Does Sasuke have Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror?

[Bieber]

Ever since this moment, [

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Now lets take a look at Sasuke's Final Susanoo prior to his meeting with Itachi.

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If you haven't noticed, his Final Susanoo is wielding a bow.

Now lets take a look at Itachi's Susanoo. Notice how Itachi has only shown to wield either of them in his Final Susanoo. Also Itachi grew a third hand from his right arm, which held the gourd.

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After his meeting with Itachi he hasn't used his Final Susanoo once. He has been using his Complete Susanoo to fight the Juubi and Obito, which I found odd. There's also this moment were Sasuke doesn't show his Final Susanoo with legs, like Kishi purposely skipped over it and shows his Perfect Susanoo instead.

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Which didn't have the extra arms to hold the gourd or shield.

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At a time like this, Sasuke shouldn't be holding back, which he did when he used his Complete Susanoo instead of his Final Susanoo while fighting Obito. Is Kishi purposely hiding the fact that he has obtained both of these weapons? If so, what exactly for?

 

[Saskeu]

very likely.

 

[Lightbringer]

Well those weapons are unique items, meaning only Itachi possessed them

we saw Itachi use these weapons when he was resurrected as an edo, meaning he still kept them and didn't transfer to Sasuke when he obtained the EMS.....so I'd say probably not


unless Itachi gave him those weapons after he defeated Kabuto

 

[Bieber]

Well those weapons are unique items, meaning only Itachi possessed them

we saw Itachi use these weapons when he was resurrected as an edo, meaning he still kept them and didn't transfer to Sasuke when he obtained the EMS.....so I'd say probably not


unless Itachi gave him those weapons after he defeated Kabuto

There was no reason for Itachi to give him both of them, after he died, when there's a possibility he won't even achieve Susanoo. Even Itachi was surprised when he first seen Sasuke use Susanoo [

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], so I do believe he gave them to Sasuke in the cave.

 

[Saskeu]

There was no reason for Itachi to give him both of them when there's a possibility he won't even achieve Susanoo. Even Itachi was surprised when he first seen Sasuke use Susanoo [

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], so I do believe he gave them to Sasuke in the cave.

A very valid and plausible point.

 

[SpiderRider89]

We don't know until we know.

 

[HNIC]

No...he doesnt.

 

[Aya San]

Unless Itachi gave it to Sasuke physically, I don't see him having it.

Remember, totsuka and yata are actual items

 

[Saskeu]

Great thread and theory man. I agree completely, Since itachi found out sasuke wields Susano'o, hes going to give him his legendary weapons since it would be no use for them if itachi is dead.

 

[Equalist]

There was no reason for Itachi to give him both of them, after he died, when there's a possibility he won't even achieve Susanoo. Even Itachi was surprised when he first seen Sasuke use Susanoo [

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], so I do believe he gave them to Sasuke in the cave.

Do you think Itachi might have done that as a way to stop Madara?

 

[Bieber]

Unless Itachi gave it to Sasuke physically, I don't see him having it.

Remember, totsuka and yata are actual items

Zetsu stated it does not have a physical form. [

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[Xlad]

I'm not sure really. That moment was more symbolic than an actual transfer in a sense. Itachi has always put his finger on top of Sasuke's forehead. Sasuke didn't expect Itachi to say those words nor did he expect a headbump. The only time he transferred something was the black flames to kill Obito.

It may happen the same way with Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade like with Susanoo. But then again, when Madara showed his PS, he only had regular swords.

 

[Bieber]

I'm not sure really. That moment was more symbolic than an actual transfer in a sense. Itachi has always put his finger on top of Sasuke's forehead. Sasuke didn't expect Itachi to say those words nor did he expect a headbump. The only time he transferred something was the black flames to kill Obito.

It may happen the same way with Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. But then again, when Madara showed his PS, he only had regular swords.

We've already seen once that Itachi can transfer something to him just by touching him. Sasuke's Final Susanoo was the only Susanoo he has shown that can grow an arm to hold the gourd. Without that extra arm he cannot hold the gourd and it also seems that Itachi only can use both in his Final Susanoo. A form that Sasuke hasn't shown once since his encounter with Itachi. Unlike Madara, Sasuke didn't go through his forms, like Kishi purposely had him skip over his Final Susanoo. His Perfect Susanoo wasn't shown to have an extra arm to hold the gourd.

 

[slimreaper]

all signs point to yes and I have been arguing that itachi gave him the items in the moment you specified.

good thread man

 

[xxSAGExx]

Ever since this moment, [

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], many have believed that Itachi gave Sasuke both of them.

Now lets take a look at Sasuke's Final Susanoo prior to his meeting with Itachi.

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If you haven't noticed, his Final Susanoo is wielding a bow.

Now lets take a look at Itachi's Susanoo. Notice how Itachi has only shown to wield either of them in his Final Susanoo. Also Itachi grew a third hand from his right arm, which held the gourd.

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After his meeting with Itachi he hasn't used his Final Susanoo once. He has been using his Complete Susanoo to fight the Juubi and Obito, which I found odd. There's also this moment were Sasuke doesn't show his Final Susanoo with legs, like Kishi purposely skipped over it and shows his Perfect Susanoo instead.

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Which didn't have the extra arms to hold the gourd or shield.

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At a time like this, Sasuke shouldn't be holding back, which he did when he used his Complete Susanoo instead of his Final Susanoo while fighting Obito. Is Kishi purposely hiding the fact that he has obtained both of these weapons? If so, what exactly for?

Doubt it, You have to remember something, Itachi was still controlled by KA to protect Konoha and Sasuke plain out said he was going to attack Konoha so it would go against KA to aid Sasuke and give him those weapons. Also they are actual items, not susanoo made so Itachi would have to physically give them to Sasuke if he was to give him them. Remember, Itachi was planning on having KA used on Sasuke if he ever attacked Konoha

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. Itachi only told Sasuke that he would love him no matter what Sasuke do.

Also Sasuke didn't use final Susanoo because there was no point. Enton didn't work on Juubito and Juubito black rod can break Susanoo as it did with Susanoo's hand. If Sasuke had the blade and Mirror then he would be using them with his leg Susanoo instead of his susanoo's blade.

Great thread and theory man. I agree completely, Since itachi found out sasuke wields Susano'o, hes going to give him his legendary weapons since it would be no use for them if itachi is dead.

Wrong, Itachi is under KA which is to protect Konoha which Sasuke plain out told him that he wants to destroy

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. Itachi knew Sasuke would have Susanoo by taking Itachi's eyes he would have gained it

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. Sasuke saying he'll destroy Konoha

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, helping Sasuke by giving him the weapons would go against the KA so Itachi wouldn't give him them unless Sasuke would use to protect the leaf but Sasuke said the opposite.

 

[Xlad]

We've already seen once that Itachi can transfer something to him just by touching him. Sasuke's Final Susanoo was the only Susanoo he has shown that can grow an arm to hold the gourd. Without that extra arm he cannot hold the gourd and it also seems that Itachi only can use both in his Final Susanoo. A form that Sasuke hasn't shown once since his encounter with Itachi. Unlike Madara, Sasuke didn't go through his forms, like Kishi purposely had him skip over his Final Susanoo. His Perfect Susanoo wasn't shown to have an extra arm to hold the gourd.

Oh, I see. I think I may have to wait on this one. It is possible that they will actually occur again.

It's weird, because there are actually three sacred tools:
- Yata Mirror (Yata-no-Kagami)
- Totsuka Sword (Ame-no-murakumo-no-Tsurugi) and
- Yasaka Magatama (Yasakani-no-Magatama)

I'm not sure how the third is a sacred tool; it's just a ranged tech. But that's what Yasaka Magatama is considered in the mythology. Used by Madara and Itachi (Sasuke as an Enton variant).

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The three sacred imperial treasures consist of the sacred mirror called Yata-no-Kagami, the sacred sword called Ame-no-murakumo-no-Tsurugi and the sacred jewel called Yasakani-no-Magatama. According to Shinto thought, the mirror as reflecting everything properly is a symbol for "Honesty," the sword for "Braveness," and the jewel for "Affection."

 

[Bieber]

Doubt it, You have to remember something, Itachi was still controlled by KA to protect Konoha and Sasuke plain out said he was going to attack Konoha so it would go against KA to aid Sasuke and give him those weapons. Also they are actual items, not susanoo made so Itachi would have to physically give them to Sasuke if he was to give him them. Remember, Itachi was planning on having KA used on Sasuke if he ever attacked Konoha

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. Itachi only told Sasuke that he would love him no matter what Sasuke do.

Also Sasuke didn't use final Susanoo because there was no point. Enton didn't work on Juubito and Juubito black rod can break Susanoo as it did with Susanoo's hand. If Sasuke had the blade and Mirror then he would be using them with his leg Susanoo instead of his susanoo's blade.

Kotoamatsukami can be broken, it is a genjutsu after all. The target is unaware that they're being manipulated, but Itachi wasn't. Itachi and Sasuke were both under a genjutsu in there fight with Kabuto, but after placing each other under a genjutsu it was broken. [

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] At that moment, if Kotoamatsukami was still activated, it was broken. Also, Itachi already knew about Sasuke being a threat to the village [

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], but instead of fighting against him, he fought with him. Thus, Itachi did have control over himself. Zetsu already stated that Totsuka does not have a physical form. [

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Sasuke was using a weaker version of his Susanoo against the Juubi, which doesn't make much sense at all. Seeing as, Sasuke's Final Susanoo already displayed a bow, which he mainly used. His Final Susanoo doesn't just have the Enton orb and a bow, it also has a sword [which he can choose to coat with Enton], which he could have used, but didn't. There has to be a reason as to why he hasn't shown it since then. I mean they are in the middle of the war fighting against the two strongest Uchiha and the strongest Biju. There would absolutely be no reason to not go all out and I have a feeling that Kishi is waiting to display them because there's still one or two huge fights left, till this war is over.

all signs point to yes and I have been arguing that itachi gave him the items in the moment you specified.

good thread man

Thank you. It's been a bit obvious since then, but it could still be wrong.

Oh, I see. I think I may have to wait on this one. It is possible that they will actually occur again.

It's weird, because there are actually three sacred tools:
- Yata Mirror (Yata-no-Kagami)
- Totsuka Sword (Ame-no-murakumo-no-Tsurugi) and
- Yasaka Magatama (Yasakani-no-Magatama)

I'm not sure how the third is a sacred tool; it's just a ranged tech. But that's what Yasaka Magatama is considered in the mythology. Used by Madara and Itachi (Sasuke as an Enton variant).

Hopefully they do show up again. This is just what Sasuke needs to be on par with Madara, if not stronger. It seems like Sasuke will most likely put great use to Yasaka Magatama due to him mostly using his bow. All three of them will be apart of Sasuke's Susanoo by the end of this manga, I can feel it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Kotoamatsukami can be broken, it is a genjutsu after all. The target is unaware that they're being manipulated, but Itachi wasn't. Itachi and Sasuke were both under a genjutsu in there fight with Kabuto, but after placing each other under a genjutsu it was broken. [

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] At that moment, if Kotoamatsukami was still activated, it was broken. Also, Itachi already knew about Sasuke being a threat to the village [

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] [

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], but instead of fighting against him, he fought with him. Thus, Itachi did have control over himself. Zetsu already stated that Totsuka does not have a physical form. [

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Sasuke was using a weaker version of his Susanoo against the Juubi, which doesn't make much sense at all. Seeing as, Sasuke's Final Susanoo already displayed a bow, which he mainly used. His Final Susanoo doesn't just have the Enton orb and a bow, it also has a sword [which he can choose to coat with Enton], which he could have used, but didn't. There has to be a reason as to why he hasn't shown it since then. I mean they are in the middle of the war fighting against the two strongest Uchiha and the strongest Biju. There would absolutely be no reason to not go all out and I have a feeling that Kishi is waiting to display them because there's still one or two huge fights left, till this war is over.

Thank you. It's been a bit obvious since then, but it could still be wrong.

Hopefully they do show up again. This is just what Sasuke needs to be on par with Madara, if not stronger. It seems like Sasuke will most likely put great use to Yasaka Magatama due to him mostly using his bow. All three of them will be apart of Sasuke's Susanoo by the end of this manga, I can feel it.

I don't think KA was broken, KA is what kept Kabuto from controlling Itachi so if it was broken then Kabuto could regain control over Itachi.

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Itachi layered the KA on Kabuto's control, this means Kabuto can't make Itachi do anything because KA is used with the order to protect Konoha. No KA means nothing stopping Kabuto from controlling Itachi. Also I know Itachi knew about Sasuke wanting to destroy the leaf but was Sasuke doing it at that time? no. But Kabuto was causing deaths and who was who Itachi was focused on. The fact that Sasuke fought with Itachi, to Itachi can be taken as helping the leaf as well. Yes Zetsu said the Totsuka blade does not have a physical form but guess what, the jug that the sword comes out is not the blade itself so that can be physical and you can even see the differences between the blade which looks chakra like and the jug which looks solid.

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Final Susanoo was too big to use while on the Snake. Why did Sasuke not form Final Susanoo after leaving the snake? Because he needed to move fast and was going to deactivate Susanoo

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. Why Didn't Sasuke use it when fighting Juubito? Because Juubito just put a hole in Susanoo's hand

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and Sasuke saw how fast Juubito is and he can't move fast with final Susanoo up but can move with only ribs up.

Go all out? Sasuke was stopped fighting and watch like a little more than halve the fight as the kages fought and when Naruto joined in. You expect Sasuke to go Final Susanoo when Enton arrows doesn't work, Amaterasu doesn't work, Susanoo gives no protection against Juubito since he can slice right thru it and it makes it hard for Sasuke to try and evade. Sasuke can use 2 3-4 hands in the incomplete mode yet he never displayed any Totsuka blade or yata mirror

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because he can't use what he doesn't have.

 

[Frikid]

When itachi used KA on himself, the KA cancelled the effect of edo tensei and return itachi to normal.

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So itachi was not under the effect of KA nor edo tensei as both the jutsu cancelled out each other.

 

[Bieber]

I don't think KA was broken, KA is what kept Kabuto from controlling Itachi so if it was broken the Kabuto could regain control over Itachi.

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Itachi layered the KA on Kabuto's control, this means Kabuto can't make Itachi do anything because KA is used with the order to protect Konoha. No KA means nothing stopping Kabuto from controlling Itachi. Also I know Itachi knew about Sasuke wanting to destroy the leaf but was Sasuke doing it at that time? no. But Kabuto was causing deaths and who was who Itachi was focused on. The fact that Sasuke fought with Itachi, to Itachi can be taken as helping the leaf as well. Yes Zetsu said the Totsuka blade does not have a physical form but guess what, the jug that the sword comes out is not the blade itself so that can be physical and you can even see the differences between the blade which looks chakra like and the jug which looks solid.

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Final Susanoo was too big to use while on the Snake. Why did Sasuke not for Final Susanoo after leaving the snake? Because he needed to move fast and was going to deactivate Susanoo

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. Why Didn't Sasuke use it when fighting Juubito? Because Juubito just put a hole in Susanoo's hand

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and Sasuke saw how fast Juubito is and he can't move fast with final Susanoo up but can move with only ribs up.

Go all out? Sasuke was stopped fighting and watch like a little more than halve the fight as the kages fought and when Naruto joined in. You expect Sasuke to go Final Susanoo when Enton arrows doesn't work, Amaterasu doesn't work, Susanoo gives no protection against Juubito since he can slice right thru it and it makes it hard for Sasuke to try and evade. Sasuke can use 2 3-4 hands in the incomplete mode yet he never displayed any Totsuka blade or yata mirror

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because he can't use what he doesn't have.

Like you said, Sasuke fought with Itachi, thus it can be taken as Sasuke protecting Konoha. We've witnessed before that Itachi, with just a touch, he is able to transfer something to him. If Sasuke was seen as protecting Konoha, there is no reason to believe that Itachi couldn't have transferred something to Sasuke before Edo Tensei was released. Also, just as Edo Tensei was released, the Edos began to have control over themselves again. At that time Itachi could have released Kotoamatsukami, but like you said, there was no reason to, due to Sasuke helping Itachi protect Konoha. At that moment he was no longer seen as an enemy to Konoha. Actually, the gourd wasn't solid, it was manifested chakra. You can see the rocks through the gourd and Susanoo. [

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] After Itachi sealed Nagato it became more clear. [

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] Not only that, Sasuke does have Itachi's eyes, so if there's actually a physical form, he should be able to transfer it. Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror are connected to Itachi's eyes. He didn't go carrying around physical forms of each weapon, thus, there's nothing stopping him from transferring both weapons to Sasuke. Many disagree on that because Sasuke, after implanting Itachi's eyes, didn't have Totsuka or Yata. As I stated above, it would be useless to give him them at that point, seeing as even Itachi was shocked that Sasuke was able to use Susanoo; it's not a technique anyone can use. [

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] Frikid reminded me of something that can stop all this Kotoamatsukami nonsense. Itachi's goal when alive was to protect Konoha, everything he did lead to it. Once he overlapped Edo Tensei, he returned to his original state of mind. Unlike Edo Tensei, Kotoamatsukami doesn't turn the target into a mindless zombie, they are just unaware that they are under a genjutsu. He has control of himself, he just believes protecting Konoha, as in this case, was something he has always done. Which completely changed Itachi back to his original state of mind. Anyone against Konoha has to be taken out, Sasuke at that time wasn't. Nothing is stopping Itachi from giving him both spiritual weapons.

In the third panel of this scan [

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], the point of view completely changes. From a farther distance, it looked as if his Complete Susanoo barely fit on Aoda's head, but from a closer view, you can tell that there is more room. This scan [

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] proves as such. Itachi was shown to be able to move quite fast in his Incomplete Susanoo [

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] Susanoo begins to acts as an anchor in the Complete Susanoo, making it a harder to move around quicker.

Itachi also displayed extra hands grown on his Final Susanoo, yet there was no gourd or Yata Mirror. [

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] The only time he was shown to use either was in his Final Susanoo. [

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] Meaning that it is exclusive to the Final Susanoo and most likely Perfect Susanoo.

Obviously Sasuke cannot use what he doesn't have, i'm not denying that at all. I'm just pointing out all the evidence that brings in that possibility of him having both of the weapons. There's a possibility that he will be able to use them in time. As for right now, he doesn't have them. I just found it odd that Kishi kept skipping over his Final Susanoo ever since his encounter with Itachi. There's more evidence pointing towards him having both weapons than not. The only evidence that can possibly prove he doesn't is the physical forms of both weapons. Then again, Itachi didn't carry around any physical forms of either weapon, thus, it relates to his eyes at this point. Those same eyes that Sasuke has, which should allow Itachi to transfer both weapons over to him when they touched heads. I even stated above that it may not be true, it is a theory after all.. I also used the word, 'if'.

When itachi used KA on himself, the KA cancelled the effect of edo tensei and return itachi to normal.

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So itachi was not under the effect of KA nor edo tensei as both the jutsu cancelled out each other.

Thank you for reminding me of that.