Does Byakugan have Precog? Does 1T Sharingan have Precog?

[chopstickchakra]

You can't just change the definition of a word to suit you. Precognition is knowing the opponent's next move before he's made it, whether that be 1, 5 or 10 moves.

That's exactly what the Sharingan does.

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Sorry for the delay but that's not pre cog and it even says it outright in the page. What is happening is Sasuke can now see movements his normal eye couldn't catch, his sharingan is enhancing his perception, he then says "when he moves...the image of his next move appears clearly before my eyes" That's acknowledging the prediction capabilities granted are dependent on motion. If it were true pre-cog in the sense of the definition then Sasuke would be able to see the image of the next attack without the need for Naruto moving. You're the one trying to change definitions to fit your point of view. Sharingan grants enhanced cognition but not pre cognition and there is a difference.

 

[Magnolius]

Sorry for the delay but that's not pre cog and it even says it outright in the page. What is happening is Sasuke can now see movements his normal eye couldn't catch, his sharingan is enhancing his perception, he then says "when he moves...the image of his next move appears clearly before my eyes" That's acknowledging the prediction capabilities granted are dependent on motion. If it were true pre-cog in the sense of the definition then Sasuke would be able to see the image of the next attack without the need for Naruto moving. You're the one trying to change definitions to fit your point of view. Sharingan grants enhanced cognition but not pre cognition and there is a difference.

Negro, what the ****? Late response? This shit is all the way from last year. I've never seen such a later response.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Negro, what the ****? Late response? This shit is all the way from last year. I've never seen such a later response.

It's been 4 months and 10 days. I either never saw the quote from him or didn't know how to word my response and left it then forgot it but I was looking through old posts today for another post I made and found I never replied.

 

[Magnolius]

Sorry for the delay but that's not pre cog and it even says it outright in the page. What is happening is Sasuke can now see movements his normal eye couldn't catch, his sharingan is enhancing his perception, he then says "when he moves...the image of his next move appears clearly before my eyes" That's acknowledging the prediction capabilities granted are dependent on motion. If it were true pre-cog in the sense of the definition then Sasuke would be able to see the image of the next attack without the need for Naruto moving. You're the one trying to change definitions to fit your point of view. Sharingan grants enhanced cognition but not pre cognition and there is a difference.

Precognition is the ability to predict the future.

Future is an event that occurs ahead of present.

Even if it requires a stimulus, if sharingan can see something that occurs ahead of present time, then he is using a form of precognition. You seem to have a very vague and rudimentary, rather inflexible grasp of future. You see it as having a vision of something happening without the need of a catalyst to do so. But what you lack to understand is that EVERYTHING HAS A CATALYST. In order for anyone to predict a future, be it visually like sharingan or mentally like some kind of psychic, a catalyst would have to be set in place to make that predicted future a possibility. Take this L.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Precognition is the ability to predict the future.

Future is an event that occurs ahead of present.

Even if it requires a stimulus, if sharingan can see something that occurs ahead of present time, then he is using a form of precognition. You seem to have a very vague and rudimentary, rather inflexible grasp of future. You see it as having a vision of something happening without the need of a catalyst to do so. But what you lack to understand is that EVERYTHING HAS A CATALYST. In order for anyone to predict a future, be it visually like sharingan or mentally like some kind of psychic, a catalyst would have to be set in place to make that predicted future a possibility. Take this L.

What you lack to understand(not the correct way to use that by the way) is precog grants you the ability to foresee an action before encountering it where Sharingan does not. The Sharingans cognition abilities as great as they are require the user to be present to the action. Precog by definition is that like in Minority Report. You guys continue to try and alter how it works to suit your cause. You're making the evidence fit your answer rather than form your answer on the evidence.

 

[Holy God]

What you lack to understand(not the correct way to use that by the way) is precog grants you the ability to foresee an action before encountering it where Sharingan does not. The Sharingans cognition abilities as great as they are require the user to be present to the action. Precog by definition is that like in Minority Report. You guys continue to try and alter how it works to suit your cause. You're making the evidence fit your answer rather than form your answer on the evidence.

"foreknowledge of an event, especially foreknowledge of a paranormal kind."

By definition the argument that the Sharingan has precognition isn't technically wrong. Sure, a punch will have to start before the Sharingan can do anything, but it still is able to provide foreknowledge of where the punch will go. Yes, perhaps prediction would be a better word for something like this, but people have already started using "precognition" and they're not going to stop.

 

[chopstickchakra]

"foreknowledge of an event, especially foreknowledge of a paranormal kind."

By definition the argument that the Sharingan has precognition isn't technically wrong. Sure, a punch will have to start before the Sharingan can do anything, but it still is able to provide foreknowledge of where the punch will go. Yes, perhaps prediction would be a better word for something like this, but people have already started using "precognition" and they're not going to stop.

I'm aware they won't stop and I'm fine if they choose to describe it that way but that doesn't mean I need to/should stop pointing out the difference. Also if the Sharingan has to wait for action then it's not really foreknowledge since it didn't/couldn't know before the action took place.

 

[Magnolius]

What you lack to understand(not the correct way to use that by the way) is precog grants you the ability to foresee an action before encountering it where Sharingan does not. The Sharingans cognition abilities as great as they are require the user to be present to the action. Precog by definition is that like in Minority Report. You guys continue to try and alter how it works to suit your cause. You're making the evidence fit your answer rather than form your answer on the evidence.

We try to alter how it works to suit or cause? It's funny, because that seems more like what you're doing.

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Because in no definition anywhere online do it say that a user can't be in presence of the action in order for them to predict it. Again, you're limiting and simplifying precognition to such a basic term. And again, being able to see an event that has not occurred is precognition, whether said action is present or not. It doesn't necessarily specify that it works whether the action is present or not, but it certainly doesn't contradict it either.

 

[Magnolius]

Also if the Sharingan has to wait for action then it's not really foreknowledge since it didn't/couldn't know before the action took place.

of course it has to wait for an action in order to predict the next actions. As said before, it's called a catalyst, or stimulus. And EVERYTHING has a stimulus. If I predict that in ten minutes a specific apple will fall from a specific tree, and it does, it will only be because a catalyst was set in place in order for it to occur. I'm sure there is some scientific rule to this.

 

[chopstickchakra]

of course it has to wait for an action in order to predict the next actions. As said before, it's called a catalyst, or stimulus. And EVERYTHING has a stimulus. If I predict that in ten minutes a specific apple will fall from a specific tree, and it does, it will only be because a catalyst was set in place in order for it to occur. I'm sure there is some scientific rule to this.

The clear difference(that you're ignoring or missing) is the Sharingan must be present at the onset of that action where as with precognition you could be across the globe.

Re-read this definition;

knowledge of something in advance of it's occurrence, especially by extrasensory perceptions. A. Extrasensory means beyond the senses, sight is a sense. B. In advance of it's occurrence. If you predict in 1 hour an apple two towns over will fall that's the definition of precog, and you're not using any of our senses to conclude that. If you see someone's eyelash twitch and then are able to read that and predict where his head will turn that's definition of what the Sharingan does and it's reliant on enhanced senses and cognitive capacity as well as the events occurrence.

Almost all those mention extrasensory means, you do know what that is right?

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Sharingan is not precog or clairvoyance because it relies on the senses whereas clairvoyance doesn't.

 

[Magnolius]

The clear difference(that you're ignoring or missing) is the Sharingan must be present at the onset of that action where as with precognition you could be across the globe.

Re-read this definition;

knowledge of something in advance of it's occurrence, especially by extrasensory perceptions. A. Extrasensory means beyond the senses, sight is a sense. B. In advance of it's occurrence. If you predict in 1 hour an apple two towns over will fall that's the definition of precog, and you're not using any of our senses to conclude that. If you see someone's eyelash twitch and then are able to read that and predict where his head will turn that's definition of what the Sharingan does and it's reliant on enhanced senses and cognitive capacity as well as the events occurrence.

Almost all those mention extrasensory means, you do know what that is right?

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Sharingan is not precog or clairvoyance because it relies on the senses whereas clairvoyance doesn't.

Stopped reading at the first few sentences. "Especially" is used for extrasensory because the ability to see the future is most commonly associated with the mind. "Especially" means more often than not, but it does not entirely exclude other means of precognition. Again, broaden your perspective.

 

[NarutoX28]

Byakugan doesn't have the Precognitive benefits that the Sharingan provides, but it provides the user heightened perception as it enables them to sense things with better clarity within a certain radius. It's likely superior to the 2T Sharingan potentially, but inferior to the 3T Sharingan in some aspects, but not all of them.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Stopped reading at the first few sentences. "Especially" is used for extrasensory because the ability to see the future is most commonly associated with the mind. "Especially" means more often than not, but it does not entirely exclude other means of precognition. Again, broaden your perspective.

Again, read your dictionary properly. Show me a single definition that says precognition is achieved with the use of 1 of the 5 senses then you can have a stake in the discussion until then, precog=extrasensory. You don't even need to show me a definition if you don't want(aka can't) show me an example of any other piece of fiction where someone demonstrates precognition using one of the senses.

 

[Magnolius]

Again, read your dictionary properly. Show me a single definition that says precognition is achieved with the use of 1 of the 5 senses then you can have a stake in the discussion until then, precog=extrasensory. You don't even need to show me a definition if you don't want(aka can't) show me an example of any other piece of fiction where someone demonstrates precognition using one of the senses.

it literally implies that it can be used by normal senses with just this statement.

Precognition: knowledge of a future event or situation, especially through extrasensory means.

Especially: used to single out one person, thing, or situation over all others. (NOT EXCLUDED ALL OTHERS COMPLETELY, BUT NOTING THE ONE THING ABOVE ALL.)
"he despised them all, especially Sylvester"
synonyms: mainly, mostly, chiefly, principally, largely;

It says "especially" through extrasensory means. Especially means "mainly, largely, commonly or usually". These words mean more so than not. In no way, shape or form does it say that extrasensory is the "only" means of using precognition, it is simply the most common and typical. When people think of the ability to see the future, they think of having visions through the mind. Like you, they have such a simplistic and naive, typical perspective of precognition. However, by the definition right above you, it is directly basically, no literally saying "knowledge of a future event, usually but not only used through extrasensory means". because, you know, not everyone uses precognition through their eyes, it's always been through mind, until Naruto introduced a more visual aspect. Show me a definition that says "foreknowledge of an event, "ONLY" through extrasensory means" and i'll be inclined to agree with you.

 

[chopstickchakra]

it literally implies that it can be used by normal senses with just this statement.

Precognition: knowledge of a future event or situation, especially through extrasensory means.

Especially: used to single out one person, thing, or situation over all others. (NOT EXCLUDED ALL OTHERS COMPLETELY, BUT NOTING THE ONE THING ABOVE ALL.)
"he despised them all, especially Sylvester"
synonyms: mainly, mostly, chiefly, principally, largely;

It says "especially" through extrasensory means. Especially means "mainly, largely, commonly or usually". These words mean more so than not. In no way, shape or form does it say that extrasensory is the "only" means of using precognition, it is simply the most common and typical. When people think of the ability to see the future, they think of having visions through the mind. Like you, they have such a simplistic and naive, typical perspective of precognition. However, by the definition right above you, it is directly basically, no literally saying "knowledge of a future event, usually but not only used through extrasensory means". because, you know, not everyone uses precognition through their eyes, it's always been through mind, until Naruto introduced a more visual aspect. Show me a definition that says "foreknowledge of an event, "ONLY" through extrasensory means" and i'll be inclined to agree with you.

So rather than attempt to show one of the two examples you instead cling to one word in one of the definitions that grants a miniscule degree of credence to your stance? You're beyond help. You couldn't even bother to come up with hypothetical situations like the person eats or touches something belonging to the subject and sees their future, which technically is still precognition through an extrasensory mean stimulated by a sensory stimuli but even those do not operate in the same manner as an Uchiha's Sharingan.

 

[Magnolius]

So rather than attempt to show one of the two examples you instead cling to one word in one of the definitions that grants a miniscule degree of credence to your stance? You're beyond help. You couldn't even bother to come up with hypothetical situations like the person eats or touches something belonging to the subject and sees their future, which technically is still precognition through an extrasensory mean stimulated by a sensory stimuli but even those do not operate in the same manner as an Uchiha's Sharingan.

This argument has no meaning anymore. I've already explained and broke it down and even used several definitions, but if you can't accept the truth than there is nothing I can do. People on the internet just can't admit when they're wrong. How sad. Take this "L" :sdo:

 

[chopstickchakra]

This argument has no meaning anymore. I've already explained and broke it down and even used several definitions, but if you can't accept the truth than there is nothing I can do. People on the internet just can't admit when they're wrong. How sad. Take this "L" :sdo:

Oh the irony. Keep living in your world of "I'm right with no proof everyone else that disagrees with me is wrong"