[Discussion] Does Sasuke have senjutsu?

[Mr Hiru]

Sasuke currently has senjutsu, why?

tobirama said that anything and anyone the tsb touches disintegrates or seize from existence, naruto showed that his sm affects the orbs because of senjutsu and after naruto got his own tsb, sasuke touched it meaning that sasuke most possess senjutsu also or he would have disintegrated.

I have two points to clearify.

a) You can't fully believe in the words of someone who doesn't have the experience of holding the power, in this case, Tobirama: He doesn't hold full knowledge about TSB, he only did conjecture based on what he was observing in Obito's Battle. Furthermore, Naruto used Sage Mode and even so Tobirama stated that he should not touch the orbs or he could be killed, so, does "senjutsu" really have something to do with TSB when these two contradictory statements met? Well, I don't trust that kind of logic.

b) Sasuke did not touch the TSB because he had senjutsu.

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It was your own conjecture who led you to state that he was able to do because of having Senjutsu. But the fact is that it has to do with having Rikudou's Powers (

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in his case, and his

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). Also, Naruto can't control the spheres because having senjutsu, that's your own conjecture. The hard fact is that he was able to use these powers because of Rikudou's Powers (

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in his case).

The only way to disprove these points would be you bringing proof of Sasuke being able to absorb Shizen/Natural Energy and produce Senjutsu Chakra from it (then again, Sasuke had to use Juugo for this purpose when using his Susano'o), so it's quite hard to counter my logic.

Actual proof that he does

He used his seal, not Senjutsu nor Shizen Energy. The only fact that links Sasuke with Senjutsu is his ability to control Senjutsu, but not to produce the needed chakra for this purpose.

Furthermore, he used Chidori, not Sempou - Chidori. So I think prople misunderstood that panel.

 

[Shinato]

I have two points to clearify.

a) You can't fully believe in the words of someone who doesn't have the experience of holding the power, in this case, Tobirama: He doesn't hold full knowledge about TSB, he only did conjecture based on what he was observing in Obito's Battle. Furthermore, Naruto used Sage Mode and even so Tobirama stated that he should not touch the orbs or he could be killed, so, does "senjutsu" really have something to do with TSB when these two contradictory statements met? Well, I don't trust that kind of logic.

Tobirama stated that Naruto would die if he touched them as Obito would attack if that happened. We know from image proof that Omnyodon cannot neglect Senjutsu, only block it. What Tobirama said was the following: Omnyodon cannot neglect Senjutsu, but if you touch the Truth-Seeker Balls, you will give Obito enough time and room to kill you. Its the same as having a shield made of electricity. You can disable or affect it using water, but if you touch it, you're screwed.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Tobirama stated that Naruto would die if he touched them as Obito would attack if that happened. We know from image proof that Omnyodon cannot neglect Senjutsu, only block it. What Tobirama said was the following: Omnyodon cannot neglect Senjutsu, but if you touch the Truth-Seeker Balls, you will give Obito enough time and room to kill you. Its the same as having a shield made of electricity. You can disable or affect it using water, but if you touch it, you're screwed.

But that's Tobirama conjecture. Sage Mode users know that nature surrounds them (figurative words, it's shizen energy), so it's quite hard to reach that conclusion when having deeper knowledge of Sage Mode.

Anyway, don't remove virtue to my arguments with such common chitchatting. The important point was argument b), I also only did an common observation in argument a) pointing Tobirama's lack of knowledge about TSB.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I have two points to clearify.

a) You can't fully believe in the words of someone who doesn't have the experience of holding the power, in this case, Tobirama: He doesn't hold full knowledge about TSB, he only did conjecture based on what he was observing in Obito's Battle. Furthermore, Naruto used Sage Mode and even so Tobirama stated that he should not touch the orbs or he could be killed, so, does "senjutsu" really have something to do with TSB when these two contradictory statements met? Well, I don't trust that kind of logic.

b) Sasuke did not touch the TSB because he had senjutsu.

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It was your own conjecture who led you to state that he was able to do because of having Senjutsu. But the fact is that it has to do with having Rikudou's Powers (

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in his case, and his

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). Also, Naruto can't control the spheres because having senjutsu, that's your own conjecture. The hard fact is that he was able to use these powers because of Rikudou's Powers (

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in his case).

The only way to disprove these points would be you bringing proof of Sasuke being able to absorb Shizen/Natural Energy and produce Senjutsu Chakra from it (then again, Sasuke had to use Juugo for this purpose when using his Susano'o), so it's quite hard to counter my logic.



He used his seal, not Senjutsu nor Shizen Energy. The only fact that links Sasuke with Senjutsu is his ability to control Senjutsu, but not to produce the needed chakra for this purpose.

Furthermore, he used Chidori, not Sempou - Chidori. So I think prople misunderstood that panel.

Terrible argument. Sasuke doesn't know what Senpou is, so him not calling his Senjutsu-enhanced Chidori Senpou: Chidori is not an indicator that he isn't using Senjutsu.

Senjutsu turns Sasuke's Chidori black, that is a fact.
Sasuke commented that he was going to do the same as Naruto, and Naruto created a Senpou Rasengan with the Sage's Power, fact.

Sasuke didn't use the seal on his hand, it's a seal, its only use was to trap Kaguya. Sasuke is just left-handed. If the source of his power came from the seal, then he would have lost his Rinnegan, and Naruto would have lost his ability to fly and the Onmyoudon.
The scans I've posted above prove Sasuke is using Senjutsu.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Terrible argument. Sasuke doesn't know what Senpou is, so him not calling his Senjutsu-enhanced Chidori Senpou: Chidori is not an indicator that he isn't using Senjutsu.

Senjutsu turns Sasuke's Chidori black, that is a fact.
Sasuke commented that he was going to do the same as Naruto, and Naruto created a Senpou Rasengan with the Sage's Power, fact.

The scans I've posted above prove Sasuke is using Senjutsu.

Terrible argumentation.

a) Sasuke already knows what Sempou is. He saw Naruto, he saw Hashirama, he saw Madara.

If only color were really enough to convince someone as me of this feature, then can you explain the function of Sasuke's seal? Also, can you explain the motive of why had Sasuke to use Juugo? Finally... can you explain how Sasuke and Naruto are balanced in powers, as Hagoromo stated (under your perspective, Sasuke has Rinnegan + Senjutsu while Naruto only has Senjutsu)?

 

[riley freeman]

I have two points to clearify.

a) You can't fully believe in the words of someone who doesn't have the experience of holding the power, in this case, Tobirama: He doesn't hold full knowledge about TSB, he only did conjecture based on what he was observing in Obito's Battle. Furthermore, Naruto used Sage Mode and even so Tobirama stated that he should not touch the orbs or he could be killed, so, does "senjutsu" really have something to do with TSB when these two contradictory statements met? Well, I don't trust that kind of logic.

b) Sasuke did not touch the TSB because he had senjutsu.

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It was your own conjecture who led you to state that he was able to do because of having Senjutsu. But the fact is that it has to do with having Rikudou's Powers (

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in his case, and his

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). Also, Naruto can't control the spheres because having senjutsu, that's your own conjecture. The hard fact is that he was able to use these powers because of Rikudou's Powers (

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in his case).

The only way to disprove these points would be you bringing proof of Sasuke being able to absorb Shizen/Natural Energy and produce Senjutsu Chakra from it (then again, Sasuke had to use Juugo for this purpose when using his Susano'o), so it's quite hard to counter my logic.



He used his seal, not Senjutsu nor Shizen Energy. The only fact that links Sasuke with Senjutsu is his ability to control Senjutsu, but not to produce the needed chakra for this purpose.

Furthermore, he used Chidori, not Sempou - Chidori. So I think prople misunderstood that panel.

So you're saying that tobirama is wrong? okay, and sasuke did touch the tsb, when he used it as a surf board

 

[lswhyte123]

He can't produce senjutsu chakra on his own. But he can use it just fine if it is made and given to him

Sasuke has a way of managing things just fine as long as they're given to him..lol

Sorry but I couldn't resist that one

 

[Sharingan King]

Hagoromo's senjutsu of six paths comes from Juubi.

Hagoromo's chakra is therefore a form of senjutsu chakra.

Sasuke obtained chakra directly from Hagoromo and he also obtained Ashura's chakra from Edo-Hashirama and living cells from Kabuto.

Sasuke obtained Juugo's cells which allows one to absorb senjutsu chakra.

Conclusion: Sasuke has senjutsu chakra.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Terrible argumentation.

a) Sasuke already knows what Sempou is. He saw Naruto, he saw Hashirama, he saw Madara.

If only color were really enough to convince someone as me of this feature, then can you explain the function of Sasuke's seal? Also, can you explain the motive of why had Sasuke to use Juugo? Finally... can you explain how Sasuke and Naruto are balanced in powers, as Hagoromo stated (under your perspective, Sasuke has Rinnegan + Senjutsu while Naruto only has Senjutsu)?

1. He saw them using Senpou, but he doesn't know what Senpou is, he doesn't know that what they are doing is called Senpou

2. The seal's purpose/function was to seal Kaguya. Did you read the Kaguya fight at all?

3. He had to use Juugo before because prior to the Sage's upgrade, he was unable to use Senjutsu.

4. Sasuke has Rinnegan+Senjutsu while Naruto has Senjutsu+Flight+His healing+Onmyoudon.

 

[Honord Sage]

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He can manage senjutsu chakra.

But i am not sure if he has sage mode.

Jugo supply the raw chakra in this panel due to the curse seal.

 

[Mr Hiru]

So you're saying that tobirama is wrong? okay, and sasuke did touch the tsb, when he used it as a surf board

When Sasuke took out the black bars from Tobirama, the black seal was shown, meaning that the motive behind the ability of Sasuke relies in the Moon Seal given by Hagoromo.

I already gave the manga pages related to this fact.

Also, I didn't say Tobirama is wrong. I said that Tobirama doesn't have full knowledge, so I'd thank you if you stop putting words in my mouth. I don't like baseless conjectures, such as the bold part you extrapolated.

1. He saw them using Senpou, but he doesn't know what Senpou is, he doesn't know that what they are doing is called Senpou

2. The seal's purpose/function was to seal Kaguya. Did you read the Kaguya fight at all?

3. He had to use Juugo before because prior to the Sage's upgrade, he was unable to use Senjutsu.

4. Sasuke has Rinnegan+Senjutsu while Naruto has Senjutsu+Flight+His healing+Onmyoudon.

1. He also saw DSM Kabuto, and Itachi stated that Kabuto was using the power of Nature. This scene was far more explicit... I doubt Sasuke wouldn't learn one thing or two about Nature, specially knowing that he is way smarter than Naruto.

2. Naruto's seal stopped the Hachimon aftereffects. Sasuke's seal enabled him to take the black bars from Tobirama/Hashirama, meaning that Sasuke is able to touch anything that is produced by the power of the Six Paths, thanks to the seal. You were not able to fully answer this question, yet I was, with examples.

3. Point taken.

4. Sasuke has Rinnegan. You don't have proof of Sasuke having the ability to absorb shizen energy. You only have proof of Sasuke having the ability to control senjutsu chakra.

...or you actually have proof of this?

 

[V h o]

I can only see it through Jugo's flesh that Sasuke has in his chest. Either way, he clearly isn't using it or it is not strong enough to overpower Naruto's TSBs.

 

[Punk Hazard]

When Sasuke took out the black bars from Tobirama, the black seal was shown, meaning that the motive behind the ability of Sasuke relies in the Moon Seal given by Hagoromo.

I already gave the manga pages related to this fact.

Also, I didn't say Tobirama is wrong. I said that Tobirama doesn't have full knowledge, so I'd thank you if you stop putting words in my mouth. I don't like baseless conjectures.



1. He also saw DSM Kabuto, and Itachi stated that Kabuto was using the power of Nature. This scene was far more explicit... I doubt Sasuke wouldn't learn one thing or two about Nature, specially knowing that he is way smarter than Naruto.

2. Naruto's seal stopped the Hachimon aftereffects. Sasuke's seal enabled him to take the black bars from Tobirama/Hashirama, meaning that Sasuke is able to touch anything that is produced by the power of the Six Paths, thanks to the seal. You were not able to fully answer this question, yet I was, with examples.

3. Point taken.

4. Sasuke has Rinnegan. You don't have proof of Sasuke having the ability to absorb shizen energy. You only have proof of Sasuke having the ability to control senjutsu chakra.

...or you actually have proof of this?

1. That still doesn't mean he's gonna know that the word Senpou exists, or that it used for techniques enhanced with Senjutsu. Sasuke knows controlling senjutsu exists, but he doesn't know very much about it or the details.

2. Those powers don't come from the seals. The Sage's power is inside of them, if it was from the seals, they would have lost all the power-ups when they seals vanished from their palms. The seal had one use, and that was sealing Kaguya.

3. Good

4. Sasuke's Chidori, when under the influence of Senjutsu, turns black, and only when under the influence of Senjutsu. The fact that by channeling the Six Paths' power, as he calls controlling the Senjutsu power the Sage gave them, turns the Chidori black is proof that Sasuke can utilize Senjutsu by tapping into the power the Sage gave him.

 

[so12p]

No. He needs to borrow it from Jugo to use it. One major Kishimoto a$$pull that, BTW. PnJ so that suckske could contribute to the battle.

 

[Mr Hiru]

1. That still doesn't mean he's gonna know that the word Senpou exists, or that it used for techniques enhanced with Senjutsu. Sasuke knows controlling senjutsu exists, but he doesn't know very much about it or the details.

2. Those powers don't come from the seals. The Sage's power is inside of them, if it was from the seals, they would have lost all the power-ups when they seals vanished from their palms. The seal had one use, and that was sealing Kaguya.

3. Good

4. Sasuke's Chidori, when under the influence of Senjutsu, turns black, and only when under the influence of Senjutsu. The fact that by channeling the Six Paths' power, as he calls controlling the Senjutsu power the Sage gave them, turns the Chidori black is proof that Sasuke can utilize Senjutsu by tapping into the power the Sage gave him.

1. Possible, but unlikely, known the smart nature of Sasuke.

2.

Let's state facts as they are, without any space for conjecture.

a) The "black color" of Sasuke's Chidori is the result of the Power of the Sage of Six Paths. No more, no less. The Moon Seal was emphatized when doing this technique. It's unknown for us if this is explicitely Senjutsu or not. Stating that as a fact would be using the Sequndum Quid fallacy. But for the sake of argumentation, let's say Sasuke can use Senjutsu "at this point". There must be a motive of why. I can safely say that it is not due his Rinnegan, if you read my point c).

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b) I beg to disagree, since the panels suggest otherwise.

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c) The powers given by the Sage, aside of the seals.

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Aside of the seals, each one obtained one of those powers. Sasuke obtained the Rinnegan, Naruto obtained the Senjutsu of the Six Paths.

Only Madara had the two of them at the same time.

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So, alluding to your observation, we can answer both of your points 2. and 4.

The Sage's power is inside of them, if it was from the seals, they would have lost all the power-ups when they seals vanished from their palms. The seal had one use, and that was sealing Kaguya.

Again a conjecture, but it holds some truth in it. I didn't say that all their powers were in the seals, I only said that each seal had some ability behind it aside of Kaguya's sealing.

Naruto could stop Gai's dying process, and he even tried to save Obito.

Correlated conjecture: Naruto's Sun Seal ability is to stop death.

In b) Sasuke could touch the bars from the six paths techniques without drawbacks (just like Naruto was able to break Pain's bars with Frog Kata). In both images of b), Moon seal was emphatized both before and after touching the bars. Also, he could do surfring over Naruto's TSB.

Correlated conjecture: Sasuke's Moon Seal ability is to use Senjutsu.

...what would happen if each one loses the seal? I'm pretty sure you know the answer, given c) where Madara recognized which power would each one have if they didn't held the seals (because these are the powers Madara had at that point): Sasuke wouldn't be able to produce Senjutsu chakra by his own, and Naruto wouldn't be able to stop death.

...the funny thing now is for Kishimoto to show if Sasuke can execute Senjutsu Techniques without his moon seal. If Sasuke does not, then Senjutsu is the ability of the Moon Seal not just as a conjecture, but as a fact.

 

[End of Days]

He doesnt, his arrows got erased out of existence

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[Punk Hazard]

1. Possible, but unlikely, known the smart nature of Sasuke.

2.

Let's state facts as they are, without any space for conjecture.

a) The "black color" of Sasuke's Chidori is the result of the Power of the Sage of Six Paths. No more, no less. The Moon Seal was emphatized when doing this technique. It's unknown for us if this is explicitely Senjutsu or not. Stating that as a fact would be using the Sequndum Quid fallacy. But for the sake of argumentation, let's say Sasuke can use Senjutsu "at this point". There must be a motive of why. I can safely say that it is not due his Rinnegan, if you read my point c).

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b) I beg to disagree, since the panels suggest otherwise.

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And then again, moon seal emphatized after removing the bars.

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c) The powers given by the Sage, aside of the seals.

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Aside of the seals, each one obtained one of those powers. Sasuke obtained the Rinnegan, Naruto obtained the Senjutsu of the Six Paths.

Only Madara had the two of them at the same time.

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So, alluding to your observation, we can answer both of your points 2. and 4.



Again a conjecture, but it holds some truth in it. I didn't say that all their powers were in the seals, I only said that each seal had some ability behind it aside of Kaguya's sealing.

Naruto could stop Gai's dying process, and he even tried to save Obito.

Correlated conjecture: Naruto's Sun Seal ability is to stop death.

In b) Sasuke could touch the bars from the six paths techniques without drawbacks (just like Naruto was able to break Pain's bars with Frog Kata). In both images of b), Moon seal was emphatized both before and after touching the bars. Also, he could do surfring over Naruto's TSB.

Correlated conjecture: Sasuke's Moon Seal ability is to use Senjutsu.

...what would happen if each one loses the seal? I'm pretty sure you know the answer, given c) where Madara recognized which power would each one have if they didn't held the seals (because these are the powers Madara had at that point): Sasuke wouldn't be able to produce Senjutsu chakra by his own.

...the funny thing now is for Kishimoto to show if Sasuke can execute Senjutsu Techniques without his moon seal. If Sasuke does not, then Senjutsu is the ability of the Moon Seal not just as a conjecture, but as a fact.

1. It doesn't work that way. Sasuke doesn't know the term Senpou exists, or how it's used, so he won't use it.

2.
A) There was no emphasis on the Moon Seal, it was simply on his left hand, and Sasuke is left handed. He stated he was using the power the sage gave him, if it came from the seal, his power would be gone, which would be signalled by the lost of his Rinnegan and its abilities. The fact that he still has his Rinnegan shows that he still possesses the power the Sage gave him, and the fact that the seal is gone shows that his power does not originate from the Seal.

Sasuke's Chidori turns black when under the influence of Senjutsu, as the manga establishes that the Curse Marks give the user access to Nature Energy. Seeing that when using the Curse Mark, i.e, when given access to Nature Energy, the Chidori turns black. Not only that, but Kaguya has the same type of body as Obito and Madara, which negate Ninjutsu upon contact unless it is infused with Senjutsu. The fact that Kakashi was able to slice into her with his Raikiri means it had Senjutsu. Kakashi said his Raikiri turned that way because of the Sage's Power, and it was black. This shows that the Sage's Power is a type of Nature Energy that turns Raikiri/Chidori black. Kakashi also lacks the Moon Seal, and yet, his Raikiri underwent the same changes Sasuke's Chidori did, and both credited it to the influence of the Sage's power, showing the black Chidori was not the result of the Moon Seal, and that the Six Paths' power is a form of Nature Energy that does not originate with the Seal.

Let's look at the facts:
1. When using the Six Paths' chakra, as Sasuke put it, Naruto created a Senpou Rasengan. He was not in Sage Mode, further emphasizing that his Six Paths' power made his Rasengan a Senpu Rasengan.

2. Nature Energy released by the Curse Mark turned Sasuke's Chidori black

3. When using the Six Paths' power, Sasuke's Chidori turned black

4. When using the Six Paths' power Kakashi had from Obito's essence, his Raikiri turned black

5. Only Nature Energy-enhanced Ninjutsu can hurt Kaguya, Ninjutsu without it is ineffective

6. Kakashi's Raikiri cut Kaguya, meaning it had to have Senjutsu

7. What happened to Kakashi's Raikiri is the exact same as what happened to Sasuke's.

 

[Mr Hiru]

1. It doesn't work that way. Sasuke doesn't know the term Senpou exists, or how it's used, so he won't use it.

2.
A) There was no emphasis on the Moon Seal, it was simply on his left hand, and Sasuke is left handed. He stated he was using the power the sage gave him, if it came from the seal, his power would be gone, which would be signalled by the lost of his Rinnegan and its abilities. The fact that he still has his Rinnegan shows that he still possesses the power the Sage gave him, and the fact that the seal is gone shows that his power does not originate from the Seal.

Sasuke's Chidori turns black when under the influence of Senjutsu, as the manga establishes that the Curse Marks give the user access to Nature Energy. Seeing that when using the Curse Mark, i.e, when given access to Nature Energy, the Chidori turns black. Not only that, but Kaguya has the same type of body as Obito and Madara, which negate Ninjutsu upon contact unless it is infused with Senjutsu. The fact that Kakashi was able to slice into her with his Raikiri means it had Senjutsu. Kakashi said his Raikiri turned that way because of the Sage's Power, and it was black. This shows that the Sage's Power is a type of Nature Energy that turns Raikiri/Chidori black. Kakashi also lacks the Moon Seal, and yet, his Raikiri underwent the same changes Sasuke's Chidori did, and both credited it to the influence of the Sage's power, showing the black Chidori was not the result of the Moon Seal, and that the Six Paths' power is a form of Nature Energy that does not originate with the Seal.

Let's look at the facts:
1. When using the Six Paths' chakra, as Sasuke put it, Naruto created a Senpou Rasengan. He was not in Sage Mode, further emphasizing that his Six Paths' power made his Rasengan a Senpu Rasengan.

2. Nature Energy released by the Curse Mark turned Sasuke's Chidori black

3. When using the Six Paths' power, Sasuke's Chidori turned black

4. When using the Six Paths' power Kakashi had from Obito's essence, his Raikiri turned black

5. Only Nature Energy-enhanced Ninjutsu can hurt Kaguya, Ninjutsu without it is ineffective

6. Kakashi's Raikiri cut Kaguya, meaning it had to have Senjutsu

7. What happened to Kakashi's Raikiri is the exact same as what happened to Sasuke's.

I'll ignore the claim about 'sempou' because we reached an impasse. We can't speak conjecture vs conjecture, at this rate we will die old until this can be proven.

About the Moon Seal: I'm sorry to put it in this way, but if the moon seal wouldn't be correlated to Sasuke's attempts to use Senjutsu, then why did Kishimoto draw the hands in this way? Why didn't he just put Sasuke from front view using Senjutsu? Kishimoto is very symbolic when drawing, so it's natural to see the correlation in there.

So, I safely say that there was emphasis of the Moon Seal. You can't deny the fact that moon seal in Sasuke's hand was clearly shown each time Sasuke used Senjutsu or blocked drawbacks of Senjutsu techniques (in fact, when touching the black bars, Moon Seal was shown "twice": Before and after removing them). Hence, as you claim that Moon seal was not emphatized, at least I deserve a full reasonable explanation of why the moon seal was shown in that manner each time Sasuke used Senjutsu. If you can't convince me, then I also can't give credit to your interpretation.

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About the facts you stated.

1. True, it was the power of Six Paths. But you have a mistake in here: Naruto was able to cure Gai without entering Rikudou Mode. Meaning that Six Paths powers can be used even without these states explicitely active.

2. True.

3. True.

4. True, but because Obito's essence had both Yin and Yang of the Sage of Six Paths. Ergo, Obito also had Senjutsu of the Six Paths (his TSB are proof enough).

5. True.

6. True.

7. True.

...but these facts are insufficient. With these, you only proved that Sasuke could use Senjutsu while having the Moon Seal. Kakashi didn't need a Moon Seal because he also had the "Senjutsu of Six Paths" (yang) part of Obito.

You will fully convince me when Sasuke is able to use Senjutsu without the Moon Seal. As for me, I just proved that there are at least 3 times where the correlation is met.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'll ignore the claim about 'sempou' because we reached an impasse. We can't speak conjecture vs conjecture, at this rate we will die old until this can be proven.

About the Moon Seal: I'm sorry to put it in this way, but if the moon seal wouldn't be correlated to Sasuke's attempts to use Senjutsu, then why did Kishimoto draw the hands in this way? Why didn't he just put Sasuke from front view using Senjutsu? Kishimoto is very symbolic when drawing, so it's natural to see the correlation in there.

So, I safely say that there was emphasis of the Moon Seal. You can't deny the fact that moon seal in Sasuke's hand was clearly shown each time Sasuke used Senjutsu or blocked drawbacks of Senjutsu techniques (in fact, when touching the black bars, Moon Seal was shown "twice": Before and after removing them). Hence, as you claim that Moon seal was not emphatized, at least I deserve a full reasonable explanation of why the moon seal was shown in that manner each time Sasuke used Senjutsu. If you can't convince me, then I also can't give credit to your interpretation.

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About the facts you stated.

1. True, it was the power of Six Paths. But you have a mistake in here: Naruto was able to cure Gai without entering Rikudou Mode. Meaning that Six Paths powers can be used even without these states explicitely active.

2. True.

3. True.

4. True, but because Obito's essence had both Yin and Yang of the Sage of Six Paths. Ergo, Obito also had Senjutsu of the Six Paths (his TSB are proof enough).

5. True.

6. True.

7. True.

...but these facts are insufficient. With these, you only proved that Sasuke could use Senjutsu while having the Moon Seal. Kakashi didn't need a Moon Seal because he also had the "Senjutsu of Six Paths" (yang) part of Obito.

You will fully convince me when Sasuke is able to use Senjutsu without the Moon Seal. As for me, I just proved that there are at least 3 times where the correlation is met.

Uhhh no. You yourself have admitted that all of those 7 points are true, and when put together, the points lead to Sasuke using Senjutsu without the Moon Seal. You agreed that Kakashi and Sasuke undergo the same change when using Six Paths' power to their Raikiri/Chidori, and you also agreed that Kakashi was only able to hurt Kaguya because there was Nature Energy present, and you have agreed that Kakashi did this without a Moon Seal, meaning you have agreed Sasuke can utilize Senjutsu without the Moon Seal. You may not "be convinced" as you put it, but that doesn't matter, the manga shows it and you've agreed to it.

Kishimoto drew the hands that way because Sasuke is left-handed and he couldn't just ignore the seals. Kakashi's scar is shown everytime he uses Kamui, does that mean he needs that scar to do Kamui? No, it's drawn because it has to be drawn, Kishi can't omit it. Where was it stated that only the Yang half has Senjutsu?

 

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Uhhh no. You yourself have admitted that all of those 7 points are true, and when put together, the points lead to Sasuke using Senjutsu without the Moon Seal. You agreed that Kakashi and Sasuke undergo the same change when using Six Paths' power to their Raikiri/Chidori, and you also agreed that Kakashi was only able to hurt Kaguya because there was Nature Energy present, and you have agreed that Kakashi did this without a Moon Seal, meaning you have agreed Sasuke can utilize Senjutsu without the Moon Seal. You may not "be convinced" as you put it, but that doesn't matter, the manga shows it and you've agreed to it.

Kishimoto drew the hands that way because Sasuke is left-handed and he couldn't just ignore the seals. Kakashi's scar is shown everytime he uses Kamui, does that mean he needs that scar to do Kamui? No, it's drawn because it has to be drawn, Kishi can't omit it. Where was it stated that only the Yang half has Senjutsu?

Paragraph 1: False, because I also stated the motive of why some of these points could be met. Your facts are insufficient, and now I'm going to prove you wrong.

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Madara used Senjutsu. Did he had to show the inner part of his hand? No.

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About Kakashi... unnecessarily. There are more ways to show a technique without having to focus.

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From both previous arguments, I can safely say that your argument of "Kishimoto not able to avoiding drawing the seal" was debunked. My argument of the importance of the Moon Seal for Senjutsu stands.

If you were right about your statement, Kishimoto wouldn't need to show the moon seal in the panel. He could have just drawn the black electricity from Chidori from any angle, just like Madara's jutsu, or he would not have the need to show the Moon Mark when rescuing Tobirama from the black rods (Naruto could do something like this when using Sage Mode against Pain, he broke the bars with his frog kata senjutsu). But no, he had to show the Moon Seal. He had a reason. Thrice! You can't deny this. Your argument would have more basis if this just happened once, but three is way far from coincidence.

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About the Yang of the Sage... it is in the Sage's Body:

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This said, you should recognize this:

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No more words needed for this one.

Now, if you want to be more sure about how Sasuke and Naruto obtained the powers...

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...literally given to the hands.

It is unrealistic to assume that some of their powers have no relation with the seals. With this, the only way to prove that Sasuke doesn't need the Moon Seal to use Senjutsu, again, is for Kishimoto to draw him using Senjutsu techniques, like the Black Chidori.

My case rests.