Does Indra have Rikudou Chakra?

[gerizzyYMcrew]

10/10...would read again...let's put another confused topic to an end :bdpf:

only small thing I'd like to add is that perfect susanoo was stated to just be a mangekyo sharingan jutsu.

I guess only those with strong enough chakra could use the perfect form which just so happened to be indra's reincarnations who JUST so happened to have EMS (sounds crazy but knowing kishimoto he probably did that on purpose)

 

[SenseiSama]

pure fanfiction speculation made up bullshit

1. Madara got his eyesight restored, Indra never needed an eye transplant

2. DMS Kakashi had PS because Obito had Rikudou chakra, Sasuke's Susanoo upgraded to PS the minute he received Hagoromo's chakra

3. Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu and TSB, without Sage chakra Susanoo has no way of defending itself and his avatar will lack the power to match his brother's

4. Hagoromo's chakra is essentially Senjutsu because he inherited it from Kaguya who possessed Six Path Senjutsu. Only Sage Mode users have the markings Indra had and his transmigrants were both compatible with Senjutsu chakra.

5. You blatantly ignore manga facts which just shows you're a butthurt in denial

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

1. Madara got his eyesight restored, Indra never needed an eye transplant

2. DMS Kakashi had PS because Obito had Rikudou chakra, Sasuke's Susanoo upgraded to PS the minute he received Hagoromo's chakra

3. Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu and TSB, without Sage chakra Susanoo has no way of defending itself and his avatar will lack the power to match his brother's

4. Hagoromo's chakra is essentially Senjutsu because he inherited it from Kaguya who possessed Six Path Senjutsu. Only Sage Mode users have the markings Indra had and his transmigrants were both compatible with Senjutsu chakra.

5. You blatantly ignore manga facts which just shows you're a butthurt in denial

1. maybe because indra was never put into a situation where izanagi was needed

2. which fuels the point I made in my "10/10" comment earlier

3. that is pure speculation...show me where in the manga/databook did it state that asura had six paths senjutsu

4. I guess kimimaro kaguya possessed some form of senjutsu since he too had eye markings correct? lololololol

5. you stole my line mr. spaceman

 

[Styles]

If you agree that Indra doesn't have Hagoromo's chakra and Hagoromo didn't have Kaguya's then I don't know why you argued with me in the first place. I never said Indra didn't have strong chakra.

Indra does have Hagoromo's chakra though. That was clearly stated he had Hagoromo's strong chakra. But obviously it'll be his own chakra signature since he was born with that chakra.

 

[NarutoX28]

Indra does have Hagoromo's chakra though. That was clearly stated he had Hagoromo's strong chakra. But obviously it'll be his own chakra signature since he was born with that chakra.

Hagoromo's Chakra is both Yin + Yang. Indra only had the Yin component, so he did not have Rikudou's Chakra.

 

[SenseiSama]

1. maybe because indra was never put into a situation where izanagi was needed

He used Mangekyo without going blind

3. that is pure speculation...show me where in the manga/databook did it state that asura had six paths senjutsu

Uhmm let's see, manga said he inherited the Sage's body, manga shows him using TSB

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4. I guess kimimaro kaguya possessed some form of senjutsu since he too had eye markings correct? lololololol

Well he did possess her KKG which should tell you he shares her bloodline which would explain why his chakra might contain traces of Senjutsu like Indra.

 

[Styles]

1. Madara got his eyesight restored, Indra never needed an eye transplant

2. DMS Kakashi had PS because Obito had Rikudou chakra, Sasuke's Susanoo upgraded to PS the minute he received Hagoromo's chakra

3. Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu and TSB, without Sage chakra Susanoo has no way of defending itself and his avatar will lack the power to match his brother's

4. Hagoromo's chakra is essentially Senjutsu because he inherited it from Kaguya who possessed Six Path Senjutsu. Only Sage Mode users have the markings Indra had and his transmigrants were both compatible with Senjutsu chakra.

5. You blatantly ignore manga facts which just shows you're a butthurt in denial

Disagree with bold and #4 is debatable.

Hagoromo's Chakra is both Yin + Yang. Indra only had the Yin component, so he did not have Rikudou's Chakra.

Yet Naruto got yang and Sasuke have yin and both have rikudou chakra. He doesn't need yin and yang Hagoromo's chakra is with Indra. Hagoromo said Indra have his strong chakra genes.

 

[SenseiSama]

Hagoromo's Chakra is both Yin + Yang. Indra only had the Yin component, so he did not have Rikudou's Chakra.

Indra didn't only have the Yin, chakra is the combination of Yin and Yang. He just lacked the same amount of Yang as Ashura because he didn't possess the body to produce his level of physical energy.

 

[SenseiSama]

Disagree with bold and #4 is debatable.

Sasuke did not develop PS before that and was still not in his prime, Hagoromo's power basically sped his Sharingan development so that he could unlock PS the moment he received the Sage's powers.

 

[Holy God]

Indra does have Hagoromo's chakra though. That was clearly stated he had Hagoromo's strong chakra. But obviously it'll be his own chakra signature since he was born with that chakra.

If the chakra signature is different then so is the chakra. You also just said "no I never said Indra=Hagoromo where are you getting that from?" and now you're saying they are.

 

[NarutoX28]

Indra didn't only have the Yin, chakra is the combination of Yin and Yang. He just lacked the same amount of Yang as Ashura because he didn't possess the body to produce his level of physical energy.

He naturally has Yang Chakra, that much is obvious. What I was referring to was the fact that Indra didn't inherit Yang Chakra from Hagoromo whereas Ashura did which is why Madara needed Ashura's chakra to awaken Rikudou's Chakra.

 

[Styles]

If the chakra signature is different then so is the chakra. You also just said "no I never said Indra=Hagoromo where are you getting that from?" and now you're saying they are.

Sasuke have Indra's chakra but he have his own chakra signature same with Naruto. Same with Hashirama and Madara. Hamura and Hagoromo have Kaguya's chakra but their own signature. Your chakra signature can be different even though they have the same chakra. Naruto and Sasuke was given Hagoromo's chakra do that mean they have his chakra signature now?
Ashura and Indra was born with Hagoromo's chakra but since they was born with it it's their chakra signature not Hagoromo's even though his chakra was passed on to them.

Sasuke did not develop PS before that and was still not in his prime, Hagoromo's power basically sped his Sharingan development so that he could unlock PS the moment he received the Sage's powers.

That would he true if Sasuke never used PS to shield kurama. Him and Madara both did it.

 

[NarutoX28]

Disagree with bold and #4 is debatable.

Yet Naruto got yang and Sasuke have yin and both have rikudou chakra. He doesn't need yin and yang Hagoromo's chakra is with Indra. Hagoromo said Indra have his strong chakra genes.

They didn't have Rikudou Chakra until Hagoromo literally gave him his chakra. It's composed of his Yin + Yang because if it didn't, then Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have had Yin-Yang Release mastery.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

He used Mangekyo without going blind

and this proves nothing

Uhmm let's see, manga said he inherited the Sage's body, manga shows him using TSB

have you seen the manga's depiction of tailed beast balls?...still waiting on kishi's worded confirmation

Well he did possess her KKG which should tell you he shares her bloodline which would explain why his chakra might contain traces of Senjutsu like Indra.

more bullshit fanfiction speculation backed up by nothing

 

[Holy God]

Sasuke have Indra's chakra but he have his own chakra signature same with Naruto. Same with Hashirama and Madara. Hamura and Hagoromo have Kaguya's chakra but their own signature. Your chakra signature can be different even though they have the same chakra. Naruto and Sasuke was given Hagoromo's chakra do that mean they have his chakra signature now?
Ashura and Indra was born with Hagoromo's chakra but since they was born with it it's their chakra signature not Hagoromo's even though his chakra was passed on to them.

Ashura and Indra's chakra clings to them along with their own. If that wasn't the case, then Kaguya wouldn't be able to know Naruto and Sasuke were transmigrates, since their signatures are different. If someone gives another chakra, that chakra doesn't suddenly change to match the recipient's own signature, so yes, people would notice Hagoromo's change to their chakra. An undeniable example is Kaguya noting the chakra of the Tailed Beasts in Naruto.

 

[Styles]

They didn't have Rikudou Chakra until Hagoromo literally gave him his chakra. It's composed of his Yin + Yang because if it didn't, then Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have had Yin-Yang Release mastery.

You proved my point Hagoromo gave them rikudou chakra but Indra and Ashura was born with Hagoromo's chakra. Rinnegan grants the user to learn yin yang and yin-yang release yes same as RSM but they don't "have" it you know? Hagoromo's chakra that was passed down to Indra gave him a sharingan. And Ashura whatever he used to make that avatar(though he had to train).

Ashura and Indra's chakra clings to them along with their own. If that wasn't the case, then Kaguya wouldn't be able to know Naruto and Sasuke were transmigrates, since their signatures are different. If someone gives another chakra, that chakra doesn't suddenly change to match the recipient's own signature, so yes, people would notice Hagoromo's change to their chakra. An undeniable example is Kaguya noting the chakra of the Tailed Beasts in Naruto.

Kaguya at first thought it was Hagoromo and Hamura. Then she saw Indra and Ashura's chakra in Naruto and Sasuke. Like I said even though they have their chakra they still have their own chakra signature. Being Ashura's reincarnation gave Naruto large chakra reserves. Being Indra's reincarnation gave Sasuke a powerful strong chakra more and stronger than their other clan members. If I had a kid in NV my chakra would be passed down to that kid even though that kid had my chakra during his birth it wouldn't have my chakra signature but his own. Otherwise Hagoromo and Hamura who have Kaguya's chakra would have her chakra signature but they don't.

 

[SenseiSama]

That would he true if Sasuke never used PS to shield kurama. Him and Madara both did it.

That wasn't PS, PS is a lot larger in size and carries more destructive power.

 

[Styles]

That wasn't PS, PS is a lot larger in size and carries more destructive power.

Why would it be larger in size if it was used to cover kurama? Madara's still had power to slice mountain tops just like his PS. Sasuke's and Naruto's had enough power to break the sword of nunoboko.

 

[NarutoX28]

You proved my point Hagoromo gave them rikudou chakra but Indra and Ashura was born with Hagoromo's chakra. Rinnegan grants the user to learn yin yang and yin-yang release yes same as RSM but they don't "have" it you know? Hagoromo's chakra that was passed down to Indra gave him a sharingan. And Ashura whatever he used to make that avatar(though he had to train).

No I didn't. You claimed that Sasuke got Yin whereas Naruto got Yang, but if that were the case, then how did they have Yin-Yang Release Mastery when they're missing the other component?

 

[SenseiSama]

He naturally has Yang Chakra, that much is obvious. What I was referring to was the fact that Indra didn't inherit Yang Chakra from Hagoromo whereas Ashura did which is why Madara needed Ashura's chakra to awaken Rikudou's Chakra.

There's no such thing as yang chakra, Yang energy is purely physical energy, Yin energy is purely spiritual energy, chakra is the combination of both.

Ashura inherited the Sage's physical energy while Indra inherited the Sage's spiritual energy, both of them inherited the Sage's chakra but with opposing Yin/Yang ratios.