Does Anyone Think Sasuke Is Really A Villian?

[Jcub]

If you think Sasuke is just going to restrict everyone of their rights and just make them work, then you may need help. He never stated anything of the sort, and his expressions are nothing less than ordinary.

Is that how he is going to get the "Hat"? Tell everyone they can all go on vacation once he is in charge... lol I can see it now

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[LordNarutoSo6P]

No, he's not. He's a kind and a good character actually. Only that, after hearing all the truth about his clan and of course, to Itachi... his heart was consumed by anger and hatred which resulted him to see through the darkness. Sasuke is Sasuke! He's NOT EVIL!!!

 

[SRShock10]

If you think Sasuke is just going to restrict everyone of their rights and just make them work, then you may need help. He never stated anything of the sort, and his expressions are nothing less than ordinary.

By stating how he is going to become "hokage" and kill the rest of the kage, it can be inferred that his title of "hokage" will mean that he will be the established leader of the shinobi world. Thus it can also be assumed that Sasuke must restrict the rights and activities of his newly "recruited" constituents under his rule as "hokage", given that any form of leadership/government must restrict decorum in its own society for it to work properly. Given this, and being that it is a coup with him in charge, it can be assumed that he is trying to establish a dictatorship that is highly dogmatic and not permissive to objection/questioning

 

[Holy God]

When did I say He'd make them slaves? You're awful at debating.

This is the matter, cut and dry; Sasuke wants to become Hokage and change the entire way the system works. Problem is, nonody wants Sasuke to be Hokage, or have any authority for that matter. So, if Sasuke wants to become Hokage, he's going to have to use force and probably kill a lot of people. After he does that, people will hate him even more, so he'll have to use even MORE force to opress people and make them obey him.

Do you understand now?

Well when I state that you may believe he'll create a total "labor tyranny," and you reply with "this exactly," then that means you do believe he'll make everyone work. Obviously, as he said, Naruto is the only one who will need to die, as the others pose no threat, besides the Kage of course.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Well when I state that you may believe he'll create a total "labor tyranny," and you reply with "this exactly," then that means you do believe he'll make everyone work. Obviously, as he said, Naruto is the only one who will need to die, as the others pose no threat, besides the Kage of course.

@Bold

So let me get this straight;

You think that if Sasuke takes the Hokage mantle by force and kills all 5 of the Kages, everybody is just going to be fine with that and not rebel against him?

 

[Uchiha Legacy]

Sasuke doesn't have time to explain himself, he will just conquer the Ninja World instead.

 

[Holy God]

By stating how he is going to become "hokage" and kill the rest of the kage, it can be inferred that his title of "hokage" will mean that he will be the established leader of the shinobi world. Thus it can also be assumed that Sasuke must restrict the rights and activities of his newly "recruited" constituents under his rule as "hokage", given that any form of leadership/government must restrict decorum in its own society for it to work properly. Given this, and being that it is a coup with him in charge, it can be assumed that he is trying to establish a dictatorship that is highly dogmatic and not permissive to objection/questioning

So you're saying that a man who's purpose is to rid the world of wars and power hungry men, to create an environment of peace, will restrict everyone's rights and just rule? Of course there'd be no questioning, but he's not just going to have statues of himself for prayers or what not. It would be as it usually is.

 

[Holy God]

By stating how he is going to become "hokage" and kill the rest of the kage, it can be inferred that his title of "hokage" will mean that he will be the established leader of the shinobi world. Thus it can also be assumed that Sasuke must restrict the rights and activities of his newly "recruited" constituents under his rule as "hokage", given that any form of leadership/government must restrict decorum in its own society for it to work properly. Given this, and being that it is a coup with him in charge, it can be assumed that he is trying to establish a dictatorship that is highly dogmatic and not permissive to objection/questioning

So you're saying that a man who's purpose is to rid the world of wars and power hungry men, to create an environment of peace, will restrict everyone's rights and just rule? Of course there'd be no questioning, but he's not just going to have statues of himself for prayers or what not. It would be as it usually is.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Itachi said he is a blank canvas and can be painted in any colors, if he is planning to kill sleeping people then he obviously been painted in the wrong colors

Everyone is born pure, the rapists and murderers in jails were once happy go lucky babies, doesnt make them any less evil

 

[Jcub]

The other issue is with a regime change, you dont just get rid of the leader(s) you have to talk the loyalist out as well, so they do not

1) Assassinate you. Chidori SMG blade variant isn't much use when you are poisoned.

2) Undermine your rule. They might not want to kill you but they won't make it easy

3) Defect, flee to a neighboring country with all YOUR newly accuired secrets.

This would have to include family of said loyalist AND family of the leaders, don't want little jonny to grow up and fulfill some sort of vendetta prophecy, now do ya?

In reality A lot of people die in a hostle regime change.

 

[Holy God]

@Bold

So let me get this straight;

You think that if Sasuke takes the Hokage mantle by force and kills all 5 of the Kages, everybody is just going to be fine with that and not rebel against him?

Of course they may, but they're quite weak and the casualties would be high against a man with all nine tailed beasts at his control, as they obviously can't permanently die.

 

[Jcub]

@Bold

So let me get this straight;

You think that if Sasuke takes the Hokage mantle by force and kills all 5 of the Kages, everybody is just going to be fine with that and not rebel against him?

^^ This right here. All sorts of problems

 

[Denzel Washington]

Of course they may, but they're quite weak and the casualties would be high against a man with all nine tailed beasts at his control, as they obviously can't permanently die.

I'm done talking to you, because it's apparent you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Jcub]

Of course they may, but they're quite weak and the casualties would be high against a man with all nine tailed beasts at his control, as they obviously can't permanently die.

You're not thinking, it wouldn't be a one on one ninja battle where Sauske has to be posed to fight, he has to rest, eat, sleep, train... THEN rule his new nation THEN live a life worth living... just not possible. Politics are nasty and plots can kill you as quickly as choji moonsaulting you from 100ft up

 

[Holy God]

I'm done talking to you, because it's apparent you have no idea what you're talking about.

No problem. You probably just lost and gave up.

 

[Holy God]

You're not thinking, it wouldn't be a one on one ninja battle where Sauske has to be posed to fight, he has to rest, eat, sleep, train... THEN rule his new nation THEN live a life worth living... just not possible. Politics are nasty and plots can kill you as quickly as choji moonsaulting you from 100ft up

Huh? Seeing as how rarely any human right now is awake, I'd say he would have plenty of time to prepare before confrontation.

 

[Denzel Washington]

No problem. You probably just lost and gave up.

It's clear to everyone in this thread you were put in your place back on page 1. I'm just done throwing information at a brick wall.

 

[Jcub]

_@::vincent:

Explain what you mean by "as they obviously can't permanently die."

 

[SRShock10]

So you're saying that a man who's purpose is to rid the world of wars and power hungry men, to create an environment of peace, will restrict everyone's rights and just rule? Of course there'd be no questioning, but he's not just going to have statues of himself for prayers or what not. It would be as it usually is.

Not exactly, I'm just saying it's a bit Machiavellian of an approach to societal stability and that's why it's difficult to keep from inferring Sasuke's ploy as an act to make everyone obey his ideology. What better way to make a society obey you than rid of all threats to rule and demand a dogmatic decorum (including the kage, edo's, hagoromo, dk kakashi, and now Naruto)? Not to mention having a zero-tolerance policy for alternative opinion, such as that from Naruto or society?

So, I think the case is justified. I'm not saying that Sasuke's ideology is illogical. Rather that his procedure in establishing peace by making a strict hegemony is paradoxical because he is disturbing peace in order to establish it again. Not to mention that way of achieving peace is as fake as the infinite tsukyomi, as it wouldn't be real, it would rather be enforced rather than by free will by the people. It's hypocritical and thus illogical

 

[Holy God]

_@::vincent:

Explain what you mean by "as they obviously can't permanently die."

It was said that tailed beasts regenerate if killed.