Does Sasuke need Sharingan to land Chidori?

[Rikodou Mode]

His body is naturally on par with Tobirama's when it comes to speed. He only needs Sharingan against people like Ay who can dodge chidori, otherwise base mode > fodder.

 

[Transcendence]

He can use it without his Sharingan, but the problem is, with Chidori being such a direct attack by nature (the whole piercing portion and it being that direct) against someone with decent or above average reflexes, if the Sharingan isn't involved, it would be harder to maneuver while trying to land the Chidori. That's why Kakashi who has worse reflexes than Sasuke, needed the Sharingan to actually fully develop Raikiri/Chidori. Sasuke can still use it, but anybody with decent reflexes isn't getting hit by it any time soon.

 

[Char Aznable]

He can use it without his Sharingan, but the problem is, with Chidori being such a direct attack by nature (the whole piercing portion and it being that direct) against someone with decent or above average reflexes, if the Sharingan isn't involved, it would be harder to maneuver while trying to land the Chidori. That's why Kakashi who has worse reflexes than Sasuke, needed the Sharingan to actually fully develop Raikiri/Chidori. Sasuke can still use it, but anybody with decent reflexes isn't getting hit by it any time soon.

Even old man Danzo.
Though he's admittedly kage level.

 

[To Whatever]

Let's see, your first three examples are so irrelevant that it's not even funny.

- Part I Sasuke - Irrelevant example.
- Part I Sasuke - Irrelevant example.
- Part II Sasuke using Kenjutsu only - Irrelevant example, or the most irrelevant of all, as he was pushing Madara back, so Pre-Cog usage to feign some kind of edge in argument here isn't even doing you any good. If only you had paid attention to the prefix, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, given that no attack was coming from Madara. Do you even know what PRE means? I mean, if it put before cognition?

By the way, where is that Chidori usage?

Right, which is why he stated later to Hachibi that Sauske was the strongest opponent he ever fought? Let's see you wriggle around that one. Also, read the manga properly, given that this Sasuke never healed his injuries, a fact repeated quite a few times even before and after the fight. So, what am I exactly looking for here? A Suigetsu saying he himself can't read his movements or the entire page of Sharingan-less sparing you missed a page back? Might want to turn it. Just for fun's sake.

Jesus christ. You're literally too dense to talk to. How is it irrelevant when they're explicitly showing the effects of Sharingan?

It's not just precog, it allows him to read even the most subtle actions of his opponent to understand their next movement and act upon it accordingly. I makes him incredibly aware of his surroundings and pretty much eliminates any form of Tunnel vision. Something that keeps chidori from being viable to those of equal skill.

I guess by your logic, Sasuke can chidori Kaguya, Madara and many others in base mode.(Which is stupid)

I mean i'd love to see a panel of Sasuke's chidori hitting a top tier shinobi outside of Sharingan.\


I honestly don't know why I expected anything more from you. Hell, Dantee even agreed with this fact.

 

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[shelke]

Jesus christ. You're literally too dense to talk to. How is it irrelevant when they're explicitly showing the effects of Sharingan?

It's not just precog, it allows him to read even the most subtle actions of his opponent to understand their next movement and act upon it accordingly. I makes him incredibly aware of his surroundings and pretty much eliminates any form of Tunnel vision. Something that keeps chidori from being viable to those of equal skill.

I guess by your logic, Sasuke can chidori Kaguya, Madara and many others in base mode.(Which is stupid)

I mean i'd love to see a panel of Sasuke's chidori hitting a top tier shinobi outside of Sharingan.\


I honestly don't know why I expected anything more from you. Hell, Dantee even agreed with this fact.

It's irrelevant because of the portion of the manga involved, and then you are pretending to be all smart and calling us lowly folks, dense. Then you have no Chidori involved. That's two things going against you.

The rest of your baseless post is irrelevant and pointless and doesn't concern me, given the complete lack of facts and your typical presumptuous nature, when the said argument is unsupported by the manga. It makes it a matter of speculation. Who agreed with you and who didn't, again, not my problem, when you are using this typical proclivity for fishing agreements to win arguments.

What was that witless insult again?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's irrelevant because of the portion of the manga involved, and then you are pretending to be all smart and calling us lowly folks, dense. Then you have no Chidori involved. That's two things going against you.

The rest of your baseless post is irrelevant and pointless and doesn't concern me, given the complete lack of facts and your typical presumptuous nature, when the said argument is unsupported by the manga. It makes it a matter of speculation. Who agreed with you and who didn't, again, not my problem, when you are using this typical proclivity for fishing agreements to win arguments.

What was that witless insult again?

What's the debate tho? Can you show a top tier (heck even mid tier) shinobi that got tagged by sasuke's base chidori?
Naruto countered it
danzo flat out side stepped it.
Kakashi countered it
etc
etc
etc.

 

[To Whatever]

It's irrelevant because of the portion of the manga involved, and then you are pretending to be all smart and calling us lowly folks, dense. Then you have no Chidori involved. That's two things going against you.

The rest of your baseless post is irrelevant and pointless and doesn't concern me, given the complete lack of facts and your typical presumptuous nature, when the said argument is unsupported by the manga. It makes it a matter of speculation. Who agreed with you and who didn't, again, not my problem, when you are using this typical proclivity for fishing agreements to win arguments.

What was that witless insult again?

show me a panel of sharinganless Sasuke landing a hit on a top tier shinobi.

Plz

 

[shelke]

What's the debate tho? Can you show a top tier (heck even mid tier) shinobi that got tagged by sasuke's base chidori?
Naruto countered it
danzo flat out side stepped it.
Kakashi countered it
etc
etc
etc.

- Blind Sasuke matched a perfectly healthy Naruto. The other incident is irrelevant, given how he was on his last leg.
- An exhausted Sasuke that had spammed the hell out of MS's very taxing techniques.
- Where? The one where he targeted Sakura and Kakashi stopped him? Or something I am missing here?

What etc etc etc? So really, what's this debate though? But come on, I mean, after Kakashi got dragged through mud after his heartfelt confession on where he actually lies without Shairngan ... this was expected, hence the agreement with the thread starter.

show me a panel of sharinganless Sasuke landing a hit on a top tier shinobi.

Plz

Show me a page where a perfectly healthy Sasuke didn't. If you really want to play this game. Let's see those scans. Without them, still an assumption.

 

[To Whatever]

- Blind Sasuke matched a perfectly healthy Naruto. The other incident is irrelevant, given how he was on his last leg.
- An exhausted Sasuke that had spammed the hell out of MS's very taxing techniques.
- Where? The one where he targeted Sakura and Kakashi stopped him? Or something I am missing here?

What etc etc etc? So really, what's this debate though? But come on, I mean, after Kakashi got dragged through mud after his heartfelt confession on where he actually lies without Shairngan ... this was expected, hence the agreement with the thread starter.



Show me a page where a perfectly healthy Sasuke didn't. If you really want to play this game. Let's see those scans. Without them, still an assumption.

It's not an assumption. The scans prove it. He needs sharingan's benefits to land chidori on high tier ninjas. Without sharingan, he can't avoid counter attacks.

You're basically saying Base Sasuke has the precog and reactions of an EMS sasuke which is bullshit.

We all know he'll never hit people like Naruto or Madara without sharingan. He'd get countered or dodged.

You talk about how tired he was in the kage summit or the last fight when you know damn well that with the same conditions with the only exception being that his Sharingan is active, even at 3T, none of those counters wouldn't of went in their favor.

You cant show a panel of Sasuke 100% landing chidori without sharingan on a high tier shinobi because he knows better.

Just like you won't see Naruto using Rasengan on someone unless he has the drop on them.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

- Blind Sasuke matched a perfectly healthy Naruto.

No he didn't. He aimed for kakashi. Naruto held kakashi back. And naruto countered it. The normal response would be for sasuke to duck his rasengan like he did ay's elbow.

The other incident is irrelevant, given how he was on his last leg

No he wasn't he just got his chakra replenished by karin. Where as danzo was not only exhausted but was missing an arm. If anything its in sasuke's favor not Danzo's.

- An exhausted Sasuke that had spammed the hell out of MS's very taxing techniques.

Yeah no, if you're still talking about sasuke vs danzo they both were worn but sasuke just got chakra from karin. So it was mitigated on his part. Danzo received no such luxury.

- Where? The one where he targeted Sakura and Kakashi stopped him?

isn't that the same thing that happen with kakashi.
Sasuke targeted kakashi and Naruto stopped him? Yet you're treating equal situations differently?

Or something I am missing here?

u said it not me.

What etc etc etc? So really, what's this debate though?

All the other times he admits to needing it?

But come on, I mean, after Kakashi got dragged through mud after his heartfelt confession on where he actually lies without Shairngan ... this was expected, hence the agreement with the thread starter.

yes. Kakashi, Minato , and Sasuke know full well the mechanics and requirements for chidori. Sharingan is one of them.

 

[shelke]

It's not an assumption. The scans prove it. He needs sharingan's benefits to land chidori on high tier ninjas. Without sharingan, he can't avoid counter attacks.

You're basically saying Base Sasuke has the precog and reactions of an EMS sasuke which is bullshit.

We all know he'll never hit people like Naruto or Madara without sharingan. He'd get countered or dodged.

You talk about how tired he was in the kage summit or the last fight when you know damn well that with the same conditions with the only exception being that if he had his Sharingan active, even if it was 3T, none of those counters wouldn't of went in their favor.

You cant show a panel of Sasuke 100% landing chidori without sharingan on a high tier shinobi because he knows better.

Just like you won't see Naruto using Rasengan on someone unless he has the drop on them.

Your arguments are still absurd. Base Sasuke would have the same speed and reflex reaction as EMS Sasuke - if we are talking about EMS version - given that Sasuke went through a speed boost when he got EMS. Before that, his speed was the same in part II. So this argument has nothing to do with Chidori, again. It's like suggesting that Rinnegan Sasuke - who blitzed Madara with pure foot speed - would have been somehow slower without Sharingan.

You are throwing a hodgepodge of absurdities at me, and hoping to hit the mark, when none of it is correct. We all know what? I don't give a slightest amount of damn about what you, or those all idiots know when it isn't in the manga. So keep this ludicrous argument 'Oh no, we aaaallll know' to yourself, as guess what? This isn't a damn argument, it's your self-conceived poor quality fiction, when the manga has established the exact opposite - Sasuke using Chidori with finesse without Sharingan, despite being completely exhausted.

So let's not fall back on 'we allll know' as some kind of earth shattering manga evidence backed argument. You sound absurd and immature. Then let's back up; where is the counter evidence other than your claims? Oh wait, there isn't any. But hey, 'we alllll know.'

No he didn't. He aimed for kakashi. Naruto held kakashi back. And naruto countered it. The normal response would be for sasuke to duck his rasengan like he did ay's elbow.
No he wasn't he just got his chakra replenished by karin. Where as danzo was not only exhausted but was missing an arm. If anything its in sasuke's favor not Danzo's.
Yeah no, if you're still talking about sasuke vs danzo they both were worn but sasuke just got chakra from karin. So it was mitigated on his part. Danzo received no such luxury.
isn't that the same thing that happen with kakashi.
Sasuke targeted kakashi and Naruto stopped him? Yet you're treating equal situations differently?
u said it not me.

All the other times he admits to needing it?
yes. Kakashi, Minato , and Sasuke know full well the mechanics and requirements for chidori. Sharingan is one of them.

- So he ran at Naruto afterwards and perfectly countered it? Okay, good to know.

- Better read the manga as to what Karin herself states.

- Same as above.

- So two opponents are involved and not one against an exhausted guy? Is this even an argument?

- Admits to what?

- Funny, the manga has shown otherwise. No matter how many times you say it, Kakashi was just completely useless without it.

 

[To Whatever]

Your arguments are still absurd. Base Sasuke would have the same speed and reflex reaction as EMS Sasuke - if we are talking about EMS version - given that Sasuke went through a speed boost when he got EMS. Before that, his speed was the same in part II. So this argument has nothing to do with Chidori, again. It's like suggesting that Rinnegan Sasuke - who blitzed Madara with pure foot speed - would have been somehow slower without Sharingan.

You are throwing a hodgepodge of absurdities at me, and hoping to hit the mark, when none of it is correct. We all know what? I don't give a slightest amount of damn about what you, or those all idiots know when it isn't in the manga. So keep this ludicrous argument 'Oh no, we aaaallll know' to yourself, as guess what? This isn't a damn argument, it's your self-conceived poor quality fiction, when the manga has established the exact opposite - Sasuke using Chidori with finesse without Sharingan, despite being completely exhausted.

So let's not fall back on 'we allll know' as some kind of earth shattering manga evidence backed argument. You sound absurd and immature. Then let's back up; where is the counter evidence other than your claims? Oh wait, there isn't any. But hey, 'we alllll know.'

Precog contributes to his ability to react via movement reading.

Or do you want to argue this? :bouncy:


When did this happen? when he was getting countered and dodged?



I guess Sasuke can land Chidori on any form of Naruto outside of base mode. I suppose can do the same to Madara as well.

 

[shelke]

Precog contributes to his ability to react via movement reading.

Or do you want to argue this? :bouncy:


When did this happen? when he was getting countered and dodged?



I guess Sasuke can land Chidori on any form of Naruto outside of base mode. I suppose can do the same to Madara as well.

There is no such thing as base mode any more in the manga. Try to keep up.

 

[To Whatever]

There is no such thing as base mode any more in the manga. Try to keep up.

So Sasuke has sharingan active 24/7?

Because by your logic, he can't turn it off.

I guess Naruto has Sage Mode and RM active at all times.

 

[shelke]

So Sasuke has sharingan active 24/7?

Because by your logic, he can't turn it off.

I guess Naruto has Sage Mode and RM active at all times.

Listen to this, Sasuke would need Rinnegan to land chidori on anyone, otherwise, it is countered. SM and RM and Sharingan are not even the same thing. When we all know where Naruto lies without them. Sharingan doesn't enhance anything SM and RM do. You lost even the last dregs of credibility you ever had by comparing SM, where NE basically enhances all your physical stats, to Sharingan that doesn't enhance anything.

Any form of Sasuke should be able to land Chidori on an opponent, if the opponent is on a similar or close tier. There you go, as you probably don't have a clue still that Sharingan doesn't boost anything.

 

[To Whatever]

Listen to this, Sasuke would need Rinnegan to land chidori on anyone, otherwise. SM and RM is not even the same thing. When we all know where Naruto lies without them. Sharingan doesn't enhance anything SM and SM does. You lost even the last dregs of credibility you ever had by comparing SM, where NE basically enhances all your physical stats, to Sharingan that doesn't enhance anything.

Any form of Sasuke should be able to land Chidori on an opponent, if the opponent is on a similar or close tier. There you go, as you probably don't have a clue still that Sharingan doesn't boost anything.

@Red no shit. Before you were saying that 100% Sasuke in base mode(Rinne-omitted)can easily land chidori on anyone without sharingan.

@Blue
Sharingan does enhance the user:
Allows them to see chakra
Gives them precog
Increases vision
Allows them to copy and read movement along with other things.


How the hell are those not enhancements?



PS I like how you just ignored the fact that you said there are no base modes, despite being there being base modes.

 

[shelke]

@Red no shit. Before you were saying that 100% Sasuke in base mode(Rinne-omitted)can easily land chidori on anyone without sharingan.

@Blue
Sharingan does enhance the user:
Allows them to see chakra
Gives them precog
Increases vision
Allows them to copy and read movement along with other things.


How the hell are those not enhancements?



PS I like how you just ignored the fact that you said there are no base modes, despite being there being base modes.

A high tier opponent would be out of a lower tier Sasuke's league. Chidori or no chidori. So really, a baseless argument.

It doesn't enhance any bodily stats as SM and RM do for sure. Bring out any scan in the manga to back this up, as I am getting kinda tired of your self-stroke thread, where you are under the delusion that you are somehow correct.

Currently, for Sasuke? Yeah, no.

 

[To Whatever]

A high tier opponent would be out of a lower tier Sasuke's league. Chidori or no chidori. So really, a baseless argument.

It doesn't enhance any bodily stats as SM and RM do for sure. Bring out any scan in the manga to back this up, as I am getting kinda tired of your self-stroke thread, where you are under the delusion that you are somehow correct.

Currently, for Sasuke? Yeah, no.

Eyes are a part of the body, so is the brain.

I wasn't even comparing SM to sharingan.

My point was having sharingan active is not a part of base sasuke as he doesnt walk around with sharingan active unless he's fighting.

 

[shelke]

Eyes are a part of the body, so is the brain.

I wasn't even comparing SM to sharingan.

My point was having sharingan active is not a part of base sasuke as he doesnt walk around with sharingan active unless he's fighting.

Looks like you are out of your little bag of tricks to keep this little train chugging. No scans, meaning, no evidence. Short and simple.