Does Hashirama stand a chance against Orochimaru?

[riley freeman]

Yes he restricted a 90% Edo Tobirama , but did he actually force him to perform any jutsu?
In this battle, are you implying the Edo are already summoned and start off the fight or does Orochimaru have to summon their coffins in the middle of battle like in the Hiruzen fight? Hashirama could destroy them while theyre in their coffins.



lol You didn't prove anything either. You've seen what Hashirama can do and you've seen what Orochimaru can do haven't you? How do you think Orochimaru will beat Hashirama without edo?

Isnt the purpose of edo tensei controlling a person? if you can restrict, you can control

 

[Ansatsuken]

If Kabuto able to control massive armies of Edo ranging from mid tier shinobi to the high tier shinobi like Akatsuki, kages, Madara

Even Madara is the special kind of Edo more than Hashi itself

It take Kabuto izanami for Madara able to control his self

How hard for Orochimaru to restrict 3 edo Hokages and control them

 

[LuckyMan]

Gojo didn't even scratch Obito's smaller Gudo Dama shield, and a Bijuu Dama managed to damage larger one. Inb4 you mention Senjutsu, V1 Juubito couldn't use Onmyoton, so Gojo wasn't negated, it was just tanked. Hashirama's Hobi already tanked Bijuu Dama. Gojo is tanked with ease.

There only reason he would lose is because he can't seal.

If he had no TSB then he wouldn't have got rid of Goju Bombs to begin with, because they never stop exploding... never.... :|

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technique, the parts the TSB touched, that is.

 

[VongolaX]

Well Tobirama has Edo tensei, yet still is below the likes of Hashirama.

Simple way to use those red gates that he used to subdue Edo Madara.

Edo Madara was the strongest Edo tensei so far, yet the gates sealing power is stronger.

So if he pins down all of Orochimaru's Edo tensei...

However the big problem is how does Hashirama kill Orochimaru who is immortal, mokuton via white Zetsu body, and poison from his white snake powers?

 

[Untamed]

hashirama don't have mayfly all along this manga progression

For someone as him that have story longer than 6 tomoe rinnegan story

It easy to assume he don't have mayfly technique if in any given panel of him in this manga, he never show that ability.

It different from 6 Tomoe Rinnegan, where it full myth/ability is still being unknown. We can only judge when the eye is ending it usage by Sasuke

Is Tobirama also posses The Bringer of Darkness jutsu?

Tobirama used it in the Anime, but Hashirama used it in the manga. I think.

Isnt the purpose of edo tensei controlling a person? if you can restrict, you can control

No. Edo Tensei is summoning the spirit of the dead into the sacrificed body of another person. Controlling is just another aspect of being an Edo Tensei summoner. Restricting Kurama (as Hashirama does) isn't the same as forcing Kurama to perform actions/jutsu for you (as Madara does).

 

[Raijingan]

This is almost as good as Prime Hiruzen

 

[KidGamer65]

You're missing the point, they will eventually get to the head no matter what someway or the other
hashirama is dense and orochimaru can find a way for them to mark him, it's not like he would have the Shinsuusenju from the start

The bold isn't an argument, so unless you have proof to back it up, I'll take your concession.

-Hashirama being dense isn't an argument.

-Orochimaru "can find a way" isn't an argument either.

-He can call it whenever he wants or whenever he needs it, so once again, that's not an argument.

Getting crushed wouldnt mean anything if he can just regenerate and continut from where he stopped
Outlasting someone is beating them, the only reason hashirama won madara was because he outlasted madara and nothing else

Lol. If he gets crushed, he will fall to the ground, regenerate, and then he'll have to start over. Or he just gets slapped away.

Actively beating someone down isn't the same as outlasting them. Don't know where you got that from. Hashirama didn't outlast Madara as the manga CLEARLY showed us. He feinted him and stabbed him in the back and killed him. Do you even know what outlasting means? All the Edos can do in this situation is outlast Hashirama, nothing more.

If he had no TSB then he wouldn't have got rid of Goju Bombs to begin with, because they never stop exploding... never.... :|

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technique, the parts the TSB touched, that is.

Never said he had no Gudo Dama. I said that he couldn't negate Ninjutsu, and it obviously stops exploding at some point, otherwise there would be paper bombs still exploding years after Tobirama's death.

Once again, the Gudo Dama are like Jinton, but in that state Obito can't negate Ninjutsu.

 

[Zolo]

Mokuton GG

 

[riley freeman]

Well Tobirama has Edo tensei, yet still is below the likes of Hashirama.

Simple way to use those red gates that he used to subdue Edo Madara.

Edo Madara was the strongest Edo tensei so far, yet the gates sealing power is stronger.

So if he pins down all of Orochimaru's Edo tensei...

However the big problem is how does Hashirama kill Orochimaru who is immortal, mokuton via white Zetsu body, and poison from his white snake powers?

He cant pin down what he cant touch

Tobirama used it in the Anime, but Hashirama used it in the manga. I think.


No. Edo Tensei is summoning the spirit of the dead into the sacrificed body of another person. Controlling is just another aspect of being an Edo Tensei summoner. Restricting Kurama (as Hashirama does) isn't the same as forcing Kurama to perform actions/jutsu for you (as Madara does).

It doesnt matter, with what we have seen, edo who cant resist can be controlled

The bold isn't an argument, so unless you have proof to back it up, I'll take your concession.

-Hashirama being dense isn't an argument.

-Orochimaru "can find a way" isn't an argument either.

-He can call it whenever he wants or whenever he needs it, so once again, that's not an argument.



Lol. If he gets crushed, he will fall to the ground, regenerate, and then he'll have to start over. Or he just gets slapped away.

Actively beating someone down isn't the same as outlasting them. Don't know where you got that from. Hashirama didn't outlast Madara as the manga CLEARLY showed us. He feinted him and stabbed him in the back and killed him. Do you even know what outlasting means? All the Edos can do in this situation is outlast Hashirama, nothing more.



Never said he had no Gudo Dama. I said that he couldn't negate Ninjutsu, and it obviously stops exploding at some point, otherwise there would be paper bombs still exploding years after Tobirama's death.

Once again, the Gudo Dama are like Jinton, but in that state Obito can't negate Ninjutsu.

Alright i give you that, but you have already proved my point that hashhirama cant win(because he cant seal)

edit: the only reason why he stabbed madara was because he outlasted madara in chakra

 

[LuckyMan]

Never said he had no Gudo Dama. I said that he couldn't negate Ninjutsu, and it obviously stops exploding at some point, otherwise there would be paper bombs still exploding years after Tobirama's death.

Or Toribrama cancels it himself when he knows his opponent is toast U_U

Once again, the Gudo Dama are like Jinton, but in that state Obito can't negate Ninjutsu.

Hiruzen only said their terms of shape manipulation is similar to Dust Style, but of a higher level since it could be used for both attacks and defense. The Truth Seeking Balls erase/nullify all ninjutsu. Obito erased Sasuke's Susanoo arm and Hiruzen's Shuriken Shadow Clone in V1. It's clear he had the ability at that point.

I have a theory how why Hiruzen survived the technique, and no, it is not the Neutralizer (lololololol), and not because Obito couldn't erase ninjutsu, because he clearly did.

 

[Untamed]

It doesnt matter, with what we have seen, edo who cant resist can be controlled

So you know the only Edo Orochimaru has restricted was Tobirama , right? Hiruzen and Minato didn't try anything & he never controlled them. They did what they wanted. nvm

Also from a time ago, about snakes and hearing.. Kabuto could only avoid his sound genjutsu because he liquefied himself using Suigetsu's dna. It was a Jiraiya vs Oro argument, so Oro could still get caught in sound genjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Or Toribrama cancels it himself when he knows his opponent is toast U_U

How? It automatically keeps summoning new tags. He shouldn't be able to stop it when he wants to stop it.

Hiruzen only said their terms of shape manipulation is similar to Dust Style, but of a higher level since it could be used for both attacks and defense. The Truth Seeking Balls erase/nullify all ninjutsu. Obito erased Sasuke's Susanoo arm and Hiruzen's Shuriken Shadow Clone in V1. It's clear he had the ability at that point.

It didn't erase them with Onmyoton, it disintegrated them as Hiruzen stated. He said its similar to Jinton because of its ability to disintegrate things, not because of how many elements it was made out of. He used the elemental make up to show how its a higher level of nature transformation.

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"With attacks that turn to dust in an instant"

After seeing it disintegrate his shuriken, he notes its similar to Jinton, but different because it can be manipulated for attack or defense and he can maintain it unlike Onoki. Meaning that because of what he just saw, it was similar to Jinton. Simple as that.

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He noted that he was also using over 4 nature transformations and says it surpasses any bloodline limit or selection.

I have a theory how why Hiruzen survived the technique, and no, it is not the Neutralizer (lololololol), and not because Obito couldn't erase ninjutsu, because he clearly did.

Obito was never shown using Onmyoton in that state.

-Tobirama got half his side blown off, and he regenerated.

-Hiruzen got his head blown off, he regenerated.

Its really as simple as that. Onmyoton was noted the moment it was used. In chapter 641. Not before and not after.

 

[WalksInShadows]

He cant beat dsm orochimaru, 2nd hokage, 3rd hokage, 4th hokage, plus alot of forbidden and OP techs

given Orochimaru's history with genjutsu, Hashirama could use his Kokuangyo tech to render Orochimaru S.O.L.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

Hashirama takes this

 

[Tenshi Hikari]

Ofcourse hashirama wins!!

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama rapes Orochimaru so hard HiddenSound will feel it when he's eating his cereal.

 

[Ageha Jaeger]

Hashirama rapes Orochimaru so hard HiddenSound will feel it when he's eating his cereal.

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[V h o]

The buddha wrecks.

 

[SaskeyUchihahahaTard]

hashirama solo. orochimaru and his pals really dont have a counter against myoujinmon along with hashi's vast and deadly arsenals.

 

[Vega]

While the odds lie in Hashirama's favor; Orochimaru with edos has a chance.
It is possible that Orochimaru's team can win, it's just difficult.
Considering Orochimaru retains all of Kabuto's intel; he is aware of the Posion that can nullify the Mokuton Abilities.

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If Orochimaru and his team can administer that poison to Hashirama, then that can help them to win the battle.