Does Sakura have feats that surpasses Tsunade?

[GetsugaTenshou]

Agreed bro, Madara sama is on another level my dear friend.



Somebody needs to re-read the manga, Tobirama also used it via Kunai.

Minato hyped a jutsu which we never saw. And you claim it's an innovation grow up mate, how old are you?

The reason I brought up once in a decade talent was because that's what he was. He wasn't comparable to the mass of people, Sakura is/was a commoner.

Anyway what is to say Tsunade's jutsu isn't already perfect why would she need to innovate a new way to use it. You can't use a flawed analogy to prove/justify a flawed point. That is unless you can prove Tsunade's jutsu itself isn't perfect or at the peak of what's possible with it.

Tobirama never used the kunai as his main medium for channelling the technique and that's evidenced by the fact that he didn't have specialized kunai for it like Minato did, and we saw the FTG: Guiding Thunder though so yeah, Minato innovated it. Also, FTG was perfect as well. All Minato did was think of new ways to use it. You've gone from trying to dispute the analogy to claiming it's flawed because you couldn't do so. Chakra Enhanced Strength is perfect, have we seen Sakura trying to master a chakra nature to combine with it so she can increase its effectiveness? She could coat her fists with elemental chakra and increase the potency of the technique but she hasn't. She could enhance both her fists and feet at the same time with it and improve her speed and strength at the same time but she hasn't. She could master chakra shape manipulation and increase the penetrative power of the technique by changing the shape of the chakra coating her fists, but again, she hasn't. Being a genius or not is irrelevant to this, my point is that Sakura never innovated Tsunade's techniques, and that's a fact. Imitation without innovation doesn't place you above the creator.

 

[To Whatever]

So far all I see are excuses and goal post moving.

 

[123fire]

It’s confirmed sakura is the strongest konoichi in the village which includes Tsunade

 

[salamander uchiha]

Tobirama never used the kunai as his main medium for channelling the technique and that's evidenced by the fact that he didn't have specialized kunai for it like Minato did, and we saw the FTG: Guiding Thunder though so yeah, Minato innovated it.

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Having a fancy shaped KunI means you invented something Anyway Tobirama using a regular marked Kunai and using it the same way Minato has done.

@ Bold: if you could show the databook entry or a scan confirming Minato invented it? Thanks.

Also, FTG was perfect as well. All Minato did was think of new ways to use it. You've gone from trying to dispute the analogy to claiming it's flawed because you couldn't do so. Chakra Enhanced Strength is perfect, have we seen Sakura trying to master a chakra nature to combine with it so she can increase its effectiveness? She could coat her fists with elemental chakra and increase the potency of the technique but she hasn't. She could enhance both her fists and feet at the same time with it and improve her speed and strength at the same time but she hasn't. She could master chakra shape manipulation and increase the penetrative power of the technique by changing the shape of the chakra coating her fists, but again, she hasn't. Being a genius or not is irrelevant to this, my point is that Sakura never innovated Tsunade's techniques, and that's a fact. Imitation without innovation doesn't place you above the creator.

So your whole premise revolves around speculative possible appliactions of CES or Yin seal? Your assuming such an application is even possible the fact that it hasnt been done negates specualtive ideals.

Like I said once in a decade genius and a normal person aren't equal to begin with. To try and compare the two to prove a point is a fallacy. You can only compare like for like to avoid using flawed anology. I'll accept it for now and as Belserion said Sakura can use shockwave punches.

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[GetsugaTenshou]

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Having a fancy shaped KunI means you invented something Anyway Tobirama using a regular marked Kunai and using it the same way Minato has done.

@ Bold: if you could show the databook entry or a scan confirming Minato invented it? Thanks.



So your whole premise revolves around speculative possible appliactions of CES or Yin seal? Your assuming such an application is even possible the fact that it hasnt been done negates specualtive ideals.

Like I said once in a decade genius and a normal person aren't equal to begin with to conpare the two to prove a point is a fallacy. You can only compare like for like to avoid used flawed anology. I'll accept it for now and as Belserion said Sakura can use shockwave punches.

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Okay then, since you refuse to accept Minato based on 'he's a genius'. Ninjutsu-wise, Shikamaru isn't a genius. Yet, he learnt his clan's special techniques but he didn't stop at that. He infused Asuma's blades with his chakra and used it to trap Hidan and Kakuzu in the Kagemane. And 'shockwave punches' isn't an innovation, it's literally just an effect of the technique. Sakura didn't do anything special there, it's the strength from the CES that created the shockwave effect. Also, I'm not assuming anything. It's common sense and it's been shown in the manga that specialized elemental chakra can be used to coat body parts

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

If Sakura was hit by the spirit bomb she would survive it since she is a great tank.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Tsunade isn't even her prime anymore.

Plus Naruto and Sasuke's arms were developed by her and not Sakura.

Shikamaru was saved by her and not Sakura.


All of Sakura's moves were created by Tsunade.


Who knows what current Sakura is now and if she is above and beyond, we need screen time to know that but that Sakura would have to be compared to a Tsunade in her prime and not the old lady running around in Part 2 or the retired one in the LAST and Boruto.

Heck after the war she retired.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Okay then, since you refuse to accept Minato based on 'he's a genius'. Ninjutsu-wise, Shikamaru isn't a genius. Yet, he learnt his clan's special techniques but he didn't stop at that. He infused Asuma's shuriken with his chakra and used it to trap Hidan and Kakuzu in the Kagemane. And 'shockwave punches' isn't an innovation, it's just an effect of the technique. Sakura didn't do anything special there, it's the strength from the CES that created the shockwave effect

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You mean these special chakra blades that absorb a persons chakra nature? Had Shikamaru done it with a regular Kunai/blade and it had the same effects. And it wasn't a clan technique either I would accept it as a feat on his part.

You can clealry see the shockwave being released there's bo need to be :salt:y about it. It's a shockwave punch dont be so hurt about it.

If you want to bash Sakura do it like others do, it's not as if I'm a fan I was just pointing out flaws in your post. You dont need to make up some lame reasons, or use crappy excuses.

Im done Salamander signing out.

 

[Mori Jin]

Nothing in the Manga states or shows her having surpassed Tsunade so no. Just s copy and paste, but still not as good read the original. There are others not from a clan that improved upon techniques. Minato with FTG. Kabuto with Edo Tensei. Not being from a clan is nothing but an excuse.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Actually feats are there... When sakura landed her punch And sent over 25 juubi clones flying.. That was a superior showing of destruction to everything we saw from tsunade...

Not to mention her superior speed when she hit kaguya

I am too lazy to provide a manga scan

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

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You mean these special chakra blades that absorb a persons chakra nature? Had Shikamaru done it with a regular Kunai/blade and it had the same effects. And it wasn't a clan technique either I would accept it as a feat on his part.

You can clealry see the shockwave being released there's bo need to be :salt:y about it. It's a shockwave punch dont be so hurt about it.

If you want to bash Sakura do it like others do, it's not as if I'm a fan I was just pointing out flaws in your post. You dont need to make up some lame reasons, or use crappy excuses.

Im done Salamander signing out.

What does it matter what he did it with? Point is, he added onto the Kagemane and improved it by himself. I also never said there wasn't a shockwave. All I said was that the shockwave isn't an innovation, it's just the effect of the CES and that's glaringly obvious. Punching upwards isn't an innovation and to interpret it as such is confirmation bias. You'd have to be desperate to make Sakura look better to accept that as meaningful innovation. I'm not making up any reasons or excuses, I'm just pointing out what was shown in the manga. The fact is, Sakura never created any techniques of her own and neither did she innovate Tsunade's techniques to make them better.

 

[To Whatever]

No one has brought anything to note on how Sakura has surpassed her.

 

[salamander uchiha]

What does it matter what he did it with? Point is, he added onto the Kagemane and improved it by himself. I also never said there wasn't a shockwave. All I said was that the shockwave isn't an innovation, it's just the effect of the CES and that's glaringly obvious. Punching upwards isn't an innovation. I'm not making up any reasons or excuses, I'm just pointing out what was shown in the manga. The fact is, Sakura never created any techniques of her own and neither did she innovate Tsunade's techniques to make them better.

The tool absorbs the persons chakra nature, Shikamaru didn't innovate anything dont you understand the manga scan?

And yes it's a shockwave up down left or right is irrelevant its a clear shockwave hitting an unsupported object coming down with CES would break it in two unless its not completely solid. However it was shattered into bits via shockwave instead of split in two that's why the effects of the showave release are clearly visble. Why such a hige level of denial?

As for innovating jutsu Sakura gained the yin seal mid war I dont think she'd be innovating anything on that front. And if the shockwave punch is anything to go by she's innovated.

I only replied to clarify the Chakra blades thing I've said Im done and I am. If yoibwant to bash Sakura fo it like everybody like everybody else instead of use silly excuses.

 

[To Whatever]

Actually feats are there... When sakura landed her punch And sent over 25 juubi clones flying.. That was a superior showing of destruction to everything we saw from tsunade...

Not to mention her superior speed when she hit kaguya

I am too lazy to provide a manga scan

Sending juubi clones flying is feat?

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[Team7monaa]

She replicated an Uzumaki + Senju entire moveset at 16, she is a genjutsu type and combat-wise she’s shown to be more agile. She also can carry more chakra in her seal as seen in the war arc and her CES is much more destructive however she lacks experience, and medical ninjutsu feats that Tsunade has.

She has though surpassed her.

 

[To Whatever]

She replicated an Uzumaki + Senju entire moveset at 16, she is a genjutsu type and combat-wise she’s shown to be more agile and slightly better. She also can carry more chakra as seen in the war arc however she lacks experience, and medical ninjutsu feats that put her above tsunade.

She has though surpassed her.

-She didn't replicate it. She was taught it, the requirements are only CC. You're implying she looked at the tech and self-taught it herself.

-How was she shown to be more agile and better?

-Where does it states that she carries more chakra?

-What feats?



Answer this: Does Sakura and the kages do better vs Madara than Tsunade?

 

[3MESSIAH]

Sending juubi clones flying is feat?

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Wrong manga scan
Try again bruh

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

The tool absorbs the persons chakra nature, Shikamaru didn't innovate anything dont you understand the manga scan?

And yes it's a shockwave up down left or right is irrelevant its a clear shockwave hitting an unsupported object coming down with CES would break it in two unless its not completely solid. However it was shattered into bits via shockwave instead of split in two that's why the effects of the showave release are clearly visble. Why such a hige level of denial?

As for innovating jutsu Sakura gained the yin seal mid war I dont think she'd be innovating anything on that front. And if the shockwave punch is anything to go by she's innovated.

I only replied to clarify the Chakra blades thing I've said Im done and I am. If yoibwant to bash Sakura fo it like everybody like everybody else instead of use silly excuses.

You're being intellectually dishonest if you can't see that Sakura did nothing special there. A large force was expended upwards and created a shockwave, wow, shocking. You won't accept Minato's innovation because 'he's a genius' and because Tobirama used a kunai once even when there was nothing that suggested that was his main method of using FTG, you won't accept Shikamaru's innovation because he used chakra blades, yet you can accept Sakura punching the air with Tsunade's technique as innovation. Can you not see your double standards here? In your own words, Minato having 'fancy shaped kunai' doesn't mean he innovated, but apparently Sakura punching the air with someone else's technique is innovation. Apparently, criticizing a character by stating the obvious is also 'character bashing' to you

 

[To Whatever]

Wrong manga scan
Try again bruh

The juubi she knocked up were only displaced.

Her feat of destruction doesn't translate into skill.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Actually feats are there... When sakura landed her punch And sent over 25 juubi clones flying.. That was a superior showing of destruction to everything we saw from tsunade...

Not to mention her superior speed when she hit kaguya

I am too lazy to provide a manga scan

Did Tsunade face off against a large number of clones?

No

Apparently a fixed free falling speed means you can have intense speed, unless I never knew Sakura had the ability to fly.