is now running.

And I asked you what does that have to do with Kata needing to produce force greater than a G4 session in order to ensure he could put Doffy down.

His superior armament stopped Luffy's attacked whereas Doffy was tossed all around Dressrosa.

I don't know what you're not getting, Cracker avoided G4 for 11 hours with his biscuits, as soon as he fought G4 with his body he lost. Plus I'm not talking about whether Kata can survive G4 so why are you? Your points continue to have nothing to do with the points I'm talking about.

What makes u think cracker avoided G4 ???
He was already hit by G4 punch at the start of the fight

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and attacked him when he was not hiding in his biscuit

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Cracker clearly said Luffy made a strategy(fight-run-eat repeat).

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U can also see bruises Cracker got which indicates he wasn't hiding behind his soldiers.
His defeat was similar to Doffy. Both charged towards Luffy and the sheer pressure of G4 send them flying.

Right cus Rogers genes weren't so important the WG tried to wipe them from the Earth, same with the Oharans and the D family. The Vinsmokes who worked with Vegapunk focus on genetic engineering and cloning. You seem to think being a part of the lineage automatically grants you God status.

Yeah right WG fears D so much that they were ready to give Admiral title to one of the guy who had D in his name. Wait there was another D who got VA rank.
That's not the reason why WG destroyed Oharans or Law's country men. They thought they were threat to them as they can disclose void history or how WG exploited other countries for their own benefit.
Roger's case was different. He knew a lot regarding Void history and they feared he might have disclosed some of it to his wife. Nothing to do with lineage or stuff like he was a D.
And why are u changing the subject?
I already told u only thing that D grants so far is "will" that's why it was pointed that these guys carry will of D.
Nothing like that is said for Celestial Dragons. So your analogy that Doffy's Conqueror Haki can be greater than BM's is nothing but baseless and utter BS at this point.

 

[chopstickchakra]

So why are u posting that Kata needs to show his stats above G4 that will prove Kata is above Doffy.

Because we saw G4 fail to put Doffy down so if Kata is going to be able to do so(at mid diff no less) than he needs to show a physical force that exceeds G4. If Kata doesn't have something that packs a bigger punch than G4 than as we've seen in the manga it's possible(likely) Doffy would get up before a finishing blow.

U clearly asked Can Kata mid diff Jinbei???

Alright you seem to refuse or be unable to stay on point so I'm done going back and forth with you. Becuase you said Kata can mid diff Doffy, can you really not see how that's a comparison of Doffy and Jinbei? I never mentioned Jinbei to Luffy, you did. I brought up Jinbei because he's a high level Shichibukai like Doffy.

We all know how things turned out at Wedding.
Both parties planned failed.
BM destroyed Capone.
Kata defeated Ichiji
and everybody is now running.

And Jinbei dissolved part of Kata's mochi when he was trapping Luffy, your point?

His superior armament stopped Luffy's attacked whereas Doffy was tossed all around Dressrosa.

That has no relation to having more firepower than G4. Kata holding up against G4 better than Doffy doesn't support he has stronger force than G4.

What makes u think cracker avoided G4 ???
He was already hit by G4 punch at the start of the fight

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His quote about pain, his fighting style of hiding in a biscuit and using them as his primary method, the fact that one G4 connect and the fight ended. What makes youo think Cracker didn't avoid G4 with his real body that fight? That's not Cracker that's his biscuit, cracker falls out of the biscuit but nothing in that picture indicates he took that G4 punch with his real body. When Cracker came out of a biscuit the first time it broke at the waist and he popped up from under that(as if he were in the legs) so don't try to say "he had to have been hit Luffy punched right int he center"

and attacked him when he was not hiding in his biscuit

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He's literally popping out from hiding in the biscuit and catching Luffy with a surprise attack lol.

Cracker clearly said Luffy made a strategy(fight-run-eat repeat).

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U can also see bruises Cracker got which indicates he wasn't hiding behind his soldiers.
His defeat was similar to Doffy. Both charged towards Luffy and the sheer pressure of G4 send them flying.

And Luffy's not in G4 in those panels we see Cracker being offensive is he?

Yeah right WG fears D so much that they were ready to give Admiral title to one of the guy who had D in his name. Wait there was another D who got VA rank.

Somebody's never heard the saying keep your friends close, your enemies closer" it seems. You're also still operating under this misconception that I'm claiming it automatically grants you God level at birth.

That's not the reason why WG destroyed Oharans or Law's country men. They thought they were threat to them as they can disclose void history or how WG exploited other countries for their own benefit.
Roger's case was different. He knew a lot regarding Void history and they feared he might have disclosed some of it to his wife. Nothing to do with lineage or stuff like he was a D.

Are you serious? So that's why at MF they kept saying things like the blood of the PK must be wiped out here. Gotchya.

And why are u changing the subject?
I already told u only thing that D grants so far is "will" that's why it was pointed that these guys carry will of D.
Nothing like that is said for Celestial Dragons. So your analogy that Doffy's Conqueror Haki can be greater than BM's is nothing but baseless and utter BS at this point.

How am I changing the subject, You said genes don't matter so I started talking about examples in the manga that imply genes do matter? I didn't say anything about Law's country men, for Christ's sake stay on topic. And no genetics weren't the reason they killed the Oharans but the point was they killed ALL the Oharans, any one with the genetic make up of an Oharan they want to kill. The celestial dragons are directly connected to the D family as the original country kings who went on to found the WG, do you really think there won't be a single family within them isn't a foil to the D family?

 

[Skull Knight]

Because we saw G4 fail to put Doffy down so if Kata is going to be able to do so(at mid diff no less) than he needs to show a physical force that exceeds G4. If Kata doesn't have something that packs a bigger punch than G4 than as we've seen in the manga it's possible(likely) Doffy would get up before a finishing blow.

Congrats G4 failed to put Kata down as well as Cracker down.
U want Kata beat G4 Luffy. Seriously did doffy beat G4 Luffy???

Alright you seem to refuse or be unable to stay on point so I'm done going back and forth with you. Becuase you said Kata can mid diff Doffy, can you really not see how that's a comparison of Doffy and Jinbei? I never mentioned Jinbei to Luffy, you did. I brought up Jinbei because he's a high level Shichibukai like Doffy.

Go read your own post. U asked clearly CAN KATA MID DIFF JINBEI???

And Jinbei dissolved part of Kata's mochi when he was trapping Luffy, your point?

So what??? Isn't he running away???

That has no relation to having more firepower than G4. Kata holding up against G4 better than Doffy doesn't support he has stronger force than G4.

Yes it does.

His quote about pain, his fighting style of hiding in a biscuit and using them as his primary method, the fact that one G4 connect and the fight ended. What makes youo think Cracker didn't avoid G4 with his real body that fight? That's not Cracker that's his biscuit, cracker falls out of the biscuit but nothing in that picture indicates he took that G4 punch with his real body. When Cracker came out of a biscuit the first time it broke at the waist and he popped up from under that(as if he were in the legs) so don't try to say "he had to have been hit Luffy punched right int he center"

Watch the pic again. Blood was coming out from the biscuit soldiers.

He's literally popping out from hiding in the biscuit and catching Luffy with a surprise attack lol.

How many times do I have to write that Biscuit soldiers count as Cracker's strength just like Doffy's clone.

And Luffy's not in G4 in those panels we see Cracker being offensive is he?

Watch the final part of there fight. It was Cracker who directly charged towards G4 Luffy not his soldiers.
U have no proof that entire fight he was hiding behind his soldiers considering the fact that his soldiers became useless once Nami found his weakness.

Somebody's never heard the saying keep your friends close, your enemies closer" it seems. You're also still operating under this misconception that I'm claiming it automatically grants you God level at birth.

Yes u directly implied that Doffy's Conqueror Haki is greater than a Yonkos Conqueror Haki.

Are you serious? So that's why at MF they kept saying things like the blood of the PK must be wiped out here. Gotchya.

At MF Akainu also wants to kill Luffy because his father was Dragon. Does this mean WG wants to wipe Garp's lineage??? Obviously not. They see him as threat who can possibly take after his father. Same thing with Ace.

How am I changing the subject, You said genes don't matter so I started talking about examples in the manga that imply genes do matter? I didn't say anything about Law's country men, for Christ's sake stay on topic. And no genetics weren't the reason they killed the Oharans but the point was they killed ALL the Oharans, any one with the genetic make up of an Oharan they want to kill. The celestial dragons are directly connected to the D family as the original country kings who went on to found the WG, do you really think there won't be a single family within them isn't a foil to the D family?

It was you who claimed stronger genes means stronger Haki which is not true at all. Silver, Shanks, Enel, Fuji, Kata all had strong Haki and no body has any lineage.

 

[OG sama]

Cracker only managed to hurt G4 on one occasion and that was a sneak attack, Doflamingo had Luffy running from his awakened strings while in G4 and managed to make G4 draw blood on one occasion even if the damage was superficial.

Meanwhile Katakuri just straight Overpowered Luffy in G4, well at least his KG level attack’s that is.

As as far as I’m concerned Katakuri is a lot stronger than Doflamingo but Cracker and Doflamingo are on the same level, just two fighters with different methods of attacking and defending.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Cracker only managed to hurt G4 on one occasion and that was a sneak attack, Doflamingo had Luffy running from his awakened strings while in G4 and managed to make G4 draw blood on one occasion even if the damage was superficial.

Meanwhile Katakuri just straight Overpowered Luffy in G4, well at least his KG level attack’s that is.

As as far as I’m concerned Katakuri is a lot stronger than Doflamingo but Cracker and Doflamingo are on the same level, just two fighters with different methods of attacking and defending.

But do you think Kata is a lot stronger than G4 because we saw Doffy withstand G4 so Kata would need to be able to produce a force greater than G4 or be able to sustain his attack longer than G4 but we know he needs a sugar break. My question is do you think Kata has the firepower to keep Doffy down easily before his break even though G4 couldn't?

 

[OG sama]

But do you think Kata is a lot stronger than G4 because we saw Doffy withstand G4 so Kata would need to be able to produce a force greater than G4 or be able to sustain his attack longer than G4 but we know he needs a sugar break. My question is do you think Kata has the firepower to keep Doffy down easily before his break even though G4 couldn't?

How long can Kata go without his break? It’s going to depend on how long he can go without it.

Tbh I doubt Katakuris attack power is a lot greater than G4s but Doflamingo can’t really do anything to Kata regardless of the break.

If he can’t beat him in time he might just immobilize him the same way he did Luffy.

 

[ToshiZO]

What Sugar break? Katakuri only took the break because he defeated Luffy in his book.

It's simply a part of his daily routine, if a fight is interrupting it he's not going to just leave and go on break, only did that with Luffy cause #1 Luffy is the MC and needs all the plot armour he can get, and #2 because he thought he killed Luffy and got impatient with someone clearly weaker than him.

As for Katakuri taking Doflamingo down lmfao is that supposed to be a serious question? Katakuri is beating the shit out of G4 Luffy, and matching his G4 strikes. Doflamingo couldnt scratch G4 so the question should be how is Doflamingo even hurting Katakuri who tanked G4 attacks and moved on like nothing happened regaining his calm immediately despite being caught eating for the first time in his life.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What Sugar break? Katakuri only took the break because he defeated Luffy in his book.

It's simply a part of his daily routine, if a fight is interrupting it he's not going to just leave and go on break, only did that with Luffy cause #1 Luffy is the MC and needs all the plot armour he can get, and #2 because he thought he killed Luffy and got impatient with someone clearly weaker than him.

As for Katakuri taking Doflamingo down lmfao is that supposed to be a serious question? Katakuri is beating the shit out of G4 Luffy, and matching his G4 strikes. Doflamingo couldnt scratch G4 so the question should be how is Doflamingo even hurting Katakuri who tanked G4 attacks and moved on like nothing happened regaining his calm immediately despite being caught eating for the first time in his life.

Did you miss the parts where they said he takes it at the same time each day or when he said himself sugar was the key to his power. Sugar is a key ingredient in Mochi so his mochi powers are reliant on the amount of sugar he ingests and burns like G4 and calories. It doesn't have the drawbacks that G4 does what with the no haki but it seems Kata isn't one of those fighters that can last days on end. Anyway the reason Doffy enduring G4 was brought up was to counter the idea that Kata would mid diff him when Kata's not even mid diffing someone the majority of fans can't agree is >Doffy. If Kata's not mid diffing Luffy, he's not mid diffing Doffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did you miss the parts where they said he takes it at the same time each day or when he said himself sugar was the key to his power. Sugar is a key ingredient in Mochi so his mochi powers are reliant on the amount of sugar he ingests and burns like G4 and calories. It doesn't have the drawbacks that G4 does what with the no haki but it seems Kata isn't one of those fighters that can last days on end. Anyway the reason Doffy enduring G4 was brought up was to counter the idea that Kata would mid diff him when Kata's not even mid diffing someone the majority of fans can't agree is >Doffy. If Kata's not mid diffing Luffy, he's not mid diffing Doffy.

To add to the first part, Katakuri straight up tells Luffy he was only burying him under the Mochi because he didn't want to wait any longer. Katakuri's takes his merienda at the same time every day(explicitly stated), so in any fight that intruded on his time, he would have a limit before he would get frustrated and try to leave.

 

[ToshiZO]

Did you miss the parts where they said he takes it at the same time each day or when he said himself sugar was the key to his power. Sugar is a key ingredient in Mochi so his mochi powers are reliant on the amount of sugar he ingests and burns like G4 and calories. It doesn't have the drawbacks that G4 does what with the no haki but it seems Kata isn't one of those fighters that can last days on end. Anyway the reason Doffy enduring G4 was brought up was to counter the idea that Kata would mid diff him when Kata's not even mid diffing someone the majority of fans can't agree is >Doffy. If Kata's not mid diffing Luffy, he's not mid diffing Doffy.

You're over complicating this, its like any human, you require food for energy. Katakuri just takes his donuts very seriously, it's a routine for him, he's not gonna die without it and he sure as hell is not leaving Doflamingo to go eat, not until he thinks he's finished Doflamingo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're over complicating this, its like any human, you require food for energy. Katakuri just takes his donuts very seriously, it's a routine for him, he's not gonna die without it and he sure as hell is not leaving Doflamingo to go eat, not until he thinks he's finished Doflamingo.

You have it backwards. Katakuri made the decision to leave at that moment, and then decided to launch an attack he thought would finish him. Not the other way around. Pretty much the same thing would happen with Doffy as Chop said.

 

[ToshiZO]

You have it backwards. Katakuri made the decision to leave at that moment, and then decided to launch an attack he thought would finish him. Not the other way around. Pretty much the same thing would happen with Doffy as Chop said.

Yes because he thought the attack was enough, which in most circumstances it would have been enough, he didn't expect someone to be eating through a mountain of mochi. No one but Luffy does shit like that.

Was he impatient? Definitely, will he be impatient with Doflamingo? Maybe, but maybe not if he sees Doflamingo as a bigger threat.

Regardless it doesn't change anything here really, unless you think the scenario will always play out the exact same way it's pointless even trying to incorporate such a situational thing here.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You're over complicating this, its like any human, you require food for energy. Katakuri just takes his donuts very seriously, it's a routine for him, he's not gonna die without it and he sure as hell is not leaving Doflamingo to go eat, not until he thinks he's finished Doflamingo.

No, You're under simplifying it if anything. Kata has been shown as a mirror to Luffy this entire arc, is it really so outlandish to you to consider he also has a time restraint built in to his design? Otherwise he'd be an unlimited Luffy and there's only room in this story for 1 unlimited Luffy lol.

And Kata making the statement could imply that his bigger awakened moves will carry less oomph the lower his sugar levels are, notice we didn't see any of those until after he ate iirc which I may not be.

@bold that's a character trait determined by the author, neither you or me, for all we know he would put the fight on hold for his break if it got too far past his normal break time and the manga indicates he would.