[Discussion] Doflamingo takes a Yonko commander gauntlet

[Punk Hazard]

While I agree with that, Vista isn't cutting diamond unless he has better haki. Now... can any of prove that Vista or Doflamingo have better Haki than Jozu? No, you cant. So by default Jozu wins, imo.

Well, the Diamond on Jozu's arm went away after being trapped by Doffy, but I honestly think Doffy forgot to re-draw the diamond being there. And Crocodile only took a busted face from Jozu's Diamond-Haki combo, so I'd doubt Doffy couldn't take a bunch of those. Doffy could control him to hop into a water source, depending on the terrain.

 

[ToshiZO]

Jozu can't cover his entire body in diamond, so Vista can attack the areas not covered in diamond. Division number doesn't matter in the WB Pirates.

Lol if you believe Vista is even scratching Jozu when an attack that is quite possibly stronger than anything Vista has in his arsenal by the WSS was fended off with zero injury (and he didn't even need full diamond form). We aren't even sure Mihawk can cut Jozu let alone Vista.

I wanna see what argument you can make for Vista even making this fight a low diff.

 

[Yubel]

Jack ain't shit tbh. Doffy could beat him mid-diff imo. He got fodderized off panel by Fujitora and Sengoku.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Jack ain't shit tbh. Doffy could beat him mid-diff imo. He got fodderized off panel by Fujitora and Sengoku.

Yea, a Yonko FM is gonna get mid diffed by Doffy. That makes perfect sense.

 

[Yubel]

Yea, a Yonko FM is gonna get mid diffed by Doffy. That makes perfect sense.

Who ever said Jack was the First Mate of Kaido? Also fyi a Yonko First Mate got low diffed by Sabo so there is that.

 

[Passerby]

Who ever said Jack was the First Mate of Kaido? Also fyi a Yonko First Mate got low diffed by Sabo so there is that.

Burgess isn't the first mate.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Burgess isn't the first mate.

He's as likely the first mate as Jack is. Jack was just said to be one of three calamities, not a first mate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Who ever said Jack was the First Mate of Kaido? Also fyi a Yonko First Mate got low diffed by Sabo so there is that.

One of Jack's subordinates. I think it was Sheepshead.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He's as likely the first mate as Jack is. Jack was just said to be one of three calamities, not a first mate.

So the guy who got low diffed by Sabo, who is Yonko FM level, is as likely a first mate as Jack is? Lol that makes no sense.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So the guy who got low diffed by Sabo, who is Yonko FM level, is as likely a first mate as Jack is? Lol that makes no sense.

Sabo mid diffed Burgess. And I also don't think Burgess is Teach's right hand man. In all probably, it might be Lafitte or Shiryuu.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sabo mid diffed Burgess. And I also don't think Burgess is Teach's right hand man. In all probably, it might be Lafitte or Shiryuu.

Sabo had no injuries, so it was a low diff. Shiryuu is obviously the right hand man since he is the Zoro of the crew.

 

[chopstickchakra]

So the guy who got low diffed by Sabo, who is Yonko FM level, is as likely a first mate as Jack is? Lol that makes no sense.

I don't understand your phrasing. Are you calling Sabo yonko first mate level or Burgess? We've only seen Sabo fight one Yonko crew member so how can Sabo be Yonkou FM level if The man he fought, Burgess, was not a Yonko FM? Burgess has more likelihood of being a first mate over Jack as of now because we don't know anything about Jack or when he joined Kaidou while we do know Burgess was an original BB Pirate. We don't know if either are FM so they are equally as likely. FM doesn't mean strongest it means literally first mate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sabo had no injuries, so it was a low diff. Shiryuu is obviously the right hand man since he is the Zoro of the crew.

Diff isn't just damage. Burgess was tough, so Sabo had to exert himself to actually take him out. That's what makes it mid diff.

And I'm not about to get into this "Zoro is the right hand man of the crew" nonsense again.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Diff isn't just damage. Burgess was tough, so Sabo had to exert himself to actually take him out. That's what makes it mid diff.

And I'm not about to get into this "Zoro is the right hand man of the crew" nonsense again.

It wasn't really that much effort put in either though what was it like 5-6 hits?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I don't understand your phrasing. Are you calling Sabo yonko first mate level or Burgess? We've only seen Sabo fight one Yonko crew member so how can Sabo be Yonkou FM level if The man he fought, Burgess, was not a Yonko FM? Burgess has more likelihood of being a first mate over Jack as of now because we don't know anything about Jack or when he joined Kaidou while we do know Burgess was an original BB Pirate. We don't know if either are FM so they are equally as likely. FM doesn't mean strongest it means literally first mate.

I'm calling Sabo Yonko FM level since he is the #2 of the Revs. So Burgess is more likely to be a Yonko FM than a guy who was called a Yonko FM (Jack). That makes perfect sense...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Diff isn't just damage. Burgess was tough, so Sabo had to exert himself to actually take him out. That's what makes it mid diff.

And I'm not about to get into this "Zoro is the right hand man of the crew" nonsense again.

What makes you think he had to exert himself a lot? We never saw him panting at the end of the fight. Zoro is the 2nd strongest of the SHs, so his parallel within the BB Pirates, Shiryuu, should also be the 2nd strongest.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It wasn't really that much effort put in either though what was it like 5-6 hits?

You saw the entire fight? Cuz, a lot of it was off-paneled.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You saw the entire fight? Cuz, a lot of it was off-paneled.

Do we know there was a lot of action happening off panel it was off panel after all and for the record your retort works the same against your claim so you should try to avoid using it. I'm not basing the difficulty of the fight on the hypothetical panels we didn't see but rather the panels we did see and they suggest an easy victory. Plus the whole time frame of the fight wasn't that long so idk how much we could really expect to happen off panel with what we were shown on panel. The fight felt like Sabo hit him with something he'd stand up Sabo'd hit him he got up for about 5-6 times there was no real push from Burgess. I just don't get any sense of struggle from the fight on Sabo's behalf even if it took a few minutes I don't recall seeing signs of tiring on Sabo no sweat drip no air gasping.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Do we know there was a lot of action happening off panel it was off panel after all and for the record your retort works the same against your claim so you should try to avoid using it. I'm not basing the difficulty of the fight on the hypothetical panels we didn't see but rather the panels we did see and they suggest an easy victory. Plus the whole time frame of the fight wasn't that long so idk how much we could really expect to happen off panel with what we were shown on panel. The fight felt like Sabo hit him with something he'd stand up Sabo'd hit him he got up for about 5-6 times there was no real push from Burgess. I just don't get any sense of struggle from the fight on Sabo's behalf even if it took a few minutes I don't recall seeing signs of tiring on Sabo no sweat drip no air gasping.

Mid diff doesn't mean it wasn't easy.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm calling Sabo Yonko FM level since he is the #2 of the Revs. So Burgess is more likely to be a Yonko FM than a guy who was called a Yonko FM (Jack). That makes perfect sense...

Jack was never called a First Mate he was called one of the Three Calamities. Please show me where Jack was named First Mate already.