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I live in Poland, but I was on 1-month trip in the USA once. One of the places I visited was Houston, Texas and I have seen numerous black people with nice suits and expensive cars, who seemed to be quite successful in life. Like I said, I think that the only kind of privilege that is still exsist (and probably will always exist) is the wealth privilege - if you have money you have a good life, as simple as that. What aboput the fact that asians actually make more money than whites in the USA? What about many, many poor white people who live in trailor parks, are they more privileged than guys like Jay-Z or Lebron James? I think the USA is pretty much the same as the rest of the world, if you want to be successful you have to work your ass off for it, playing the victim wont get you anywhere.
If you’ve only ever been here for one month your opinion is ill informed. Those are the exceptions, not the rule. The US is NOT the same as the rest of the world, we’re a superpower who operates on their own level, and therefore doesn’t have to justify its treatment of people on a global level. You, a polish person with admittedly low information on America, shouldn’t feel so comfortable denying the existence of racism here.
 

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If you’ve only ever been here for one month your opinion is ill informed. Those are the exceptions, not the rule. The US is NOT the same as the rest of the world, we’re a superpower who operates on their own level, and therefore doesn’t have to justify its treatment of people on a global level. You, a polish person with admittedly low information on America, shouldn’t feel so comfortable denying the existence of racism here.
That sounds a little bit discriminatory. What if i said it, would MY opinion matter more then? I'm from New York, and i can tell you that he is 100% right.
 

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That sounds a little bit discriminatory. What if i said it, would MY opinion matter more then? I'm from New York, and i can tell you that he is 100% right.
Even if you were from New York, your sample size is small because you only live and interact within a certain social circle.

That’s why we have census reports and other stats to prove income inequality caused by other forces besides education. Like maybe discrimination.

Just to give an example. What’s the average income for ethnic groups? Do they vary across the United state? What’s the average for the total country?

Those numbers might be different.
 
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I live in Poland, but I was on 1-month trip in the USA once. One of the places I visited was Houston, Texas and I have seen numerous black people with nice suits and expensive cars, who seemed to be quite successful in life. Like I said, I think that the only kind of privilege that is still exsist (and probably will always exist) is the wealth privilege - if you have money you have a good life, as simple as that. What aboput the fact that asians actually make more money than whites in the USA? What about many, many poor white people who live in trailor parks, are they more privileged than guys like Jay-Z or Lebron James?
The wealth gap thing is absolutely real. However, there are major problems with saying that it undercuts the presence of racial discrimination in America and that it has replaced white privilege.

The wealth gap is correlated to what could be called white privilege. In America, a person born into money has better chances than a person not born into money, in general. However, it is also true in America that a white person is more likely to be born into money than a black person. 400 years of slavery creating a wealth gap between blacks and whites, underfunding of black communities during segregation and Jim Crow eras, and the sabotaging of black communities through Reagan-era policies all contributed in large to black people being more likely to be in lower socioeconomic standing to their white counterparts.

So while America has shifted away from overtly racist institutions, white privilege didn't stop existing because of it, it just changed forms. Before, white privilege was the fact that white people had more political and social power, had access to rights black people didn't, and that the government generally overtly did things to **** with black communities. Those things large and by large don't apply anymore; black people legally have the same rights as white people, can hold political power, don't have laws preventing them from living as productively and securely as white people, that is true.

However, white privilege still exists because of those institutions, it just now exists in a form that ties it directly to the class-based issues we have now. Previous detriments to black communities resulted in them generally having lower socioeconomic standing than the white community. When you have a society that is placing further and further emphasis on wealth, what do you think is gonna happen when just as soon as a few decades ago, the government actively hindered a demographic's ability to gain wealth? They're going to suffer in comparison to a demographic who weren't sabotaged.

The issues associated with white privilege, as I mentioned before, are built up from one era of society to another. It's a complex issue consisting of numerous mechanisms, and cannot be summed up in a simple way without missing important contexts, which is why the likes of Fountain and Onii still think it's not real.

To illustrate what I mean, I'll break down one line of how white privilege changed through a few of America's eras:

A. One form of white privilege during the segregation/ Jim Crow era is that black communities were actively underfunded, making them ghettos and also meaning that education in black communities was extremely poor in comparison to white communities.

B. During the Reagan era, the government actually issued policies that trafficked guns and drugs into ghettos, where the black communities inside were struggling socioeconomically because they were underfunded during the previous era. Depression and stress were more likely in these communities, so the drugs the government planted in these communities(particularly cheap and addictive ones like crack) were easy to traffic within the community once the government planted them there. Guns allowed gangs to compete with each other and control the streets so they could sell the drugs. So the government first hindered the members of these communities' ability to provide for themselves by hindering them socioeconomically, and then placed a means for them to make money through inciting violent drug trafficking; except this is illegal and, well, violent, so it only hurt the communities even more.

C. In the modern era, the government no longer actively employs institutions to hinder these communities, but the effects of these eras still exist(I'll explain shortly). The cost of education is steadily increasing, and the need of higher and higher levels of education for good socioeconomic standing is increasing alongside it.

White privilege exists in one modern form today based on ramifications from A and B alongside with the currently societal status of C. Education is getting more and more expensive, which is a bad thing for the people in the neighborhoods created in A and further harmed by B, with those people being more likely to be black than white because of A and B. It's harder for black people in comparison to white people, in general, to afford quality education because A and B happened. And because quality education is getting more and more needed for good socioeconomic standing, that means it's harder for black people in comparison to white people, in general, to have good socioeconomic standing.

That is how white privilege still exists; it went from being overt in previous eras to being a subtle aspect of the class/wealth-based society we have now. White privilege exists in that, if you are white, you have better odds at gaining a good socioeconomic standing than if you're a minority. Do some white people miss these odds and end up in the same position as minorities that miss theirs? Yes. However, it's the fact that white people have these higher odds that is why white privilege still exists.

There are numerous forms that these odds manifest themselves in that tie back into the two previous eras I mentioned. One example is that students who are from ghettos are less likely to be accepted into good schools because of the negative societal associations with these ghettos even when they make the same qualifications as students from good communities. The white privilege in this is that 1)students from ghettos are more likely to be black than white because 2)ghettos in America exist as a result of institutions that were meant to favor whites.

I think the USA is pretty much the same as the rest of the world, if you want to be successful you have to work your ass off for it, playing the victim wont get you anywhere.
Oh no, this is absolutely not true. The whole "American dream" thing where "you just have to work hard and you'll be successful" thing is a giant lie. The hardest working people in America are those who are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. They have to work anywhere in between 2-4 jobs just to sustain themselves financially, working ungodly hours at low-wage jobs. The whole American dream lie is to make people think that working that hard is the normal thing to do to be successful, when that isn't the case at all since those people are faaaar more likely to be stuck in that class than to ascend through them.
 
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The wealth gap thing is absolutely real. However, there are major problems with saying that it undercuts the presence of racial discrimination in America and that it has replaced white privilege.

The wealth gap is correlated to what could be called white privilege. In America, a person born into money has better chances than a person not born into money, in general. However, it is also true in America that a white person is more likely to be born into money than a black person. 400 years of slavery creating a wealth gap between blacks and whites, underfunding of black communities during segregation and Jim Crow eras, and the sabotaging of black communities through Reagan-era policies all contributed in large to black people being more likely to be in lower socioeconomic standing to their white counterparts.

So while America has shifted away from overtly racist institutions, white privilege didn't stop existing because of it, it just changed forms. Before, white privilege was the fact that white people had more political and social power, had access to rights black people didn't, and that the government generally overtly did things to **** with black communities. Those things large and by large don't apply anymore; black people legally have the same rights as white people, can hold political power, don't have laws preventing them from living as productively and securely as white people, that is true.

However, white privilege still exists because of those institutions, it just now exists in a form that ties it directly to the class-based issues we have now. Previous detriments to black communities resulted in them generally having lower socioeconomic standing than the white community. When you have a society that is placing further and further emphasis on wealth, what do you think is gonna happen when just as soon as a few decades ago, the government actively hindered a demographic's ability to gain wealth? They're going to suffer in comparison to a demographic who weren't sabotaged.

The issues associated with white privilege, as I mentioned before, are built up from one era of society to another. It's a complex issue consisting of numerous mechanisms, and cannot be summed up in a simple way without missing important contexts, which is why the likes of Fountain and Onii still think it's not real.

To illustrate what I mean, I'll break down one line of how white privilege changed through a few of America's eras:

A. One form of white privilege during the segregation/ Jim Crow era is that black communities were actively underfunded, making them ghettos and also meaning that education in black communities was extremely poor in comparison to white communities.

B. During the Reagan era, the government actually issued policies that trafficked guns and drugs into ghettos, where the black communities inside were struggling socioeconomically because they were underfunded during the previous era. Depression and stress were more likely in these communities, so the drugs the government planted in these communities(particularly cheap and addictive ones like crack) were easy to traffic within the community once the government planted them there. Guns allowed gangs to compete with each other and control the streets so they could sell the drugs. So the government first hindered the members of these communities' ability to provide for themselves by hindering them socioeconomically, and then placed a means for them to make money through inciting violent drug trafficking; except this is illegal and, well, violent, so it only hurt the communities even more.

C. In the modern era, the government no longer actively employs institutions to hinder these communities, but the effects of these eras still exist(I'll explain shortly). The cost of education is steadily increasing, and the need of higher and higher levels of education for good socioeconomic standing is increasing alongside it.

White privilege exists in one modern form today based on ramifications from A and B alongside with the currently societal status of C. Education is getting more and more expensive, which is a bad thing for the people in the neighborhoods created in A and further harmed by B, with those people being more likely to be black than white because of A and B. It's harder for black people in comparison to white people, in general, to afford quality education because A and B happened. And because quality education is getting more and more needed for good socioeconomic standing, that means it's harder for black people in comparison to white people, in general, to have good socioeconomic standing.

That is how white privilege still exists; it went from being overt in previous eras to being a subtle aspect of the class/wealth-based society we have now. White privilege exists in that, if you are white, you have better odds at gaining a good socioeconomic standing than if you're a minority. Do some white people miss these odds and end up in the same position as minorities that miss theirs? Yes. However, it's the fact that white people have these higher odds that is why white privilege still exists.

There are numerous forms that these odds manifest themselves in that tie back into the two previous eras I mentioned. One example is that students who are from ghettos are less likely to be accepted into good schools because of the negative societal associations with these ghettos even when they make the same qualifications as students from good communities. The white privilege in this is that 1)students from ghettos are more likely to be black than white because 2)ghettos in America exist as a result of institutions that were meant to favor whites.


Oh no, this is absolutely not true. The whole "American dream" thing where "you just have to work hard and you'll be successful" thing is a giant lie. The hardest working people in America are those who are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. They have to work anywhere in between 2-4 jobs just to sustain themselves financially, working ungodly hours at low-wage jobs. The whole American dream lie is to make people think that working that hard is the normal thing to do to be successful, when that isn't the case at all since those people are faaaar more likely to be stuck in that class than to ascend through them.
Agreed with everything besides the bottom part.

I think people think that since blacks have equal rights on paper that racism just magically disappeared and it's quite sad. They don't understand that the negative stereotypes of blacks were literally manufactured to paint blacks in a negative light. They don't understand that the war on drugs was manufactured after they introduced drugs into black communities. They don't understand that the biggest terrorist event in the history of the US isn't even documented in our history books in schools. The list goes on and on but ya'll don't hear me. :coffee:
 
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If you’ve only ever been here for one month your opinion is ill informed. Those are the exceptions, not the rule. The US is NOT the same as the rest of the world, we’re a superpower who operates on their own level, and therefore doesn’t have to justify its treatment of people on a global level. You, a polish person with admittedly low information on America, shouldn’t feel so comfortable denying the existence of racism here.
Sorry, but I will stick to my opinion. White privilege? More like asian-american privilege.
 

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I live in Poland, but I was on 1-month trip in the USA once. One of the places I visited was Houston, Texas and I have seen numerous black people with nice suits and expensive cars, who seemed to be quite successful in life. Like I said, I think that the only kind of privilege that is still exsist (and probably will always exist) is the wealth privilege - if you have money you have a good life, as simple as that. What aboput the fact that asians actually make more money than whites in the USA? What about many, many poor white people who live in trailor parks, are they more privileged than guys like Jay-Z or Lebron James? I think the USA is pretty much the same as the rest of the world, if you want to be successful you have to work your ass off for it, playing the victim wont get you anywhere.
none of that has anything to do with my comment though
 

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So much talk about racism yet insisting that white privilege is a thing and that a group of people are privileged because of their skin color. This really makes my blood boil, but whatever gets you people off and makes you feel good about yourselves. You do you, i'm not even gonna bother arguing about it because it's fucking stupid.

I think people think that since blacks have equal rights on paper that racism just magically disappeared and it's quite sad.
Nobody thinks racism doesn't exist. There's always gonna be racist people on all sides, of all gender, race, age and color, wether you know it or not, and there is literally nothing that can be done about it, aside from creating it adding fuel by making false accusations and using the word to shun and ruin others lives. Dividing people.

Seriously, I don't understand the obsession with racism nowadays.

They don't understand that the negative stereotypes of blacks were literally manufactured to paint blacks in a negative light.
What negative stereotypes of blacks are you talking about? The old ones? Or the present gangster thug stereotypes? That is a stereotype they have created by choosing that lifestyle and creating music and looking up to people who reinforce it by promoting drugs, ***, and just crime in general, guns etc.

When you have all of that paired with the crime numbers it's only logical that some people will look at them differently, it doesn't mean it's racism or that cops have a personal thing against them.

I personally look at them the same way i look at everyone else, because i know everyone is different.

And may i remind you that blacks aren't the only ones stereotyped. There are stereotypes for all people.

They don't understand that the war on drugs was manufactured after they introduced drugs into black communities.
That doesn't make any sense to me. Who introduced drugs into black communities? How? When? Why did the black communities take them? Were they literally forced to take them? Or was it simply their choice to use drugs?

They don't understand that the biggest terrorist event in the history of the US isn't even documented in our history books in schools. The list goes on and on but ya'll don't hear me. :coffee:
911? The vegas concert massacre?

You know what isn't in the history books? A lot of things. Most of our history. They only teach you about certain specific topics in school, such as Christopher Colombus, World War, The USA, and Black Slavery.
 
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So much talk about racism yet insisting that white privilege is a thing and that a group of people are privileged because of their skin color. This really makes my blood boil, but whatever gets you people off and makes you feel good about yourselves. You do you, i'm not even gonna bother arguing about it because it's fucking stupid.
I see the problem now. You think that acknowledging the existence of white privilege is an attack on white people. Or at least, an attack on all white people, current and deceased.

That's not the case, confused one. The only people to blame for white privilege are the racists that implemented the systems that wrought it, and the racists that want those systems to come back or continue. Just because being white gives you better odds in America, just because someone acknowledges that fact, doesn't mean they are attacking white people. Are there people that hate all white people because of it? Yes. And they are wrong. And the misunderstanding and misattribution of a concept doesn't make that concept any less valid.

Seriously, I don't understand the obsession with racism nowadays.
As long as race continues to be a concept that causes detriment to people, people will keep on mentioning racism because if you don't, that's how racism spreads. You yourself admits that racism exists, so people will continue to talk about it because it has been historical disastrous to human beings.

What negative stereotypes of blacks are you talking about? The old ones? Or the present gangster thug stereotypes? That is a stereotype they have created by choosing that lifestyle and creating music and looking up to people who reinforce it by promoting drugs, ***, and just crime in general, guns etc.
The drugs, ***, and crime stereotypes still circle back onto white privilege that we've talked about. Those people make art reflecting those things because those things were a part of their lives. Those things were a part of their lives because the government literally forced the black community as a whole into circumstances that fostered those things. Many people listen to it because they also live those things, so they someone making art reflecting what they know and live through, and it's inspiring because it tells them "Oh, I can be successful to, I lived like them."

When you have all of that paired with the crime numbers it's only logical that some people will look at them differently, it doesn't mean it's racism or that cops have a personal thing against them.
You mean like

That doesn't make any sense to me. Who introduced drugs into black communities? How? When? Why did the black communities take them? Were they literally forced to take them? Or was it simply their choice to use drugs?
Drugs had always been a part of America; what the CIA did was support the import of crack and cocaine because they knew it would spread throughout poor communities like wildfire. Most of which were majority black.

911? The vegas concert massacre?

You know what isn't in the history books? A lot of things. Most of our history. They only teach you about certain specific topics in school, such as Christopher Colombus, World War, The USA, and Black Slavery.
More people died in 9/11, but the Black Wall Street bombing affected more people. 10,000 black people were left homeless after 30+ city blocks were firebombed(16 blocks in the ash radius from 9/11), and 6,000 black people arrested when they were the victims. Hundreds died in Black Wall Street, compared to 58 in the vegas shooting.
 

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Is that all you know how to do? Make defamatory comments against me all day labelling me as a Neo-Nazi?

Must feel real nice to be above the rules.
Says the guy who smeared me by saying I'm the sort to get off by beheading Christians and raping children.

You defame yourself. You're not worth having a discussion with. I'm just going to keep reminding you that what you are.
 

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Says the guy who smeared me by saying I'm the sort to get off by beheading Christians and raping children.

You defame yourself.
Yeah, i said that, and i don't regret it. But i have refrained from making comments like that, and usually whenever i did my comments ended up being deleted anyway. There is a good number of comments you've made recently telling everyone that i'm a racist neo-nazi supporter that hates black people. Honestly, that's pretty desperate.
 

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Yeah, i said that, and i don't regret it. But i have refrained from making comments like that, and usually whenever i did my comments ended up being deleted anyway. There is a good number of comments you've made recently telling everyone that i'm a racist neo-nazi supporter that hates black people. Honestly, that's pretty desperate.
Backed up by quotes which have been reposted time and time again. You called BLM a terrorist group, meanwhile you defend Neo-Nazi shootings.

You get angry every time there is a thread made about a black person murdered and then try to make it about a white guy being murdered by a black guy.

You argued that blacks are genetically lazy and deny archaeological evidence that humans originated from Africa.

You're a racist.
 

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Backed up by quotes which have been reposted time and time again. You called BLM a terrorist group, meanwhile you defend Neo-Nazi shootings.

You get angry every time there is a thread made about a black person murdered and then try to make it about a white guy being murdered by a black guy.

You argued that blacks are genetically lazy and deny archaeological evidence that humans originated from Africa.

You're a racist.
It says everything about him that he derides your post for insulting him and not responding, as he says, but ignores the post actually attempting to to dispute his points.
 

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Backed up by quotes which have been reposted time and time again.
Just because you selectively pick up specific sentences and comments and use them out of context, disregarding the rest of the conversation or the actual point that was being made at the time to reinforce your personal attacks and accusations against me does mean you're right.

You called BLM a terrorist group, meanwhile you defend Neo-Nazi shootings.
I may have called BLM a terrorist group before, i can't recall, but again you're completely disregarding the rest of the conversation and context. And i don't see anything wrong with that anyway, if i say they are a terrorist group that's my opinion.

There isn't any evidence of me "defending" neo-nazis. I explained to you clearly a long time ago that if anything i was defending their right to speak up, just like i would defend anyone else's right protest and do the same. Something you don't care about. But sure keep on lying with the personal attacks.

You get angry every time there is a thread made about a black person murdered and then try to make it about a white guy being murdered by a black guy.
So is that why you always gotta be victimizing blacks all the while ignoring everything else that ever happens and talking about white privilege and demonizing another demographic? For the thrill, the likes? What if i made it a habit to start posting articles about white people being attacked by blacks or muslims etc. while also criticizing blacks in some way?

You argued that blacks are genetically lazy
Another lie. I never even conveyed that. Genetically lazy? That is so ridiculous.

Show me where i argued this.

and deny archaeological evidence that humans originated from Africa.
So i don't agree with a stupid theory, so what? Is that supposed to mean or change anything? You can't expect everyone to have the same opinion and beliefs as you.

You're a racist.
Yay, another racist insult.
 
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Just because you selectively pick up specific sentences and comments and use them out of context, disregarding the rest of the conversation or the actual point that was being made at the time to reinforce your personal attacks and accusations against me does mean you're right.



I may have called BLM a terrorist group before, i can't recall, but again you're completely disregarding the rest of the conversation and context. And i don't see anything wrong with that anyway, if i say they are a terrorist group that's my opinion.

There isn't any evidence of me "defending" neo-nazis. I explained to you clearly a long time ago that if anything i was defending their right to speak up, just like i would defend anyone else's right protest and do the same. Something you don't care about. But sure keep on lying with the personal attacks.



So is that why you always gotta be victimizing blacks all the while ignoring everything else that ever happens and talking about white privilege and demonizing another demographic? For the thrill, the likes? What if i made it a habit to start posting articles about white people being attacked by blacks or muslims etc. while also criticizing blacks in some way?



Another lie. I never even conveyed that. Genetically lazy? That is so ridiculous.

Show me where i argued this.



So i don't agree with a stupid theory, so what? Is that supposed to mean or change anything? You can't expect everyone to have the same opinion and beliefs as you.



Yay, another racist insult.
Your own thread already shows that others consider you to be a racist or have said that you align with White Supremacy/Neo-Nazi ideology.

It's pretty blatant and like all racists, they deny that they are one. People aren't just randomly called racist for no reason.
 

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Your own thread already shows that others consider you to be a racist or have said that you align with White Supremacy/Neo-Nazi ideology.
Interesting. At least now you say "others" instead of "everyone". So because x amount of people, most of wich i'm willing to bet were already friends with you, say that i am a racist that means that i am? Ok.

It's pretty blatant and like all racists, they deny that they are one. People aren't just randomly called racist for no reason.
You sure you're not self-reflecting with your constant racist remarks? You said racists deny that they are one. Alright, alright...

So let me ask you a question, are you a racist?

Yes or no
 

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Interesting. At least now you say "others" instead of "everyone". So because x amount of people, most of wich i'm willing to bet were already friends with you, say that i am a racist that means that i am? Ok.



You sure you're not self-reflecting with your constant racist remarks? You said racists deny that they are one. Alright, alright...

So let me ask you a question, are you a racist?

Yes or no
The fact that you can't understand hyperbole is depressing. It still doesn't change the fact that a great majority of the votes cast agree that you're a racist and you had the audacity to then say that you're a centrist? It's god damn hysterical. It just further proves my point that racists can't admit to being a racist and how you deny facts even when it's from a poll that you made. You're in a closet safe-space.

As to your question, you're only asking me that in response to me calling you a racist. So your question has no merit. It's just an attempt to get a "gotcha moment." I've never been called racist for the stuff that I've said and you have. That's all there is to it.
 

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The fact that you can't understand hyperbole is depressing. It still doesn't change the fact that a great majority of the votes cast agree that you're a racist and you had the audacity to then say that you're a centrist? It's god damn hysterical. It just further proves my point that racists can't admit to being a racist and how you deny facts even when it's from a poll that you made. You're in a closet safe-space.

As to your question, you're only asking me that in response to me calling you a racist. So your question has no merit. It's just an attempt to get a "gotcha moment." I've never been called racist for the stuff that I've said and you have. That's all there is to it.
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