Do you think this why people play the race card?

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I hear or read a lot of people playing the race card, blaming white privilege(any privilege can replace it) and what not and I find it disturbing. Could it be the way the kids are raised, behave or want to be is the actual reason they're treated that way as they grow older? Could it be to excuse their own shortcomings they always look for a fall guy/group?

Here you hear from a black man on how others treat him vs his own.
[video=youtube_share;ATOUHpKu_Dw]https://youtu.be/ATOUHpKu_Dw[/video]

I feel blaming others to cover for your own shortcomings stems from a person's own shortcomings as a child. This in no way means those that discriminate don't exist.

Your thoughts?
 
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I mean, there is a group of people over here that people suspect stealing things and it's disrespectful for police to keep registers of them or people in shops looking at them like they are thieves, but people will tell you that those people have stolen a lot in the past so the suspicion makes sense.

If you have a group of people that have been segregated and disconnected from society, maybe people will use the same arguments saying it makes sense to be suspicious of them, on the surface that's bad but it's hard to argue against.

I do believe white privilige exists, I don't think Trump would have managed to get anywhere if he had not been white, and I hear about people who get jail when white people in the same situation is talked about having mental issues.

It's always tough when a group of people in possible situation of being oppressed are also a group of people with tendencies to act wrong.

Like for example the "peaceful" protests in Gaza are not so peaceful always.

Some muslims are not good people and that just feeds into the stigma people have even more.

I think you shouldn't feel too entitled and blame something else all the time, you kinda need to grow up from that. But also I do think white privilige exists so it's a balance between those things.


I'm just saying if I was a victim I wouldn't play some race card (I think) first and foremost I would try to just be good. But also it's understandable.
 

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I mean, there is a group of people over here that people suspect stealing things and it's disrespectful for police to keep registers of them or people in shops looking at them like they are thieves, but people will tell you that those people have stolen a lot in the past so the suspicion makes sense.
That's an issue related to an actual crime not the tpoic of discussion.

If you have a group of people that have been segregated and disconnected from society, maybe people will use the same arguments saying it makes sense to be suspicious of them, on the surface that's bad but it's hard to argue against.
That again is a seperate issue and driven largely by fear of repercussions.

I do believe white privilige exists, I don't think Trump would have managed to get anywhere if he had not been white, and I hear about people who get jail when white people in the same situation is talked about having mental issues.
Trump made his money by leveraging, and his style of speech is largely due to his environment. He was born at the right time, right location, to the right parents and had the right upbringing. As for whites and blacks and going to jail or not that just depends on the judge, evidences, support structure to help rehabilitate and the likelihood of committing a crime again. It's not always as black and white and people try to make it out to be.

It's always tough when a group of people in possible situation of being oppressed are also a group of people with tendencies to act wrong.

Like for example the "peaceful" protests in Gaza are not so peaceful always.
The Palestinians are occupied and systematically targeted, their lands are seized and they're shot or thrown in prisons without trials for years on end. We can hardly compare the sitation in the west to the situation of the Palestinians.

Some muslims are not good people and that just feeds into the stigma people have even more.

I think you shouldn't feel too entitled and blame something else all the time, you kinda need to grow up from that. But also I do think white privilige exists so it's a balance between those things.


I'm just saying if I was a victim I wouldn't play some race card (I think) first and foremost I would try to just be good. But also it's understandable.
What we have here is we're already assuming the one claiming white privilege is already a victim which is wrong.

In the video the speaker made reference to how he goes to other schools including Jewish schools where people sit and listen. He then continues and says something like "it's my own people who don't sit and listen to what I have to say." They talk over him and disrespect him. The point I'm making is if you're raised and behave in a less than civil manner and are treated the same in kind, do you blame others or do you look at yourself to see where the problem is?

Let's say a person is taught your black everybody will always discriminate against you because your black. You're not taught civility or appropriate etiquettes, you don't try as hard in school or are distracted by your friends and then you don't achieve much is it right to blame others for being privileged?

I repeat this in no way means their isn't discrimination or privilege for the very few, the elite of society. They are in yhe 10s of thousands at most.
 
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Theres no such thing as white privilege. Whites, blacks, asians, and mexicans can be arrested and charged like all of us the same way and are treated the same way. Now does this mean that perhaps some races are prone to committing more crimes? Yes, statistics show that blacks commit more crimes than the other races, is that offensive? Yes, but is it correct? Yes, sometimes you need to hear the hard truth and just get over it. Its definitely how they're raised, and treat themselves, anyone with a drug history isn't gonna see any good job acceptance no matter the race. If you come into a interview with saggy pants and a tanktop then you bet your ass you aint getting hired, its about the way you carry yourself not the color of your skin. Anyone who says its about the color of your skin and not referencing any statistics to back it up is just racist, in my opinion. I mean we got a culture now where the only possible racists are whites, yet statistics show that asians are more prone to being racist against blacks and sometimes whites, blacks being racist against whites is also a popular statistic but no one wants to talk about that.
 

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Theres no such thing as white privilege. Whites, blacks, asians, and mexicans can be arrested and charged like all of us the same way and are treated the same way. Now does this mean that perhaps some races are prone to committing more crimes? Yes, statistics show that blacks commit more crimes than the other races, is that offensive? Yes, but is it correct? Yes, sometimes you need to hear the hard truth and just get over it. Its definitely how they're raised, and treat themselves, anyone with a drug history isn't gonna see any good job acceptance no matter the race. If you come into a interview with saggy pants and a tanktop then you bet your ass you aint getting hired, its about the way you carry yourself not the color of your skin. Anyone who says its about the color of your skin and not referencing any statistics to back it up is just racist, in my opinion. I mean we got a culture now where the only possible racists are whites, yet statistics show that asians are more prone to being racist against blacks and sometimes whites, blacks being racist against whites is also a popular statistic but no one wants to talk about that.
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It doesn't t matter the race in low-income areas there are more crimes
In America we segregated people until only a few generations ago, putting them in that same situations,which has negatively affected their culture

Im white my grandparents weren't fighting for civil rights which has giving me more opportunities/privilege

People play the race card because for the most of usa history the race card was played on them


I might not have white privilege but my grandparents did giving me more opportunities
 
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It doesn't t matter the race in low-income areas there are more crimes
In America we segregated people until only a few generations ago, putting them in that same situations,which has negatively affected their culture

Im white my grandparents weren't fighting for civil rights which has giving me more opportunities/privilege

People play the race card because for the most of usa history the race card was played on them
We just had a black president and you say their culture was affected? No, its their choice to be affected by something that hasn't happened in several hundred years. If i let my money go dry because of a depression then does that mean its the governments fault? No its mine. We have several black, asain, and mexican millionaires, how anyone can yell that anyone has privilege regarding race is beyond me. And no the majority of US history wasn't about race, matter of fact it was a very small portion.
 

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We just had a black president and you say their culture was affected? No, its their choice to be affected by something that hasn't happened in several hundred years. If i let my money go dry because of a depression then does that mean its the governments fault? No its mine. We have several black, asain, and mexican millionaires, how anyone can yell that anyone has privilege regarding race is beyond me. And no the majority of US history wasn't about race, matter of fact it was a very small portion.
I'm not talking about several hundred years ago.
I'm talking about 50-60 years ago,there are still people alive who were around during jim crow laws
Its not something that happened several hundred years ago it's something that has happened for several hundred years and recently only stopped a few generations ago.
My grandparents weren't fighting for basic civil rights.
Jim crow laws should have never existed and it's ignorant to think that it can't still have a negative effect today.

oppression does affect a culture a lot
Soul food came about because slaves were giving the worst part of the animals.
Slang or Ebonics came about because blacks were given shit education.
 

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I'm not talking about several hundred years ago.
I'm talking about 50-60 years ago,there are still people alive who were around during jim crow laws
Its not something that happened several hundred years ago it's something that has happened for several hundred years and recently only stopped a few generations ago.
My grandparents weren't fighting for basic civil rights.
Jim crow laws should have never existed and it's ignorant to think that it can't still have a negative effect today.

oppression does affect a culture a lot
Soul food came about because slaves were giving the worst part of the animals.
Slang or Ebonics came about because blacks were given shit education.
Jessie lee peterson was apart of those laws and you see what happened to him? His not effected by some bs, his actually living in reality now.
 

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This is a pretty good summary of why people play the race card:

All references article sites are from the left leaning, all fake news to support a race war agenda. They wouldn't die if they just accepted the fact that theyre getting arrested for breaking the law. You can't throw up the race card with a officer with a gun because you'll get shot if you do the wrong thing. If you say doing shit like this is about racism then you're just plain ol' retarded:

[video=youtube;zG1zeqpAbR4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1zeqpAbR4&t=3s[/video]
 

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This topic has certainly moved off from behaviour and consequences. Instead of acknowledging ingrained behaviours are the major reason for a person's conditon to blaming others for the condition. Now we're onto black lives matter, police shootings and God knows what else.
 

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I'm not talking about several hundred years ago.
I'm talking about 50-60 years ago,there are still people alive who were around during jim crow laws
Its not something that happened several hundred years ago it's something that has happened for several hundred years and recently only stopped a few generations ago.
My grandparents weren't fighting for basic civil rights.
Jim crow laws should have never existed and it's ignorant to think that it can't still have a negative effect today.

oppression does affect a culture a lot
Soul food came about because slaves were giving the worst part of the animals.
Slang or Ebonics came about because blacks were given shit education.
If Jim crow, slavery, and the civil rights movement are the cause of African American 's short comings, why do black carribeans, and Africans out perform African Americans growing up in the same areas? Whats the distinguishing trait that allows a black immigratant to come to the U.S., raise kids in poverty stricken inner cities and schools, and have his kids graduate from college with medical degrees?

This is both anecdotally true (for me) and statistically true.
 

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Theres no such thing as white privilege.
The fact that black Harvard graduates get less callbacks than white Harvard graduates, getting on average the same amount of callbacks as white State graduates.



The fact that black people are convicted more often than white people for drug crimes that white people commit at the same rate or more more



Hate crimes towards minorities are increasing



Unarmed black people are more likely to be lethally shot than unarmed white people in a time where police brutalities are reaching record highs



Black people are more likely to be wrongfully convicted of and executed for crimes






Whites, blacks, asians, and mexicans can be arrested and charged like all of us the same way and are treated the same way. Now does this mean that perhaps some races are prone to committing more crimes? Yes, statistics show that blacks commit more crimes than the other races, is that offensive? Yes, but is it correct? Yes, sometimes you need to hear the hard truth and just get over it. Its definitely how they're raised, and treat themselves, anyone with a drug history isn't gonna see any good job acceptance no matter the race.
Do you know why crimes committed by the black community is disproportionately higher than crimes committed by white communities? Of course you don't.

It's because, for 400 years, black people in America were unable to build any kind of wealth, much less family wealth because the only work they had was slavery. So white people had an enormous economic gap ahead of black people in addition to all political power for literally centuries.

When slavery ended, black people needed communities to live in as they could no longer live in white communities because: 1.) Segregation was instituted and 2.) Black people only had slave quarters to live in and those were abolished. So communities were set aside for all black people, which became what we call ghettos. Know why they were ghettos? Because the government purposefully underfunded those communities; education, sanitation, work opportunities were all shafted by the white-controlled government's economic decisions.

So you have an entire population who have centuries of catch-up to play economically with the white community who have no political power, who have racially discriminatory institutions in the government holding them back in communities with underfunded healthcare, education, and workforce.

And it's not for lack of trying either. Look up Black Wall Street: When the black community started to build wealth for themselves, the US government firebombed them. The only successful bombing on US soil in all of US history came from the US government itself bombing a black community because they started to build up wealth for themselves after 400 years of slavery and government-sanctioned setbacks.

Starting to get the picture? And you know what happens next? In comes Ronald Reagan and the CIA, who pumped guns and drugs into these struggling communities as well as experimented on the black community(this isn't a conspiracy theory either, these are from documents that have been leaked from the CIA). Black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime because the government welled them into communities that they underfunded and incorporated institutions to keep black people in economically low positions and then pumped guns and drugs into their communities to foster crime in order to keep them in those economically low positions.
 
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