Does Itachi have Senju DNA??

[Bboyinsayn]

no, that'll just troll Sasugay more

 

[killerman82]

Maybe

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

No he doesn't.

Izanagi doesn't require Senju DNA, it just enhances it:


Also, Itachi never used Izanagi.

this^

 

[Flowland]

Ok. This has been posted before I think...but something along the lines of:

non-uchiha+senju dna=imperfect izanagi (danzo).
uchiha(probably)+senju dna=perfect izanagi(tobi, SO6P etc)
uchiha="regular" izanagi (so far..noone we know? itachi if we consider izanagi=izanami and "multiple uchiha in the past")

I would consider non-uchiha with stolen sharingan+stolen senju dna as sort of a hack and uchiha eyes+stolen or inherited senju dna as the perfect SO6P version of the technique

now as far as Itachi goes, he didn't actually use Izanagi, so all discussion is eventually fruitless because we just don't know much about Izanami. It's probably possibly that it is improved by senju dna the same way as Izanagi or then again maybe not.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

they form a pair because one was specifically created to counter act the other, that doesnt necessarily mean that the requirements to perform izanagi, something that was compared to the sage's creation of all things and would make sense to have both aspects of uchiha and senju to utilize, are the same requirements you would need to use izanami, a technique explicitly created by uchiha to offset the rampant use of izanami

 

[Prince Charles]

imo even tho its highly implied dont need senju dna izanagi its still not certain for sure if you need it or not?

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

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Clearly showing that multiple people were using the jutsu and it was a major issue. If there were only a minimal number, why would a new forbidden jutsu, which costs the user their eye, be formed? Make of it what you will, but I think suggesting that all of these Uchihas had Senju DNA is unreasonable.

Noo, that just shows multiple clansmen involved in the battle. The number of uchiha using the jutsu isn't mentioned or shown. The battle was a major issue but the number of uchiha using the jutsu would have been short. Because the uchiha were intelligent, they knew that if the numbers grew with the uchiha misusing the jutsu, if would have caused chaos and would have been too late to do anything. They must've come up with a new jutsu; izanami, before the number of uchiha misusing izanagi grew greatly.

What tobi said makes perfect sense. You think of it too lightly and besides, why would tobi lie if he knew he was going to be the victor of the fight between konan. He was serious because he knew konan was going to die.

 

[OnPoint]

Noo, that just shows multiple clansmen involved in the battle. The number of uchiha using the jutsu isn't mentioned or shown. The battle was a major issue but the number of uchiha using the jutsu would have been short. Because the uchiha were intelligent, they knew that if the numbers grew with the uchiha misusing the jutsu, if would have caused chaos and would have been too late to do anything. They must've come up with a new jutsu; izanami, before the number of uchiha misusing izanagi grew greatly.

What tobi said makes perfect sense. You think of it too lightly and besides, why would tobi lie if he knew he was going to be the victor of the fight between konan. He was serious because he knew konan was going to die.

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"During an important fight, where Uchiha were not allowed to fail..." - Not an Uchiha, simply Uchiha, clearly speaking of multiple members of the clan, not just one.

"...used it too much for themselves." - Clearly multiple people must've been using it since any one Uchiha could only use it two times.

"But more than one person was (using it)." - Enough to cause people to fight over its use.

"Izanami was created to stop that." - An eye stealing, forbidden technique would be created to just stop a few people?

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But that's just it, Tobi wasn't lying, because it seems he's not an Uchiha and therefore requires the DNA from both clans. The same applies to Danzo. This does not apply to the Uchiha clan ancestors or Itachi himself.

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[Shunsin no Shisui]

they form a pair because one was specifically created to counter act the other, that doesnt necessarily mean that the requirements to perform izanagi, something that was compared to the sage's creation of all things and would make sense to have both aspects of uchiha and senju to utilize, are the same requirements you would need to use izanami, a technique explicitly created by uchiha to offset the rampant use of izanami

Sorry, i kinda lost you at the end. As stated in the thread. "Both izanagi and izanami have the price of blinding the user, causing the jutsu wielding eye to close. Also both izanagi and izanami are classed as kinjutsu." Not to forget they are the only two kinjutsu of their type and therefore must have something in common. Like I said earlier, it's plausible.

 

[nj tandi]

Tobi said that one needs to have both Uchiha and Senju blood to use Izanagi,not that I trust what the guy says.Anyway,that means the previous olden day Uchiha must have had Senju blood as well,as Itachi said they used Izanagi.

Which brings me to my point.Uchiha blood is Senju blood.Each clan is descended from one of the sons of the sage of the 6 paths.As both the brothers were sons of the same person, they obviously had the same blood. Hence,at a basic level, both the Uchiha and the Senju have the same blood.It's just that different mutations took place on each of the sons,but the potential for either of the mutations to take place is there in anyone of either the Uchiha or the Senju,or a descendent thereof.
Anyone agree?

Edit:I put in the Tobi part cause that's what got me thinking.
What I'm trying to say is there's no truth in saying one needs Uchia and Senju blood to use Izanagi,as both the Uchiha and the Senju have the same blood.

Problem solved.

 

[markdabomb22]

Noo, that just shows multiple clansmen involved in the battle. The number of uchiha using the jutsu isn't mentioned or shown. The battle was a major issue but the number of uchiha using the jutsu would have been short. Because the uchiha were intelligent, they knew that if the numbers grew with the uchiha misusing the jutsu, if would have caused chaos and would have been too late to do anything. They must've come up with a new jutsu; izanami, before the number of uchiha misusing izanagi grew greatly.

What tobi said makes perfect sense. You think of it too lightly and besides, why would tobi lie if he knew he was going to be the victor of the fight between konan. He was serious because he knew konan was going to die.

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The page said "If there is only one Izanagi user then it's no problem.But if over two use it then a fight begins between uchiha over a personally convenient result.Izanami was created to stop that"
Meaning that it was already happening....... it said to stop it not prevent it. it was clearly mentioned that more then two uchiha were using Izanagi thus Izanami needed to be created.....

 

[HiddenWarrior]

I doubt it.

Because it would mean Sasuke holds Senju DNA & that's a hell no.

 

[killer mookai]

idk but this all very confusing

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

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"During an important fight, where Uchiha were not allowed to fail..." - Not an Uchiha, simply Uchiha, clearly speaking of multiple members of the clan, not just one.

"...used it too much for themselves." - Clearly multiple people must've been using it since any one Uchiha could only use it two times.

"But more than one person was (using it)." - Enough to cause people to fight over its use.

Oh man did you ever go to school? :sy: The word 'multiple' is used to imply more than "1", could be 7 or 8. It doesn't have to be 100.

"Izanami was created to stop that." - An eye stealing, forbidden technique would be created to just stop a few people?

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Why not? Izanagi was a very effective jutsu, it wasn't considered a kinjutsu for nothing. It instantly caused you to lose eyesight in one eye upon use and allowed you to use one of the abilities of the so6ps; renowned as the 'God of Naruto Universe.' Yah, it is some jutsu.

But that's just it, Tobi wasn't lying, because it seems he's not an Uchiha and therefore requires the DNA from both clans. The same applies to Danzo. This does not apply to the Uchiha clan ancestors or Itachi himself.

Look, please don't complicate things. Let's just say if your an uchiha, you would need senju dna to use the izanagi(still not sure bout izanami) and if your senju, you would need uchiha dna to use the izanagi(and maybe izanami).

 

[cian]

i dont think so

 

[Expulso]

No, he does not.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

Sorry, i kinda lost you at the end. As stated in the thread. "Both izanagi and izanami have the price of blinding the user, causing the jutsu wielding eye to close. Also both izanagi and izanami are classed as kinjutsu." Not to forget they are the only two kinjutsu of their type and therefore must have something in common. Like I said earlier, it's plausible.

many things are plausible, but i think youre trying to find connections between the techniques where there really is one main connection, izanami was created to offset izanagi, and considering itachi gave us a full run down of izanami and didnt mention senju dna you can conclude either

- you dont need senju dna to use izanagi, even though it completes/enhances the jutsu[ but tobi's words speak to the contrary]

- izanami doesnt require senju dna

i understand why you bring up the cost of using the technique and their classification, but those 2 facts are directly related, theyre kinjutsu because its a taboo technique that robs a uchiha of theyre most valuable possession, their eye, the common factor between the jutsu's are the sharingan, the same cant be explicitly said about senju dna

 

[OnPoint]

Oh man did you ever go to school? :sy: The word 'multiple' is used to imply more than "1", could be 7 or 8. It doesn't have to be 100.

Painfully obvious that by 'multiple' the manga is implying many.

Why not? Izanagi was a very effective jutsu, it wasn't considered a kinjutsu for nothing. It instantly caused you to lose eyesight in one eye upon use and allowed you to use one of the abilities of the so6ps; renowned as the 'God of Naruto Universe.' Yah, it is some jutsu.

So eyes would be sacrificed to stop '6 or 7' arrogant users who were simply evading death for the briefest of moments? lol.

Look, please don't complicate things. Let's just say if your an uchiha, you would need senju dna to use the izanagi(still not sure bout izanami) and if your senju, you would need uchiha dna to use the izanagi(and maybe izanami).

It's not complicated at all, it's piss obvious actually. You just can't see beyond what had been said in the manga and what context it has been said in. You say Itachi had Senju DNA yet you make no mention of his piss poor stamina, which has been stated to be the joint lowest in the databooks along with Haku I believe. Really.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

I doubt it.

Because it would mean Sasuke holds Senju DNA & that's a hell no.

You know sasuke does have a very tiny amount of senju dna as with the rest of uchiha like "nj tandi" and "Renon" stated. But that answer isn't adequate.

 

[Bijuu Kage]

no