No, Naruto beats both 2vs1. But that's only thanks to what the sage gave him, but either way he wins.Kakashi says thatYou must be registered for see links. Does anyone still think Hashirama or Minato are above him at this point? I hope not.
I don't see how him getting the power from the sage or not is even relevant. He has it and that's that or are you implying that he is still inferior somehow because he received power?No, Naruto beats both 2vs1. But that's only thanks to what the sage gave him, but either way he wins.
Stop, we're not doing this anymoreBut has he surpassed Prime HIRUZEN?
Since when did I say his current powers are irrelevant? I put that he can beat them 2vs1 and even if he did receive them he still can win the fight. If I was trying to say they're irrelevant then I'd say, "No, he can't win since it's un-earned power".I don't see how him getting the power from the sage or not is even relevant. He has it and that's that or are you implying that he is still inferior somehow because he received power?
This here. He didn't surpass, but he's stronger.KingHashirama made a top 10 which Hashi is above Nardo and Sauce, can link it if i don't feel lazy (which i do and that's why i am here)
Other than that, nope Naruto is above Hashirama (i don't want to use surpassed as if Naruto himself managed such thing since all he did was a pep talk with Sage)