[Discussion] Do you think there's an Indra and Ashura's reincarnation for each generation?

[conradoserpa]

Do you think there's an Indra and Ashura's reincarnation for each generation? Was there a big gap in the reincarnation process because of what Madara did or the things did proceed naturally?

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This thread is all about this phrase:
"However, Madara created an issue before the transmigration was over" / "He mixed Indra's chakra with a part of Ashura's chakra... and that brought out my chakra. That's how he awakened the rinnegan."

What I understand by "transmigration over" is death.

Clean timeline, so everyone can understand how it happened:
- Hashirama fight Madara
- Madara dies
- Madara is alive via Zetsu/Gedo Mazo
- Hashirama dies
- Obito dies
- Obito unlock MS/Rin's death
- Madara dies
- Nine months later, Sasuke is born as Indra's new reincarnation
- Two months later, Naruto is born as Ashura's new reincarnation


Now, the questions that need answers:
- Do you think is needed to have a time connection, like one depends of the other. Indra can't be born if Ashura isn't around to reincarnate in someone?

- Do you think that Ashura's reincarnation waits until Indra's reincarnation is born, assuming that Ashura is here to protect people from Indra?

- You born as Indra/Ashura reincarnation or it comes with time?

- Do you need to be an Uchiha to be Indra's reincarnation?

- Do you think it is needed to have a link between the reincarnations, like, they have to be close, to be friends or something like that?


And here's a timeline where I accept all possibilities (Jiraiya, Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Danzo... They were all 'reincarnations):

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- Hashirama fight Madara
- Madara dies
- Hashirama dies
- Madara is kept alive by Gedo Mazo
- Tobirama is the second Hokage
- Prime Hiruzen is someone that carries Ashura's will, but the reincarnation process is blocked/or Prime Hiruzen is the new Ashura's reincarnation
- Danzo was meant to be Indra's reincarnation, but was blocked
- Jiraiya is born as the new Ashura's reincarnation/or blocked
- Orochimaru is born. Meant to be the new Indra's reincarnation but it is blocked
- Minato is born as the new Ashura's reincarnation/or blocked
- Itachi is born. Indra reincarnation is blocked
- Obito dies
- Obito unlock MS/Rin's death
- Madara dies
- Nine months later, Sasuke is born as Indra's new reincarnation
- Two months later, Naruto is born as Ashura's new reincarnation

 

[Torche]

Nope. Hashirama and Madara were the previous host, correct? I don't think they are born as transmigrations.

 

[Not Cauzing]

who cares about that. reincarnations are reincarnations. you spend too much time thinking about things that don't matter in the slightest.

 

[Aquarius]

See this incarnation thing applies on two opposite kind of chakra, its not that you have to be uchiha to be an ashura's reincarnation or uzumaki or senju to be indra's reincarnation, you got it

 

[EVlL]

it comes if you fight with your rival in the vote. i believe ashura and indra didnt possess naruto and sasuke when they were born. when they fought against each other at vote. there, they became the transmigration of ashura indra. and until they die, ashura and indra wont leave em

 

[conradoserpa]

Nope. Hashirama and Madara were the previous host, correct? I don't think they are born as transmigrations.

Thanks for the reply, but, if you don't mind, answer the following too, please:

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- Do you think is needed to have a time connection, like one depends of the other. Indra can't be born if Ashura isn't around to reincarnate in someone?

- Do you think that Ashura's reincarnation waits until Indra's reincarnation is born, assuming that Ashura is here to protect people from Indra?

- Do you need to be an Uchiha to be Indra's reincarnation?

- Do you think it is needed to have a link between the reincarnations, like, they have to be close, to be friends or something like that?

who cares about that. reincarnations are reincarnations. you spend too much time thinking about things that don't matter in the slightest.

lol Thanks, bro. I'm doing just fine, so don't worry about me.

See this incarnation thing applies on two opposite kind of chakra, its not that you have to be uchiha to be an ashura's reincarnation or uzumaki or senju to be indra's reincarnation, you got it

Thanks for the reply, but, if you don't mind, answer the following too, please:

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- Do you think is needed to have a time connection, like one depends of the other. Indra can't be born if Ashura isn't around to reincarnate in someone?

- Do you think that Ashura's reincarnation waits until Indra's reincarnation is born, assuming that Ashura is here to protect people from Indra?

- You born as Indra/Ashura reincarnation or it comes with time?

- Do you think it is needed to have a link between the reincarnations, like, they have to be close, to be friends or something like that?

 

[gaaradona]

well hagoromo said madara made an issue and had both of their chakra so it didn't continue the transmigration till he died im assuming

 

[babajara0102]

There won't be any Ashura and Indra incarnations,the thing betwen them is settled

 

[conradoserpa]

There won't be any Ashura and Indra incarnations,the thing betwen them is settled

I believe that it will all come to an end with Naruto and Sasuke, too, but read - and answer - at least the questions and the intro, please.

 

[Torche]

Thanks for the reply, but, if you don't mind, answer the following too, please:

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- Do you think is needed to have a time connection, like one depends of the other. Indra can't be born if Ashura isn't around to reincarnate in someone?

- Do you think that Ashura's reincarnation waits until Indra's reincarnation is born, assuming that Ashura is here to protect people from Indra?

- Do you need to be an Uchiha to be Indra's reincarnation?

- Do you think it is needed to have a link between the reincarnations, like, they have to be close, to be friends or something like that?

- They are stated to be lingering Chakra, this would mean that they are always hanging around the elemental Nations until they find their appropriate successor to posses, or inhabit. They aren't born again and again.

- I believe that one can't inhabit a host body without another of the same generation being the brother. (If that makes sense..)

- No, Indra wasn't an Uchiha he was an Otsutsuki. In saying that though, you have to be of his descendent with the Sharingan. So I guess it's a yes.

- Most likely, it seems set up that they are best friends and view each other as brother, Ashura's reincarnations are always trying to save Indra's from the darkness. Now that has finally happened I don't think there is a reason for them to be reborn.

Personally I think that this reincarnation shit was an asspull excuse for Kishi to give both Naruto and Sasuke power-ups and the reason or excuse that only Madara has the Rinnegan.

 

[UncleRuckus]

Yeah there are, hashi/madara were an example, kakashi and Gai can be used as well but their story isnt exactly focused on. Jiraiya and Orochimaru can be used as an example of ashura/indra reincarnation. Also, neji and lee are an example too, i think the idea of reincarnating as these people is just kishi trying to tell us that yin cannot exist without yang, vice versa. Each rivals that exist in narutoverse can be called indra/ashura, although the story is just focused on naruto and sasuke, there is more to naruto than just ashura though, he is "prophecy" child.

The people being reincarnated as ashura/indra are basically being born with similar traits to these two icons, its like in real life, everyone is born with static trait, you're either good(ashura) or bad(indra), or psychopath(kaguya)...dont ever compare reality to a manga folks.

 

[Callypigia]

It doesn't have to work that way. Reincarnation is not necessarily generational. Especially when one takes karma into consideration. The soul can be rebirthed into one of six paths: Gods, Asuras, Hungry Ghosts, Hell Beings, Animals and Humans. The time one can spend in these paths isn't fixed.

 

[Meowazziel]

The previous hosts were Hashirama and Madara.
The latests are Naruto and Sasuke.

There are no people in between who were the hosts of Ashura and Indra.

It is likely that Indra/Ashura, cant find a host without the other doing so shortly
after as well. So there needs to be a time connection.

They will find hosts that mirror them (roughly). Two people who have a brotherly bond, a link, either by
blood or by friendschip and who mirror there life and personality as well.

Even though it isnt said anywhere that Indra's hosts needs to be an Uchiha, it is likely
that it at least needs to be a genius and/or someone with a dojutsu.
Because the type that Indra will find as host will be a sorta mirror to himself.

The same goes for Ashura.
He will find someone as hostwho will be sorta a mirror to himself.

I would find it weird if for example Indra finds a host and 20 years later, Ashura would.
The whole link about how they interact with each other would get messed up with such a time
difference.

I believe they will find hosts around the same time. Indra first, than Ashura.

 

[RinneBlitz]

- Yeah, I think that Ashura (or Indra) won't be able to reincarnate into someone if the other brother isn't around. So basically, that's why Ashura was waiting for Indra (Madara) to die once again, and when he possessed another body (of the newborn Sasuke), he then waited for Naruto to be born in order to possess him... Simple as that.

- I already kinda answered that ^^.

- I think that the reincarnation comes with time, as they choose their reincarnations, but it happens very soon after one is born.

- Absolutely, the Uchiha is Indra's legacy, so basically you have to be one of his successors. It's just like Ashura's known reincarnations - Hashirama and Naruto. An Senju and an Uzumaki. We all know that Ashura is the Senju's ancestor, and the Senju and Uzumaki are blood-related, so it's very possible that Ashura's reincarnations also have to be either Senju or Uzumaki.

- Well, as brothers, it's safe to say that Indra and Ashura were very close to each other in the beginning. When Madara and Hashirama were young, they were also best buddies. The only pair that differs from this is Naruto-Sasuke. You know, they couldn't get along with each other when they were kids, but they're still very close to each other and are "best friends". That's why I think that their future won't be like Indra and Ashura's, and Madara and Hashirama's. And that's why I think that there won't be a "Naruto vs Sasuke battle to the death".

I hope I answered your questions properly, cheers

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

well hagoromo said madara made an issue and had both of their chakra so it didn't continue the transmigration till he died im assuming

^ this,.. if madara died when hashirama thought he died, a new indra would've been born even though hashi would be alive..

 

[Torche]

^ this,.. if madara died when hashirama thought he died, a new indra would've been born even though hashi would be alive..

No because Hashirama died way before Madara and there was never another Ashura born, that would screw the brother close in age cycle. What a 40 year old Indra and a 10 year old Ashura? Lol

 

[cmoG]

The only reason why the reincarnation exists, is to hopefully end the cycle of hatred that was started from/by those two. Think of it as a spiritual means to change the past. Therefore, after Naruto & Sasuke bring world peace, there won't be anymore. I believe that this has to deal more with lineage. Especially as all of our major characters inevitably are tied to Kaguya.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

No because Hashirama died way before Madara and there was never another Ashura born, that would screw the brother close in age cycle. What a 40 year old Indra and a 10 year old Ashura? Lol

like the post i quoted mentioned, madara messed things up by injecting him with hashi's dna, ashura's chakra.. he was both of them in one.

 

[Torche]

like the post i quoted mentioned, madara messed things up by injecting him with hashi's dna, ashura's chakra.. he was both of them in one.

He didn't have ALL of Ashura's Chakra. He gained a portion from Hashiama's DNA. Why would he gain all of Ashura's Chakra from a portion small portion of Hashirama's DNA..?

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He screwed them because he survived long after death thus the Transmigrations, well Ashura's had to wait for Madara to die to find a new host.

 

[conradoserpa]

- Yeah, I think that Ashura (or Indra) won't be able to reincarnate into someone if the other brother isn't around. So basically, that's why Ashura was waiting for Indra (Madara) to die once again, and when he possessed another body (of the newborn Sasuke), he then waited for Naruto to be born in order to possess him... Simple as that.

- I think that the reincarnation comes with time, as they choose their reincarnations, but it happens very soon after one is born.

- Absolutely, the Uchiha is Indra's legacy, so basically you have to be one of his successors. It's just like Ashura's known reincarnations - Hashirama and Naruto. An Senju and an Uzumaki. We all know that Ashura is the Senju's ancestor, and the Senju and Uzumaki are blood-related, so it's very possible that Ashura's reincarnations also have to be either Senju or Uzumaki.

- Well, as brothers, it's safe to say that Indra and Ashura were very close to each other in the beginning. When Madara and Hashirama were young, they were also best buddies. The only pair that differs from this is Naruto-Sasuke. You know, they couldn't get along with each other when they were kids, but they're still very close to each other and are "best friends". That's why I think that their future won't be like Indra and Ashura's, and Madara and Hashirama's. And that's why I think that there won't be a "Naruto vs Sasuke battle to the death".

I hope I answered your questions properly, cheers

Yes, you did, thanks.

I knew this thread could bring a nice discussion, since Kishimoto has not yet developed this subject. I just don't agree with you about having to be an Uchiha, because, somehow, almost every ninja end up being Kaguya's related.

The thing that everyone here seems to agree, is that Naruto and Sasuke are the last ones. There wont be more Indra/Ashura reincarnation after this, since their job will be 'done' and they will, finally, rest in peace.