Does anyone else think Naruto is on the wrong side of the moral argument?

[Six Paths]

I do not honestly think Naruto is wrong. I guess his thick head, and thoughts in the heart have already connected the shinobi alliance more then once, and now they know what can happen if people don't understand one another. Naruto now gave everyone trust that they could do it on her own. He tamed all the 9 Bijuu earned all of their trust and turned them finally into allies. While Sasuke wants to destroy what Naruto now created, the peace hw finally achieved, he want's to put it down again for the birth of a new "Shinobi System".

Morally Sasuke is pretty wrong!!!

 

[Tennis Robot]

No one ever responds to me

 

[The Necromancer]

I do not honestly think Naruto is wrong. I guess his thick head, and thoughts in the heart have already connected the shinobi alliance more then once, and now they know what can happen if people don't understand one another. Naruto now gave everyone trust that they could do it on her own. He tamed all the 9 Bijuu earned all of their trust and turned them finally into allies. While Sasuke wants to destroy what Naruto now created, the peace hw finally achieved, he want's to put it down again for the birth of a new "Shinobi System".

Morally Sasuke is pretty wrong!!!

Morally Sasuke is wrong.

Logically Naruto is wrong.

But because this is a Shonen manga, Naruto will be right in the end.

 

[Swagdara Uchiha]

I have already answered this in a past post.

So you're telling me that Kabuto and Orochimaru know about the Transmigrants? You're telling me that Madara was aware that he was an Indra and tore Hashirama's flesh fully knowing what would happen?
Admit it they were both as lost and at the same place (As in Senju DNA + Uchiha = Rinnegan), nobody knew the Truth about Asura and Indra not even the fact that they reincarnated into others and that their perspective Chakra was needed in order to awaken the Rinnegan. Only Hagoromo who wrote the Tablet and Black Zetsu who changed the tablet himself were aware and Hagoromo only told Naruto and Sasuke on how Madara awakened it.

Even if Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnated after they die via Edo Tensei what makes you Believe that they would be so easily controlled? Orochimaru who used Zetsu and had a Zetsu body could barely control Hashirama and if you do simple thinking both Naruto and Sasuke have gone beyond Hashirama and can't be controlled let alone let someone go into their minds. If anybody else is reincarnated they don't even know how the IT works they just know about the Gedo Mazo (Which isn't even if the same DIMENSION) and the TB are needed to Cast it by summoning the Shinju.

 

[TrollKing]

Execution is A must in society, but naruto's ninja way is still as he was 3 year old - can not kill a fly even when the fly impregnated his wife

 

[Tennis Robot]

Morally Sasuke is wrong.

Logically Naruto is wrong.

But because this is a Shonen manga, Naruto will be right in the end.

How is Naruto logically wrong?

 

[The Necromancer]

So you're telling me that Kabuto and Orochimaru know about the Transmigrants? You're telling me that Madara was aware that he was an Indra and tore Hashirama's flesh fully knowing what would happen?
Admit it they were both as lost and at the same place (As in Senju DNA + Uchiha = Rinnegan), nobody knew the Truth about Asura and Indra not even the fact that they reincarnated into others and that their perspective Chakra was needed in order to awaken the Rinnegan. Only Hagoromo who wrote the Tablet and Black Zetsu who changed the tablet himself were aware and Hagoromo only told Naruto and Sasuke on how Madara awakened it.

Even if Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnated after they die via Edo Tensei what makes you Believe that they would be so easily controlled? Orochimaru who used Zetsu and had a Zetsu body could barely control Hashirama and if you do simple thinking both Naruto and Sasuke have gone beyond Hashirama and can't be controlled let alone let someone go into their minds. If anybody else is reincarnated they don't even know how the IT works they just know about the Gedo Mazo (Which isn't even if the same DIMENSION) and the TB are needed to Cast it by summoning the Shinju.

Are you telling me that no one will ever be as smart as Orochimaru? He already deduced the mechanics behind the creation of the Rinnegan. Even Naruto sensed Indra within Sasuke. A smart transmigrant will most certainly deduce it.

Let alone the fact that they could Edo Tensei, Madara, Hashirama, Probably Tobirama, Orochimaru, Kabuto, any past MS user, multiple Toads, Tsunade, Ay, Onoki, Gaara, Mei, Sai, Obito, any of the Bijuu at this point, etc.

There are far too many ways for a transmigrant to get this information than you are accounting for. This knowledge will never be lost.

How is Naruto logically wrong?

Because in any other setting other than one that must end with a happy ending, Naruto's pleas for peace would fall upon deaf ears.

If it were as easy as saying, "I'll never give up until I'm President of the United States!" then the world would already have everlasting peace.

 

[TrollKing]

How is Naruto logically wrong?

His mind is as simple as a 3 year old

 

[-Punk-]

Naruto wants an un-realistic world for his un-realistic dream . He's not the type of guy to admit he's wrong . He doesn't understand the system better yet the world . He wants what he wants when he wants it , he doesn't accept a no for an answer , he will shove his ideals down your throat and if you refuse or think otherwise , you are in the wrong in his eyes .

Sauske is making the decisions that no one else wants to accept , You think other Madaras , Obitos , Pains etc won't come again ? what good does the Jubis do to the world ?

I don't agree with Sauske killing the kages but hey ....You can't change anything if you don't sacrifice anything.

But this is Naruto , friendship , hearts and ridiculous forgiveness surrounds the manga so Naruto will get what he wants in the end .

In the end the jubbis are something that should be not anymore .

 

[The Necromancer]

Naruto wants an un-realistic world for his un-realistic dream . He's not the type of guy to admit he's wrong . He doesn't understand the system better yet the world . He wants what he wants when he wants it , he doesn't accept a no for an answer , he will shove his ideals down your throat and if you refuse or think otherwise , you are in the wrong in his eyes .

Sauske is making the decisions that no one else wants to accept , You think other Madaras , Obitos , Pains etc won't come again ? what good does the Jubis do to the world ?

I don't agree with Sauske killing the kages but hey ....You can't change anything if you don't sacrifice anything.

But this is Naruto , friendship , hearts and ridiculous forgiveness surrounds the manga so Naruto will get what he wants in the end .

In the end the jubbis are something that should be not anymore .

Masterfully said. Exactly.

Naruto is the person who would give out candy to everyone, even though it's unhealthy, just because it tastes good.

Sasuke is the person who knows candy is bad for you, and would make the tough choice of replacing all candy with broccoli, because even though it doesn't taste as good, it's better for you in the long run. Even if you don't see it.

 

[TrollKing]

Masterfully said. Exactly.

Naruto is the person who would give out candy to everyone, even though it's unhealthy, just because it tastes good.

Sasuke is the person who knows candy is bad for you, and would make the tough choice of replacing all candy with broccoli, because even though it doesn't taste as good, it's better for you in the long run. Even if you don't see it.

Kiddies love candies! That's why kids don't like grown ups

 

[Remedy]

Naruto's idelas vs Sasuke's is really Democracy vs Dictatorship.

Naruto wants to create a system for the people and by the people, and let humanity make mistakes and grow as people to understand one another.

Sasuke wants to kill the people in charge of the system he deems corrupted, with a childish and primal view of right and wrong "You do bad! Sasuke kill you!" Which solves nothing, and further creates wayward, hate stricken children like him down the road. Sasuke says he wants to create a better World, but really he wants to create a system for Sasuke and by Sasuke.

You think Sasuke ideals are morally right, how long would you last in North Korea? Naruto has pretty much gotten his dream on the right foot. The 5 great nations for the first time has come to a mutual understanding and became allies, the TB for the first have all come together to fight for a cause. Piece by piece Naruto is building a infrastructure where people can understand each other. There is nothing wrong with having faith and hoping for a better tomorrow, it's when you give up to the cruelty of the World that you lost hope.

 

[TrollKing]

Naruto's idelas vs Sasuke's is really Democracy vs Dictatorship.

Naruto wants to create a system for the people and by the people, and let humanity make mistakes and grow as people to understand one another.

Sasuke wants to kill the people in charge of the system he deems corrupted, with a childish and primal view of right and wrong "You do bad! Sasuke kill you!" Which solves nothing, and further creates wayward, hate stricken children like him down the road. Sasuke says he wants to create a better World, but really he wants to create a system for Sasuke and by Sasuke.

You think Sasuke ideals are morally right, how long would you last in North Korea? Naruto has pretty much gotten his dream on the right foot. The 5 great nations for the first time has come to a mutual understanding and became allies, the TB for the first have all come together to fight for a cause. Piece by piece Naruto is building a infrastructure where people can understand each other. There is nothing wrong with having faith and hoping for a better tomorrow, it's when you give up to the cruelty of the World that you lost hope.

Yea let them grow as they slaughter each other like how they slaughter uchiha clan or the jew. That's some freedom Lol

 

[-Punk-]

Masterfully said. Exactly.

Naruto is the person who would give out candy to everyone, even though it's unhealthy, just because it tastes good.

Sasuke is the person who knows candy is bad for you, and would make the tough choice of replacing all candy with broccoli, because even though it doesn't taste as good, it's better for you in the long run. Even if you don't see it.

Bingo , this is easier to understand , there we go .

 

[warlee]

peace is bigger and complicated more than this manga could solve. this is not about supporting sasuke or naruto.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Are you telling me that no one will ever be as smart as Orochimaru? He already deduced the mechanics behind the creation of the Rinnegan. Even Naruto sensed Indra within Sasuke. A smart transmigrant will most certainly deduce it.

Let alone the fact that they could Edo Tensei, Madara, Hashirama, Probably Tobirama, Orochimaru, Kabuto, any past MS user, multiple Toads, Tsunade, Ay, Onoki, Gaara, Mei, Sai, Obito, any of the Bijuu at this point, etc.

There are far too many ways for a transmigrant to get this information than you are accounting for. This knowledge will never be lost.



Because in any other setting other than one that must end with a happy ending, Naruto's pleas for peace would fall upon deaf ears.

If it were as easy as saying, "I'll never give up until I'm President of the United States!" then the world would already have everlasting peace.

Those are two completely different scenarios. You didn't explain at all why Naruto's goal is illogical.

 

[LOCKKO REE]

Sort of curious if I am alone on this one.

another sasuke fapboy.... not a new thing to read....

 

[Remedy]

Masterfully said. Exactly.

Naruto is the person who would give out candy to everyone, even though it's unhealthy, just because it tastes good.

Sasuke is the person who knows candy is bad for you, and would make the tough choice of replacing all candy with broccoli, because even though it doesn't taste as good, it's better for you in the long run. Even if you don't see it.

Actually Naruto is the person that gives you the desicion to eat whatever you want , and let you gain conscious judgement to know what's what by learning.

Sasuke more or less is the person that shoves the food down your throat until you gag to death.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Naruto's views are more realistic, like Kaguya or Haroromo said, there were people fighting before chakra was even around. That was before the tailed beasts even existed. So, Sasuke thinking that killing the tailed beasts will get rid of darkness is an absurd idea. Also, Sasuke will be a dictator, and dixtators don't bring peace and they always get overthrown.[/QUOTE]

Complete bs

 

[Ultimateone]

morally, naruto's right and sasuke is not. i don't think that part should even be up for debate. sasuke plans to murder people simply to make it easier for him to basically take over the world. naruto wants to bring peace through understanding. many people continue to say that naruto's dream/ way of thinking is childish. is it really though. throughout the war, as a matter of fact, throughout the manga naruto has done just that. onoki said that he only joined the war because they needed each other to overcome the threat. he then goes on to say that after fighting along side naruto he sees another way. gaara, through his speech about naruto, was able to get the alliance soldiers to stop fighting each other. naruto was able to get the kyuubi to understand him, he was the tailed beast with the most hatred, well him and shukaku. naruto got nagato to understand him, which made nagato change his way of thinking and revive all the people he had killed in konoha. the fact in, in the narutoverse, naruto is actually very smart for wanting people to understand one another to achieve peace. it's what the sage wanted in the first place, it's the whole reason he gave people chakra. all sasuke will do is cause more war.