OMFG if you are Uchiha you already have a little bit of DnA and vise versa. If you are distant relatives then you share DNA already. Especially if you are close decendants to the direct line back to the So6p.
many things are plausible, but i think youre trying to find connections between the techniques where there really is one main connection, izanami was created to offset izanagi, and considering itachi gave us a full run down of izanami and didnt mention senju dna you can conclude either
- you dont need senju dna to use izanagi, even though it completes/enhances the jutsu[ but tobi's words speak to the contrary]
- izanami doesnt require senju dna
i understand why you bring up the cost of using the technique and their classification, but those 2 facts are directly related, theyre kinjutsu because its a taboo technique that robs a uchiha of theyre most valuable possession, their eye, the common factor between the jutsu's are the sharingan, the same cant be explicitly said about senju dna
Yah, but I would have to agree with what tobi said about the requirements needed to be able to use izanagi. You might wonna check out my earlier posts on this thread. One of them shows clearly how the izanagi users need both uchiha and senju to be able to use the jutsu. The post contains images from the anime as evidence that tobi and danzo both had uchiha and senju dna which explained how they were able to spam izanagi whether perfect or imperfect.
You could be right, izanami may not require senju dna but what's the reason it doesn't require senju dna if izanagi does and it has causes similar to it?
I completely agree with the point you made in the last paragraph.
I KNOW THE UCHIHA CLAN AND UZAMIKI CLAN BOTH ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE SO6P... so im pretty sure if your in those clans you are a decedent and have a blood line... and are able regardless to to use the justus to an extent... the uzamaki clan was a descendant and came from the other side of the blood line that we really haven't seen yet other then being able to hold a massive amount of chakara there are and will be new techniques as im sure its not close to over yet...
He was an Edo. People still don't get that Senju DNA powers the Sharingan abilities. Danzo had Senju DNA because he had many sharingan in his arms that alone took a lot of chakra, plus he needed it probably for the use of KA as well. You see he can use his daily, and look at the other effects. Shisui's KA can only be used once every decade.
It's called loyalty, an attribute which clans have. Even if they were arrogant and doing wrong, they were still uchiha. And besides, wouldn't it have been the same outcome with more arrogant users, only worse lol 'cause their would be more blind uchiha You fool xd
It's not complicated at all, it's piss obvious actually. You just can't see beyond what had been said in the manga and what context it has been said in. You say Itachi had Senju DNA yet you make no mention of his piss poor stamina, which has been stated to be the joint lowest in the databooks along with Haku I believe. Really.
Since when did I claim that itachi has senju dna? You obviously got the wrong impression. I was more theoretical and wanted to get different views on what people think on this matter. It's true that itachi had low chakra reserve but anything could've happened when he got edo'd? There's alot of things kishi hides from his fans I suppose. xd
It's not at all obvious. This is just your assumption with a hint of ignorance xd
It's called loyalty, an attribute which clans have. Even if they were arrogant and doing wrong, they were still uchiha. And besides, wouldn't it have been the same outcome with more arrogant users, only worse lol 'cause their would be more blind uchiha You fool xd
Since when did I claim that itachi has senju dna? You obviously got the wrong impression. I was more theoretical and wanted to get different views on what people think on this matter. It's true that itachi had low chakra reserve but anything could've happened when he got edo'd? There's alot of things kishi hides from his fans I suppose. xd
I don't really understand what the huge difference is between the Uchiha and Senju genetically. They are blood related, and if you are an Uchiha, you are part Senju.
It's like having a brother and needing his blood to perform a technique... which doesn't make sense because you basically have his blood anyway.
Yah, but I would have to agree with what tobi said about the requirements needed to be able to use izanagi. You might wonna check out my earlier posts on this thread. One of them shows clearly how the izanagi users need both uchiha and senju to be able to use the jutsu. The post contains images from the anime as evidence that tobi and danzo both had uchiha and senju dna which explained how they were able to spam izanagi whether perfect or imperfect.
You could be right, izanami may not require senju dna but what's the reason it doesn't require senju dna if izanagi does and it has causes similar to it?
I completely agree with the point you made in the last paragraph.
well i personally think senju dna is a necessary component considering what izanagi does,taking the space around the user and turning reality into a genjutsu itself within that space. story line wise it makes sense that a jutsu that mirrors the sage's jutsu would require both senju and uchiha elements to be used, and its safe to assume izanagi has heavy chakra drainage, which senju dna would aid with as well
but izanami was not of the sage nor mirrors anything we know of him, it was created as a direct result of izanagi over use, and looking at what the jutsu actually does its not doing anything ridiculously out of the norm for a sharingan, its creating genjutsu in the opponents mind, something well within the means of those eyes to begin with, unlike izanagi's reality bending abilities.
and besides why would you create an eye technique then make the dna of your arch nemesis[the senju] the only way you can use that technique, that was explicitly created for usage against your own clan members to handle a growing problem of izanagi over use
He was an Edo. People still don't get that Senju DNA powers the Sharingan abilities. Danzo had Senju DNA because he had many sharingan in his arms that alone took a lot of chakra, plus he needed it probably for the use of KA as well. You see he can use his daily, and look at the other effects. Shisui's KA can only be used once every decade.
It's a fact that senju dna enhances the sharingan abilities and aids the user removing a large amount of strain depending on how much of the senju dna the user has obtained. Considering how much effect izanagi would put on the user's chakra, it's only logical to say that senju dna is needed for this uchiha kinjutsu in order to help and benefit the user. This was something which some of the users failed to understand on this thread.
but izanami was not of the sage nor mirrors anything we know of him, it was created as a direct result of izanagi over use, and looking at what the jutsu actually does its not doing anything ridiculously out of the norm for a sharingan, its creating genjutsu in the opponents mind, something well within the means of those eyes to begin with, unlike izanagi's reality bending abilities.
and besides why would you create an eye technique then make the dna of your arch nemesis[the senju] the only way you can use that technique, that was explicitly created for usage against your own clan members to handle a growing problem of izanagi over use
Izanami, like izanagi is based on an ability of the so6ps. The ability to decide destiny while the other ability was to alter it. It's clear that izanami and izanagi are both genjutsu as well as kinjutsu even though they're methods are different to each other. I don't understand why your trying to differentiate them in such a way?
Its logical actually to create a jutsu that has almost the same power to counteract the opposing jutsu. It wouldn't make sense to create a jutsu that is weaker to stop the other jutsu. They both put an inimical effect on the user as well as the enemy which is why their requirements are grand.
Well first of all: you can't say that Senju dna is needed for sure, it aids to make it more "perfect" maybe(according to notoriously unreliable Tobi) or reduces the stress for a user but those are perks that don't stop you from effectively using the technique. And Izanami is different than Izanagi. Izanagi was created by SO6P (senju&uchiha) and Izanami was created by Uchiha (only Uchiha). So unless you mean to say that all Uchiha have Senju blood(would maybe make sense) or even something more far-fetched along the lines of all Uchiha who used Izanagi aquiring senju dna before-hand you have to allow for the 2 techniques to be separate to some extent.
Well first of all: you can't say that Senju dna is needed for sure, it aids to make it more "perfect" maybe(according to notoriously unreliable Tobi) or reduces the stress for a user but those are perks that don't stop you from effectively using the technique. And Izanami is different than Izanagi. Izanagi was created by SO6P (senju&uchiha) and Izanami was created by Uchiha (only Uchiha). So unless you mean to say that all Uchiha have Senju blood(would maybe make sense) or even something more far-fetched along the lines of all Uchiha who used Izanagi aquiring senju dna before-hand you have to allow for the 2 techniques to be separate to some extent.
For a crazy jutsu that comes with a price of sealing the eye's sight forever, it would make perfect sense for it to have a requirement that is difficult to get hold of. Because of such a hefty price and a huge requirement, such a jutsu became classed as a kinjutsu. Overall, the uchiha and senju powers need to work together in order for such a jutsu to work effectively. Those must have been some dexterous and dependable uchiha that managed to create a jutsu that is based on the ability of so6ps that "decides destiny".
It's true that all uchiha do have some portion of senju blood since they are somehow related with both of their ancestors being brothers. The same can be said about the senju, but this portion of blood is insufficient to aid any jutsu. Which is why they are required a certain amount of dna for izanagi (and maybe izanami). I'd advise you to please read the previous posts before you post.
didnt itachi say that quite a lot of members of the uchiha clan used izanagi and that they had to be stopped with izanami by certain individuals.so that would mean that a lot of them possessed SENJU DNA. hmmm????
didnt itachi say that quite a lot of members of the uchiha clan used izanagi and that they had to be stopped with izanami by certain individuals.so that would mean that a lot of them possessed SENJU DNA. hmmm????
Please read the earlier comments. You misinterpreted what itachi had said. Itachi didn't specifically state the number of uchiha that used izanagi. It's logical to assume that there were alot of uchiha involved in the fight, but their were only afew users among them that actually possessed izanagi and used it for themselves. Which means that every uchiha in the fight did not possess senju dna but it was only some.
During the fight between tobi and konan, tobi stated that izanagi "can only be used by someone possessing both the powers of the uchiha and the senju".
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Izanagi is one of the forbidden genjutsu of the uchiha clan that is cast on the user instead of others and has the power to alter destiny. The powers of both uchiha and senju were created by sage of the six paths.
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Izanami is the other forbidden genjutsu of the uchiha clan that unlike izanagi, has the ability to decide destiny rather than altering it.
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According to itachi, izanagi and izanami form a pair. Both izanagi and izanami have the price of blinding the user, causing the jutsu wielding eye to close. Also both izanagi and izanami are classed as kinjutsu.
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If izanagi requires both uchiha and senju powers in order to be used, then izanami must also require both the powers of uchiha and senju to be used. Itachi is the only one seen to use izanami which means he could have senju dna in order to use izanami?
I like this thread because it is something to think about, It's a very interesting question.
But i have to say no, Itachi, Shisui, and Sasuke are all real Uchiha so no. lol jk jk
Izanagi: Does require you to have both Uchiha and Senju DNA
but
Izanami: Is just a Uchiha clan, counter to Izanagi because they knew some with Izanagi would alway go out of control with it so they needed a way to stop them.
izanagi and izanami are classed as kinjutsu because both izanagi and izanami can cause you to become blind.
I'm not saying that this isn't possible be cause it is very much possible, lol anything is possible in the world of naruto.
Matter of fact i take my statement back, I'm on the fence about this but over all + rep.
I like this thread because it is something to think about, It's a very interesting question.
But i have to say no, Itachi, Shisui, and Sasuke are all real Uchiha so no. lol jk jk
Izanagi: Does require you to have both Uchiha and Senju DNA
but
Izanami: Is just a Uchiha clan, counter to Izanagi because they knew some with Izanagi would alway go out of control with it so they needed a way to stop them.
izanagi and izanami are classed as kinjutsu because both izanagi and izanami can cause you to become blind.
I'm not saying that this isn't possible be cause it is very much possible, lol anything is possible in the world of naruto.
Matter of fact i take my statement back, I'm on the fence about this but over all + rep.
Thanks, it is a very interesting thread if I say so myself xd Mainly because its not specifically stated in the manga that "Senju DNA is not required for Izanami" so there we have our opportunity to speculate. Besides, it can be possible that 'Edo Itachi' had Senju DNA and how we can prove this I'll explain.
Firstly, it's clearly stated that Izanagi and Izanami form a pair, both dojutsu are unique to Uchiha and both have the price of deteriorating ones eyesight to the point that the user becomes blind thus giving them the classification that they're kinjutsu. Secondly, Izanami was created to counter Izanagi and subdue the users as you've correctly pointed out. However, it was not shown or mentioned whether the users that used Izanami possessed Senju DNA or not? Another thing, just before the war began, Obito gained access to vast amounts of Senju DNA with the help of Hashirama's living statue, Gedo Mazou statue, Yamato and I think White Zetsu for duplication. If this enhancement and process of strengthing was also applied on the Edo ninja, then it's very likely that Itachi Uchiha possessed Senju DNA therefore allowing him to use Izanami.
You fool xd
