does nagato have rikudou chakra or not?

[LoZelda101]

I keep seeing comments that since rinnegan possess ashura/indra's chakra = six path chakra.

their defense

kakashi had sharingan chakra in his stupid brain, therefore nagato would have rinnegan chakra = six path.




my attempted debunk

> If one posses yin-yang release = is an ingredient they have rikudou chakra.

> nagato only has yang release.

> what the sage did was give his chakra to both of them equally. naruto obtain yang power, sasuke obtain yin power. however both those powers possess yin-yang chakra, cause that chakra is the six path chakra( rikudou chakra).

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do not confuse yin and yang release with yin-yang release.

ffs where is sensei-sama when someone actually needs him lol.

 

[Holy God]

I don't know if you've reached the conclusive answer you were hoping to find, but I'll help summarize what I believe to be true.

The brain of an Uchiha responds to emotional peaking and the eyes are a reflection of such. When one reaches a certain level of emotional offset, their brain will produce special chakra that flows into the eyes and allows change. An Uchiha's eyes will keep this chakra, but the brain will always be able to produce it. This is why when a transplant occurs, the eye is permanently in the state it was received, since the brain will have no control over it like how it normally has control over hormones. This chakra isn't what powers the techniques, but what makes those techniques possible. This is what I believe you to be confused about. If someone like Kakashi can't generate the special chakra and it's kept in the eye, why does it never run out? That's because the special chakra is for enabling the abilities while the regular chakra supply is what powers them.

Yes, Nagato has Six Paths chakra in his eyes, but the chakra is only in the eyes and cannot be used for anything else.

 

[rollin]

Obito called him the second Sage of the six paths

 

[Senpou]

Rinnegan is six paths chakra, that's why it isn't easy to control. And yes Nagato possesses that chakra.

 

[LoZelda101]

Obito called him the second Sage of the six paths

what does that even mean, and why would he be the 2nd when madara was the one who unlocked the eyes. lol

Yes, Nagato has Six Paths chakra in his eyes, but the chakra is only in the eyes and cannot be used for anything else.

So he has the chakra but he can't use rinnegan's power to sasuke or madara's degree? that doesn't make sense to me. even kakashi was able to buff up his sharingan to be top tier just with obito's rikudou chakra. anyway, if you're right, then he is rikudou related no matter what, even if nagato pales in comparison to the others. imo

 

[TheSages456]

Yes, Nagato possesses Six Paths chakra due to his Rinnegan.

 

[Holy God]

So he has the chakra but he can't use rinnegan's power to sasuke or madara's degree? that doesn't make sense to me. even kakashi was able to buff up his sharingan to be top tier just with obito's rikudou chakra. anyway, if you're right, then he is rikudou related no matter what, even if nagato pales in comparison to the others. imo

I'm not completely sure by what you mean by "degree", but it is a stated fact that in order for eyes to reach their full potential they must be together and used by the original owner. Kakashi's usage of the Mangekyou Sharingan at that point was solely dependent on Obito's chakra, so since Kakashi's chakra wasn't the source of power, it'd be as good as Obito himself using it.

 

[Jokule67]

I'm not completely sure by what you mean by "degree", but it is a stated fact that in order for eyes to reach their full potential they must be together and used by the original owner. Kakashi's usage of the Mangekyou Sharingan at that point was solely dependent on Obito's chakra, so since Kakashi's chakra wasn't the source of power, it'd be as good as Obito himself using it.

Exactly, Obito actually POSSESED Kakashi with Six Paths chakra in ghost form.

 

[LoZelda101]

I'm not completely sure by what you mean by "degree", but it is a stated fact that in order for eyes to reach their full potential they must be together and used by the original owner. Kakashi's usage of the Mangekyou Sharingan at that point was solely dependent on Obito's chakra, so since Kakashi's chakra wasn't the source of power, it'd be as good as Obito himself using it.

So then why isn't nagato listed as yin-yang user if he has six path chakra? as for the dms kakashi, yes that makes sense.

 

[Holy God]

So then why isn't nagato listed as yin-yang user if he has six path chakra? as for the dms kakashi, yes that makes sense.

The Databook lists the main portrayals of the user, just like Naruto and Sasuke are not listed as users of yin and yang respectively. It could also be as I previously said, that since the Six Paths chakra isn't specifically his and can only be used for his Rinnegan techniques, that it was not considered.

 

[rollin]

what does that even mean, and why would he be the 2nd when madara was the one who unlocked the eyes. lol

I meant to say third Sage of six path

 

[Jokule67]

So then why isn't nagato listed as yin-yang user if he has six path chakra? as for the dms kakashi, yes that makes sense.

He doesnt have yinyang jutsu. He wasnt taught that like Obito. And whatever rikudou chakra he has is in the Rinnegan themselves not his own chakra. The eyes hold all the chakra and power of Six Paths however rudimentary it may be through his output.

 

[Troyg39]

Question. When Obito took out Nagato's eyes, would you still have considered him to have Rikudou Chakra and why? I think the answer to that solves everything

 

[LoZelda101]

The Databook lists the main portrayals of the user, just like Naruto and Sasuke are not listed as users of yin and yang respectively. It could also be as I previously said, that since the Six Paths chakra isn't specifically his and can only be used for his Rinnegan techniques, that it was not considered.

The databook diagram isn't referring to yin-yang, just yin and yang. otherwise itachi and sakura would have it lol The six path chakra is suppose (or atleast I thought) has access to yin-yang release which is where the rinnegan hype etc came from.

 

[Jokule67]

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Rinnegan is Six Paths Power as stated by Hagaromo himself.

 

[Holy God]

The databook diagram isn't referring to yin-yang, just yin and yang. otherwise itachi and sakura would have it lol

Yin and Yang are to Yin-Yang Style as Water and Earth are to Wood Style. I'm not sure what you think would be said if he had it though that is absent now?

 

[LoZelda101]

Yin and Yang are to Yin-Yang Style as Water and Earth are to Wood Style. I'm not sure what you think would be said if he had it though that is absent now?

the databook is ****ing retarded lol. isn't izanagi itself has the bases of yin yang release? and yet.

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wood release is not a good comparison because he could've already known earth and water release separately. where as sasuke did not use yang release. imo.

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^ does hashi cells not offer any yang? i can't remember but i believe it did. If it does, then i'm incline to believe the databook doesn't reference yin-yang but only yin and yang. OR it does mention it, however since izanagi is a genjutsu yin-yang. it's classified as a yin. because.

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Rinnegan is Six Paths Power as stated by Hagaromo himself.

when the chakra in madara's body (indra/ashura) form rinnegan, how do you know that said chakra goes into the rinnegan and not just stay within madara when he uses it? this could also explain why it took madara near his death bed just to awaken the eyes or why he can use susanoo without his eyes. could also explain why nagato can't deactivate it.

 

[Holy God]

the databook is ****ing retarded lol. isn't izanagi itself has the bases of yin yang release? and yet.

Izanagi is considered genjutsu though, so it is rightfully classified as a Yin Style technique.

wood release is not a good comparison because he could've already known earth and water release separately. where as sasuke did not use yang release. imo.

^ does hashi cells not offer any yang? i can't remember.

would that not grant sasuke yang chakra?

It's as good a comparison as any other. In order to use a combination style, one must have an affinity for it, not just have mastered the separate styles that make it. Sasuke is not considered to have Yang Style or Yin-Yang Style because he is from Indra's side, and since Kabuto modified the cells, they seem to not have much an effect on Sasuke except for the healing.

 

[NextGenNinja]

The rinnegan itself contains hagoromo's chakra, any sort of chakra enhancement would be negligible though.

 

[Jokule67]

the databook is ****ing retarded lol. isn't izanagi itself has the bases of yin yang release? and yet.

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wood release is not a good comparison because he could've already known earth and water release separately. where as sasuke did not use yang release. imo.

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^ does hashi cells not offer any yang? i can't remember but i believe it did. If it does, then i'm incline to believe the databook doesn't reference yin-yang but only yin and yang. OR it does mention it, however since izanagi is a genjutsu yin-yang. it's classified as a yin. because.

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when the chakra in madara's body (indra/ashura) form rinnegan, how do you know that said chakra goes into the rinnegan and not just stay within madara when he uses it? this could also explain why it took madara near his death bed just to awaken the eyes or why he can use susanoo without his eyes. could also explain why nagato can't deactivate it.

Heres why. Its because Rinnegan never lost any of its power. It just requires the original owner to rightfully bring it out.

The Rinnegan has so much power in it that Obito almost went mad with one and Nagato went world domination crazy. Yet they were still powerful but never released its true power.

I guess one can conclude that Madaras six paths chakra is needed to fully utilize the Six Paths Chakra within Rinnegan. Obito and Kakashi are prime examples.