Do you view the Last as 100% canon???

[villain55]

So, do u think he just couldn't use it or was holding back?

Well judging how he was flying still, he would have I assume. I think he just couldn't use it at that time

 

[BrillyMac]

So Naruto can use shadow clone at 7 years old :|

omeone made a thread about the shadow clone thing and its a forbidden shadow clone jutsu and a regular one. Theres a difference. Also, if Kish said its canon, theres no arguing with the creator

 

[ANiMUS]

Well judging how he was flying still, he would have I assume. I think he just couldn't use it at that time

Y? facing Sasuke he didn't even have enough chakra to create a single bijuu dama yet he could still maintain RSM. In the last Kurama used a TBB blast to blast the hell out of that big monster he was fighting

 

[Chibiusa]

Yes. Canon. Get over it.

 

[ANiMUS]

Yes. Canon. Get over it.

I don't really have issue with it :| Its just the inconsistencies that I have a problem with. I am cool with NH and whatever kishi decides to do with it. It doesn't concern me. If anything using the feats in debates is what prompted this thread.

 

[Chibiusa]

I don't really have issue with it :| Its just the inconsistencies that I have a problem with. I am cool with NH and whatever kishi decides to do with it. It doesn't concern me. If anything using the feats in debates is what prompted this thread.

Well you have a lot of points I do agree with. The whole "get over it" thing was a necessary bit for the haters xD

 

[Chie]

There's no such thing as partially canon or not.

Canon just means that the author approves of it. This includes the manga, game storylines, and The Last.

Yes, there are quite a few inconsistencies. People realize this. However, the manga itself had plot holes too. It tends to happen when a series is still continuing after 700 chapters via movie releases, novels, etc. Not a big deal.

 

[ANiMUS]

There's no such thing as partially canon or not.

Canon just means that the author approves of it. This includes the manga, game storylines, and The Last.

Yes, there are quite a few inconsistencies. People realize this. However, the manga itself had plot holes too. It tends to happen when a series is still continuing after 700 chapters via movie releases, novels, etc. Not a big deal.

So if u see something in the movie that doesn't seem to match what u have seen in manga how would u handle that?

Especially when the movie is supposedly a continuation of a previously unexplored timeframe

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I would like to point out that Naruto, as a form of media, comes in three main forms. The manga is the first and most important piece of media, followed by the anime, and rounded off with movies being third. Each of these are handled by different groups of people, and this is why there are often inconsistencies, but inconsistency does not negate legitimacy.

Addressing the OP, the shadow clone jutsu was inserted in the movie for the sole reason of it being Naruto's trademark technique, more so than even the rasengan. Because the movie was titled "the last," the movie was begun with nostalgia and that scene should be taken with a grain of salt as it was meant to appeal to kids that recognize BOTH the shadow clones and the resulting failure as two staples of Naruto's character. This was most certainly a result of the movie studio staff, rather than Kishimoto sensei himself.

The Last is legitimate in its place in the Naruto story as a whole. It has been given a chapter number (699.5) tying it into the manga and it was also approved by the author. The reason for the problems are simply that Kishimoto sensei decided to have a third party control how that chapter would be written, a third party that also has different ideas on how to promote something. The movie studio is more focused on getting people to view the movie, rather than what age Naruto learned the shadow clone.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Then y does Sasuke have the Rinnegan in the movie

Sasuke used the Sharringan in the movie, but the scene was only for a few seconds hence why it was only a brief interaction, and hence why Naruto was flying in the movie. You can tell some of these interactions with the new powerups were small and indecisive. I shouldn't have to explain more.


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Kishimoto barely worked on the movie, he did not finalize it, but probably brought his own ideas into the movie. As you can see he clearly worked on Sasuke appearing with his rinnegan during the meteor fight, and Naruto fighting Toneri in space while flying. Though, he did not showcase Naruto in his full RSM. It begs to differ that those two abilities would lead to confusion on a bigger scale since Toneri's abilities were introduced with plot, and Naruto/Sasuke were not shown for those who do not read the manga (or those who are just going to see the movie for themselves).

 

[Narutohokage324]

I would like to point out that Naruto, as a form of media, comes in three main forms. The manga is the first and most important piece of media, followed by the anime, and rounded off with movies being third. Each of these are handled by different groups of people, and this is why there are often inconsistencies, but inconsistency does not negate legitimacy.

Addressing the OP, the shadow clone jutsu was inserted in the movie for the sole reason of it being Naruto's trademark technique, more so than even the rasengan. Because the movie was titled "the last," the movie was begun with nostalgia and that scene should be taken with a grain of salt as it was meant to appeal to kids that recognize BOTH the shadow clones and the resulting failure as two staples of Naruto's character. This was most certainly a result of the movie studio staff, rather than Kishimoto sensei himself.

The Last is legitimate in its place in the Naruto story as a whole. It has been given a chapter number (699.5) tying it into the manga and it was also approved by the author. The reason for the problems are simply that Kishimoto sensei decided to have a third party control how that chapter would be written, a third party that also has different ideas on how to promote something. The movie studio is more focused on getting people to view the movie, rather than what age Naruto learned the shadow clone.

I explained it to these really slow Sauske fans (those who think Naruto lost RSM are in the list of retarded. I'm sorry).

Good post Lost ~

 

[ANiMUS]

Sasuke used the Sharringan in the movie, but the scene was only for a few seconds hence why it was only a brief interaction, and hence why Naruto was flying in the movie. You can tell some of these interactions with the new powerups were small and indecisive. I shouldn't have to explain more.


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Kishimoto barely worked on the movie, he did not finalize it, but probably brought his own ideas into the movie. As you can see he clearly worked on Sasuke appearing with his rinnegan during the meteor fight, and Naruto fighting Toneri in space while flying. Though, he did not showcase Naruto in his full RSM. It begs to differ that those two abilities would lead to confusion on a bigger scale since Toneri's abilities were introduced with plot, and Naruto/Sasuke were not shown for those who do not read the manga (or those who are just going to see the movie for themselves).

Actually, Kishimoto said that the movie was meant to watched after reading the manga. It was meant to fill in the blank space left in the manga between 699 and 700. Also, I understand that u have a point to make, but insulting other members is not the way to do it. Pls try to act your age and try to have more civil conversations from now on.

There is no logical reason to think that the movie was meant to fill in the space for those who read the manga yet it leaving out material for those who didn't read the manga. that doesn't make sense.

I would like to point out that Naruto, as a form of media, comes in three main forms. The manga is the first and most important piece of media, followed by the anime, and rounded off with movies being third. Each of these are handled by different groups of people, and this is why there are often inconsistencies, but inconsistency does not negate legitimacy.

Addressing the OP, the shadow clone jutsu was inserted in the movie for the sole reason of it being Naruto's trademark technique, more so than even the rasengan. Because the movie was titled "the last," the movie was begun with nostalgia and that scene should be taken with a grain of salt as it was meant to appeal to kids that recognize BOTH the shadow clones and the resulting failure as two staples of Naruto's character. This was most certainly a result of the movie studio staff, rather than Kishimoto sensei himself.

The Last is legitimate in its place in the Naruto story as a whole. It has been given a chapter number (699.5) tying it into the manga and it was also approved by the author. The reason for the problems are simply that Kishimoto sensei decided to have a third party control how that chapter would be written, a third party that also has different ideas on how to promote something. The movie studio is more focused on getting people to view the movie, rather than what age Naruto learned the shadow clone.

This makes more sense rather than Kishi doing this intentionally that him handing it over to a third party and giving them freedom gave rise to plotholes

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

I explained it to these really slow Sauske fans (those who think Naruto lost RSM are in the list of retarded. I'm sorry).

Good post Lost ~

It can't be proven either way whether he lost it or not, and frankly it would only matter to fans that still feel the need to debate about who can kill the other in a death match, because within the story proper we are probably never going to see Naruto and Sasuke fight each other to that level again.

Naruto clearly does not have all of the tailed beasts within him, which would account for the lack of gudoudama, and perhaps even a lack of the sage's chakra. On the other hand, Naruto performed techniques that would lead one to believe that he still have sage chakra (transforming his arm into pure chakra and plunging it into Hinata's chest, the ability to float, and to fight independently from Kurama while utilizing a chakra cloak.)

Personally, I think that Naruto can still have rikudou's chakra without having rikudou sage mode. That is to say, the yang chakra given to him is still in his possession, but the addition of the 9 tailed beasts that would have completed the rikudou sage mode is gone, and instead replaced with a complete Kurama. Similar power output, different source.

What do you think?

 

[Narutohokage324]

Actually, Kishimoto said that the movie was meant to watched after reading the manga. It was meant to fill in the blank space left in the manga between 699 and 700. Also, I understand that u have a point to make, but insulting other members is not the way to do it. Pls try to act your age and try to have more civil conversations from now on

Actually you are incorrect and correct. Kishimoto stated that the movie takes place between chapter 699 and 700, but he also said that the movie is for "everyone". That you don't need to read the manga or watch the anime to understand it.


I act my age, and Sasuke fans who truly believe Naruto lost RSM are retarded. That's the equivalent of Itachi fans who believe Itachi could beat Sasuke at the Madara arc (Rinnegan eye) or hell even VOTE Sasuke.

Baka really. Kishimoto - Naruto = Sasuke
Naruto - Anime version, not directed by Kishimoto
Naruto - MOvie version, not directed by Kishimoto.

Manga > Anime > Movie.

What else do I need to say?

 

[super yang]

its 100% filler













...but don't let that fact spoil ur fandom~!!

 

[Narutohokage324]

It can't be proven either way whether he lost it or not, and frankly it would only matter to fans that still feel the need to debate about who can kill the other in a death match, because within the story proper we are probably never going to see Naruto and Sasuke fight each other to that level again.

Naruto clearly does not have all of the tailed beasts within him, which would account for the lack of gudoudama, and perhaps even a lack of the sage's chakra. On the other hand, Naruto performed techniques that would lead one to believe that he still have sage chakra (transforming his arm into pure chakra and plunging it into Hinata's chest, the ability to float, and to fight independently from Kurama while utilizing a chakra cloak.)

Personally, I think that Naruto can still have rikudou's chakra without having rikudou sage mode. That is to say, the yang chakra given to him is still in his possession, but the addition of the 9 tailed beasts that would have completed the rikudou sage mode is gone, and instead replaced with a complete Kurama. Similar power output, different source.

What do you think?

Naruto has RSM. The data books confirms that RSM is combined with senjutsu chakra alone:

Databook on RSM:

Spoiler

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

Nothing states that it combines the tailed beast chakra to form, even the wiki is lying. Even in the manga it says a gift of SENJUTSU. So no, I know what I'm saying.

RSM merely allows the user to use freely other forms of tailed beast chakra, hence why Naruto was able to actually use/talk to the other bijuu's after he talked to Hagoromo.

 

[ANiMUS]

It can't be proven either way whether he lost it or not, and frankly it would only matter to fans that still feel the need to debate about who can kill the other in a death match, because within the story proper we are probably never going to see Naruto and Sasuke fight each other to that level again.

Naruto clearly does not have all of the tailed beasts within him, which would account for the lack of gudoudama, and perhaps even a lack of the sage's chakra. On the other hand, Naruto performed techniques that would lead one to believe that he still have sage chakra (transforming his arm into pure chakra and plunging it into Hinata's chest, the ability to float, and to fight independently from Kurama while utilizing a chakra cloak.)

Personally, I think that Naruto can still have rikudou's chakra without having rikudou sage mode. That is to say, the yang chakra given to him is still in his possession, but the addition of the 9 tailed beasts that would have completed the rikudou sage mode is gone, and instead replaced with a complete Kurama. Similar power output, different source.

What do you think?

I don't think him losing it makes sense. Seeing how even if the bijuu chakra ran out he can just ask for more seeing how he is connected to all of the bijuu and they can hand over chakra at anytime

 

[Lord Tywin]

I see it as 100% pure shite.

 

[xcoyote]

Its canon,get over it.

 

[ANiMUS]

Naruto has RSM. The data books confirms that RSM is combined with senjutsu chakra alone:

Databook on RSM:

Spoiler

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

Nothing states that it combines the tailed beast chakra to form, even the wiki is lying. Even in the manga it says a gift of SENJUTSU. So no, I know what I'm saying.

RSM merely allows the user to use freely other forms of tailed beast chakra, hence why Naruto was able to actually use/talk to the other bijuu's after he talked to Hagoromo.

Actually it is saying nature of chakra. in otherwords they instantly get how chakra as a substance works hence the philosophical stuff. It doesn't say anything about it being combined with senjutsu chakra alone