Does Ukon have infinite potential?

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Within practical meaning, of course

Looking at the Sound Gate Guardians, they were pretty powerful. One notices that they were introduced in order of decreasing physical prowess and increasing specialisation of abilities. Jirobo is pure brute force, followed by Kidomaru with his six arms and armour, then Sakon and Ukon with their merging and finally Tayuya who simply delegates physical combat to her summons. Conversely, Jirobo uses Earth Style which is pretty normal for advanced shinobi, Kidomaru has what may be an bloodline inheritance with his Golden Silk and carries a non-elemental summon, Sakon and Ukon use special body modification and possess a special, non-living summon in the Rashomon Gate and Tayuya uses multiple summons and "the most troublesome" illusions.

However, as Gaara noted against Kimimarou, its not just what you have but how you use it that matters. It is because of that that Sakon and Ukon, sitting in the middle of both power and specialisation levels in the group, are probably the strongest.

In direct battle Kidomaru may be superior with his range and variety, but when one considers the full shinobi life Kabuto and Orochimaru may have been correct with their assessment. See, shinobi do not just do direct battle (fittingly, the entire period of their panel time involves skewed circumstances), but spying and so on. Indeed, Ukon himself said he was an assassination specialist.

While arguements of their general abilities can show them to be within reach of being the strongest, I think its better to just show how they are within range of being far beyond that that will best argue for them being the strongest. Arguing that Usain Bolt could beat a cheetah present a better arguement of him being faster than any other person than to argue the latter directly, see.

Looking at their power, it can be applied better than any of the others. When they enter into any person, they can not only contest them directly but indirectly. In the game of assassination, where most opponents wouldn't know what to look out for (even in direct fights such as Kakashi vs Zabuza, this was the case), Ukon is practically unstoppable. The first issue is that he can enter the body of the opponent and force a physical contest while he himself has no natural physical movement limitations. He can move and attack almost any part of the opponent while they can only block specific directions. Its practically impossible to block a strike to your back, FROM your back no matter how you turn. The second issue is that even for those with healing or strong defences, he can attack continuously or manifest his hands inside their brains to bypass those powers. The third issue is that his approach is practically unstoppable without prior knowledge AND special shields like energy cloaks. So even against the likes of Naruto, he could manifest inside them before they activate their cloaks. This means that in any scenario without knowledge, Ukon is basically unstoppable. Even with some knowledge, only specific counters like an energy release from a beast host could stop him. Otherwise, there is basically no level limit to who Ukon could kill.

In terms of the others, they have counters that are far too normal. Jirobo is easily countered by other elements and keeping range. Kidomaru is matched by sensing and simply being stronger than his attacks. Tayuya could possibly guarantee a win if she surrounded an opponent with her Ethereal Worms, but there is a chance that explosives (everyone carries tags) could clear them. Even if not, she cannot approach without alarming the opponent and the worms do start with very limited speed.

So in terms of application, Sakon and Ukon have the highest level range for beating targets, outside of those with natural counters of course. Perhaps it was to ward them off that Orochimaru made his own blood poisonous.

What say you?
 
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I think the lack of exposure to the limits Ukon's abilities makes it seems more broken than it actually is, but there are several limits that are implied in his fight with Kiba that make it more contained of an ability.

" He can move and attack almost any part of the opponent while they can only block specific directions. Its practically impossible to block a strike to your back, FROM your back no matter how you turn."
While he's merged with his target's body, he could technically attack from any direction, but the implication with his ability is that he suffers from any pain his target does while merged, which is why he only tries to subdue any attempts of his target resisting/fighting back so his protein manipulation can work it's magic.

limitation 1: He can't physically harm is target without harming himself

It's stated Ukon can only take control of portions of his target's body. During his fight with Kiba, when Kiba realized Ukon merged into him, he went for a punch, Ukon reacted, and blocked it with an arm he formed in Kiba's back and restrained him. This means the target's speed and strength remains independent of Ukon. It isn't stated anywhere whether or not Ukon's abilities work where whatever pain his target experiences, he experiences, and vice versa, so from Ukon's attempt to block it can be assumed the ability doesn't work both ways and if Ukon's target is fast enough or strong enough, they'd be able to kill Ukon with a swift attack.
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You could assume that it does work vice versa, and say Ukon was only blocking the punch just to avoid any unnecessary damage to himself, but you'd need more evidence to support it working vice versa, than to say it only works one way, so I'm going to go with the more supported assumption that Ukon is vulnerable to attacks while merged with his target.

limitation 2: Ukon can't control his entire target's body, meaning his opponent can retaliate if they're faster.
limitation 3: he's not impervious to attacks from his target



Ukon's KG protein manipulation is a gradual corrosion of protein, not immediate, which is another massive limitation. We dont know how long it takes for Ukon to corrode his target to a point that's lethal, which means his targets have time to think of a counter, react, and retaliate. Kiba isn't the brightest or strongest character, but he was smart enough to intuit that since he and Ukon shared the same body, Ukon would be subject to the experiences of his body. Kiba had no prior experience, and Ukon's little monologue explaining what exactly he was doing to Kiba gave him no hints as to how he could escape the situation. If a character as fodder tier as Kiba is smart enough to figure out Ukon's counter, most notable ninja in the naruto world would be able to as well.

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limitation 4: protein corrosion is gradual

With all that in mind, Ukon's KG only takes him so far, being limited by his own speed and strength, and still having to over come the speed, strength, and intelligence of his target. So hypothetically if Ukon merged himself with say 4GNW Sakura (avoiding naruto because of kurama, and sasuke because of potential genjutsu shenanigan's), Sakura could easily OHKO Ukon with no prior knowledge of what he's doing or how he's doing it.
 
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his protein manipulation can work it's magic.

limitation 1: He can't physically harm is target without harming himself
The pink is the key factor.

If he can't attack without suiciding,then how exactly do you think he kills opponents, seeing as he is an assassination specialist?
 

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The pink is the key factor.

If he can't attack without suiciding, then how exactly do you think he kills opponents, seeing as he is an assassination specialist?
Yeah, and Ukon seem shocked when Kiba tried to kill himself while he was inside his body, so it means it was the first someone has tried it.

It must mean sneaking (without them knowing) of assassination.
 

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Yeah, and Ukon seem shocked when Kiba tried to kill himself while he was inside his body, so it means it was the first someone has tried it.

It must mean sneaking (without them knowing) of assassination.
The way I see it, its only the currently merged parts that are vulnerable. So if Ukon simply emits his torso outside the opponent, then they can't attack it through their own torso. So he probably just stabs them in their head or neck while his own is emerged outside the opponent.
 

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The way I see it, its only the currently merged parts that are vulnerable. So if Ukon simply emits his torso outside the opponent, then they can't attack it through their own torso. So he probably just stabs them in their head or neck while his own is emerged outside the opponent.
But how would he get that attack off if theyre reaction speed is greater? And wouldn't he still need to be concerned with counter attacks like with kiba and his punch? Like, do u think if ukon managed to insert himself into let's say, the 5th raikage's body, that that's an immediate gg bc he can pop out and stab him (assuming the raikage is vulnerable to kunai attacks)

I really think all being able to jump into other ppls body does is turn a mid to long range fight into an extremely close range fight. Ukon still has to restrain his target, and be wary of counter attacks while his passive ability takes effect. And Kiba being as weak as he is bodied him. lol
 
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But how would he get that attack off if theyre reaction speed is greater? And wouldn't he still need to be concerned with counter attacks like with kiba and his punch? Like, do u think if ukon managed to insert himself into let's say, the 5th raikage's body, that that's an immediate gg bc he can pop out and stab him (assuming the raikage is vulnerable to kunai attacks)

I really think all being able to jump into other ppls body does is turn a mid to long range fight into an extremely close range fight. Ukon still has to restrain his target, and be wary of counter attacks while his passive ability takes effect. And Kiba being as weak as he is bodied him. lol
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But how would he get that attack off if theyre reaction speed is greater? And wouldn't he still need to be concerned with counter attacks like with kiba and his punch? Like, do u think if ukon managed to insert himself into let's say, the 5th raikage's body, that that's an immediate gg bc he can pop out and stab him (assuming the raikage is vulnerable to kunai attacks)

I really think all being able to jump into other ppls body does is turn a mid to long range fight into an extremely close range fight. Ukon still has to restrain his target, and be wary of counter attacks while his passive ability takes effect. And Kiba being as weak as he is bodied him. lol
If the opponent is already fully aware of him, then yes they could outspeed him.

Mind you, they also have to be flexible. If Ukon emerges behind their head or back, they may genuinely not be able to reach him and stop him

As for counterattacks, he can simply emerge the targetted body part before the opponent can stab it. Remember that he was simply shocked by Kiba having the resolve to do such. Without the shock, he would emerge in time. The reactions against Fang Over Fang and the combined punches by Sakon show that the activation speed of the emergence is practically instantaneous.

Otherwise, remember that the idea works with secret merging and emerging best.

Even giving the opponent awareness, restraint is unnecessary if Ukon goes straight for the kill. Emerging his head only (behind the opponent) and emerging his hand inside the brain of the opponent is practically instantaneous.

Kiba shocked him, and as we know Will of Fire is supposed to be an immense thing.

I still am not sure what you understand his "passive ability" to work like.
 
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