[Discussion] Does God have a plan?

[ComplexCity]

Yeah and he gave Human kinds a big middle fingers saying there is no hope for us

Too bad this is untrue though

 

[Ririchiyo Sama]

If you have food it's not gonna fly in your mouth for you to eat right? You have to use your hands it's the same thing. We have to do something in order to get something.

 

[YowYan]

If you have food it's not gonna fly in your mouth for you to eat right? You have to use your hands it's the same thing. We have to do something in order to get something.

You probably watched Peter Pan a lot when you were a child.
We don't have to belief in our food for it to be there and visible like in Peter Pan.

 

[ComplexCity]

A story told by men to explain things, and to control other men.

The law was made for men, by men. The lawmaker follows his own rules.


A dog is not considered a sapient being capable of understanding right and wrong. A man or a god should be capable of understanding the difference.

Don't know how I missed this


Scientists studying animal behaviour believe they have growing evidence that species ranging from mice to primates are governed by moral codes of conduct in the same way as humans. Until recently, humans were thought to be the only species to experience complex emotions and have a sense of morality

I also like how you still failed to retort my example. So I'll ask you once more, does a dog follow the laws of humans?

Also

So let's just swap out a few words and apply the same words in the parenthesis

God (the lawmaker) made the commandment not to kill (the law) for man (the targeted group for the law)

So let's just swap out a few words and apply the same words in the parenthesis

Congress (the lawmakers) made the law that prohibits drinking (the law) for people under 21 (the targeted group of the law)

Please disprove this statement, I implore you

 

[Ripple Hole]

Don't know how I missed this


Scientists studying animal behaviour believe they have growing evidence that species ranging from mice to primates are governed by moral codes of conduct in the same way as humans. Until recently, humans were thought to be the only species to experience complex emotions and have a sense of morality

I also like how you still failed to retort my example. So I'll ask you once more, does a dog follow the laws of humans?

The real question is if humans enforce their laws on dogs.:bdpf:

Congress (the lawmakers) made the law that prohibits drinking (the law) for dogs under 6 (the targeted group of the law)

 

[ComplexCity]

The real question is if humans enforce their laws on dogs.:bdpf:

Dogs aren't governed by the same laws as humans lol

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Don't know how I missed this


Scientists studying animal behaviour believe they have growing evidence that species ranging from mice to primates are governed by moral codes of conduct in the same way as humans. Until recently, humans were thought to be the only species to experience complex emotions and have a sense of morality

I also like how you still failed to retort my example. So I'll ask you once more, does a dog follow the laws of humans?

Also



Please disprove this statement, I implore you

Can you really believe that any creature is dumb enough not to realise that dying is bad? Without some kind of external force? If "God" is the source of all morality, how come I, or anyone else for that matter, can find fault with his morals?

And that second argument is another Strawman. Underage drinking is not equatable to murder. The government made laws against murder but a member of congress cannot go out and murder someone. And the law against underage drinking is a law made by humans, for humans. If humans became Gods when they got older, then you might have a point. But they don't.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That "If humans obeyed God" video actually made a very good point: If humans were incapable of dying or getting sick when God made us, why were we given an immune system upon creation?

 

[ComplexCity]

Can you really believe that any creature is dumb enough not to realise that dying is bad? Without some kind of external force? If "God" is the source of all morality, how come I, or anyone else for that matter, can find fault with his morals?

Because you don't understand the bible because if you did, you wouldn't be making that statement. That's like me not knowing basic math and trying to tell a calculus teacher he's doing the math wrong. Who is doing the strawman now? What does the bold have to do with what you previously stated? This what you said

A dog is not considered a sapient being capable of understanding right and wrong. A man or a god should be capable of understanding the difference.

I literally give you a piece of a study being done suggesting that scientifically that animals do indeed know some form of morality (maybe not equal to humans, idk) and you're still trying to argue against it. Notice how you can teach a dog that it is wrong (immoral: based on the person) to go ahead a pee on the couch


Riddle me this, why can a cow display tears and emotion when it's about to get slaughtered?

And that second argument is another Strawman. Underage drinking is not equatable to murder. The government made laws against murder but a member of congress cannot go out and murder someone. And the law against underage drinking is a law made by humans, for humans. If humans became Gods when they got older, then you might have a point. But they don't.

And obviously you missed the point entirely. It has nothing to do with what the subject is (in your case the law). I literally swap out a few words to match your logic and you see that it makes zero sense. I even go as far as pointing out the key term you should be looking at and you either are just being blantantly ignorant or just truly cannot (or will not) comprehend such a simple comparison.


And your bold doesn't make any sense for the fact that the law that I stated is not targeted for people of congress or people 21 and older (which are different groups) but of the children and minorities. Just like the commandment given pertain only to man.

This is your whole argument

Regardless of the law, the lawmaker MUST follow the law. Even if others do not, the lawmaker must.

I suggest you stop flip flopping your responses and maintain a single argument. Your logic dictates law makers should follow the laws they make and I'm telling you that both laws (drinking and the killing) targeted a specific group of people therefore, if we are to apply logic to one, it will be the same thing for the other

 

[Bored38]

Yes he has a plan. Its written in the bible. The plan is to complete what God started and within that plan, we have free will to chose the part we play in it. Prayer is for those who believe in and trust that plan and pray for guidence and help along the journey.

 

[Fearmonger]

I personally am not religious(More spiritual) but I still want to pose the following questions. Does God have a plan? If there is a plan, what's the point of praying for a specific outcome if it is or isn't already in the plan? I think it's just to put people at ease for not being in control of their life(In their perspective) and making them think they have a choice.

Prayer exists to keep communication strong with God. The more one prays, the stronger their bond and really, their hope. Prayer is not a necessity, only a useful way of keeping in touch with the one above.

 

[SAmIDeXtEr]

Honestly, I am Christian but I am not paranoid to the point were I bring God into every aspect of my life although sometimes I wonder what the consequences of my actions would be if I did. I am also skeptical of the fact that no one has seen this invisible, all powerful God of ours so I can't help but wonder if he really does exist because I also believe in science and science always has undeniable evidence to back up theories and what not. I am not quite certain he exists or not; regardless of the outcome, I believe in him nontherless because he's God but I can't fully subject myself to a being I can't fathom.

I hope my response was meaningful OP

 

[The Western Wheel]

If God existed, he would not have a plan. A PERFECT being wouldn't need to plan things.

This, actually.

An omnipotent, omniscient being would actually merely act and it's will would become reality. No need for petty mental formations. That being could conceive a universe in an instant, rather than a 'plan'.

Therefor, God had no pla, does not exist, or abandoned us.

 

[Umari Senju]

If I am not mistaken according to Christian teachings, God created his 2nd children (Man) and bestowed unto us free will. Meaning our choice to choose what we do and what we don't do. If that is the case than I would assume God's plan was just that: to create an imperfect vessel that can choose to love him or deny him. Of course with those choices come consequences.

As far as a grand scheme to everything, I could not answer. i think gods reasoning and thoughts are suppose to be beyond the comprehension of mortals. I'm not Christian, but I see it as a calming way to quiet the anxieties of the unknown and that which we simply cannot understand.....

...That being said, I also science as the pursuit of trying to answer these very same things in a way that we mortals can comprehend through the natural laws of the world and universe.

Short answer...I have no real answer. :wut:

 

[CloyEscapade]

Also if you believe God has a plan for humanity.

The plan is for everyone who is ever born to someday die. We all need to clear

 

[Jay of spades]

It makes plenty sense, seeing all possibilities in life but allowing those who live to chose the way makes sense.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Who says he had to put any thought into it though? God created an imperfect world in the perfect way.

OT: God gives us free will but he knows the outcome (not to say he decides it though). But in the grand scheme of humanity, he does decide it.

@Red *sighs* I hope you don't think that makes any sense.

 

[oShux]

People claim we have free wills, then claim god has a plan. That is a paradox. We cannot have free will to do what we want if he has already mapped out our actions for us. And if we do have free will then no he doesn't have a plan.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

My take

God has a plan which He actively works out moment by moment. It is possible for something which appears to be nothing but a random mess to make sense if one can stand back far enough and from the lofty throne of heaven, God oversees and controls His creation in ways we do not fully realise.


Everything tends to an end which is the glory of God. He will be glorified in life because it is a gift so priceless and yet He mercifully gives to His creatures. He will be glorified in death as it ushers man into either eternal judgement at God's bar for his sins or eternal bliss in God's presence for his faith in Christ.

He will be glorified in every joyous occasion as it is His doing. He will be glorified in pain and suffering(which, by the way, is caused by man's sinfulness which tainted the world) as they only recommend the eternal peace and tranquility of the world to come; the Kingdom of God.

He will be glorified by the faithful service of His people as it is His power that works obedience in them and He will reward them and they will eternally praise Him. He will be glorified when those that don't believe Him disobey Him and mock the idea of His existence because their sins will either be eventually judged or eventually forgiven in Christ.

People claim we have free wills, then claim god has a plan. That is a paradox. We cannot have free will to do what we want if he has already mapped out our actions for us. And if we do have free will then no he doesn't have a plan.

If you did not like manga and I somehow convinced you that manga is awesome and persuaded you to read it voraciously then I have influenced your actions while you still maintained free will. God has infinite power....including infinite persuasive power

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

If you did not like manga and I somehow convinced you that manga is awesome and persuaded you to read it voraciously then I have influenced your actions while you still maintained free will. God has infinite power....including infinite persuasive power

Yet he cannot make some people believe. Some infinite persuasive power.