Do you think that Humans are redeemable?
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They wont be, but the weird thing is that I'm sure they could be capable of being "good" people despite that.
Personally, if someone did a crime against someone I know then I wouldn't forgive them.
So it would be hard for me to forgive people in general if they did something bad. I don't know if people are redeemable honestly, I did something bad once and I still feel shame over it, I don't think that will ever go away. It wasn't a big thing but If I can feel shame then I bet if people who do big things, that it's not something that goes away, no matter how kind you are.
I saw an article about gang violence and someone who had been part of gangs wanted people to have sympathy for those people, it's weird.
Personally, if someone did a crime against someone I know then I wouldn't forgive them.
So it would be hard for me to forgive people in general if they did something bad. I don't know if people are redeemable honestly, I did something bad once and I still feel shame over it, I don't think that will ever go away. It wasn't a big thing but If I can feel shame then I bet if people who do big things, that it's not something that goes away, no matter how kind you are.
I saw an article about gang violence and someone who had been part of gangs wanted people to have sympathy for those people, it's weird.
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If someone knows he would be redeemed in the future for a crime he plans to commit, what would stop him from committing it? Laws are things we humans created them in order to protect ourselves from ourselves to specific. I choose not to kill someone for my own sake, because I know the law won't tolerate my action. Otherwise, there would be no second thought. I would commit the crime with pleasure. If we all think that way, consider the human race to be extincted by their own hands.
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If he or she not shown any sign of wanting to change after we wasted all of our time consult him/her, bailed him/her out, counsel him/her and any thing just to took her/him back into good path. This person is totally un-redeemable.
Depends on the action and their conviction If they see the error in their ways then they can go from there.Even some of the greatest people in history have commited unspeakable attrocities and we ignore them based on the good that was done.So, in short, yes.
I have to disagree, animals are able to coexist without being near extinction. I think that Humans could do the same, in my honest opinions, those "leaders" and "kings" created the laws to protect themselves against the masses. If it's written and it makes enough sense, a "Leader" that conduct a lot of injustices toward a neighbor for example, suddenly that neighbor will try to act against these injustices and recieve punishment for it but, since it was written by the "Kings", " Leaders" or whatever, no one will ask any question for as to, "Why did he, the neighbor, tried to kill someone?"
By redeemable, I meant like, after they had committed their crimes, can a Human change and be aptly fit in society again?
The sense of guilt might drove someone to prove to either themselves or the world that, what they committed was due to circumstances, hardship, wasn't their true nature. For example, if you broke the glasses that a relative bought for you because, simply you judged that they misconduct toward you. Obviously, after that is done, guilt will build up if you then get on terms with that relative. When you will want to make up for that impulse that made you broke it, isn't it like seeking redemption?
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Priorities and standards of humans and animals are not the same, so yes, humans can erase their own existence if laws on Earth ceased to exist.
Society can't feel comfort with someone among them been a criminal in the past.Central said:
I doubt they would stop existing if Laws were to disappear.
It would be hard , I admit that. Unless, they completely changed and did something extremely great to make people give them forgiveness.
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I don't know about people's thoughts, but if you ask me, I have no desire to live near an ex-criminal.
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Everyone is redeemable as a human being from the beginning. But some humans commit acts that they can never truly leave in the past, some acts are unforgivable.
However, there are also a few people in the world who have the amazing gift to be able to forgive others, even if they were the ones hurt. Some people can actually consider certain types of horrible criminals to be redeemed. I am not one of those people.
Take for an example; a rapist. Let's say a man rapes a woman. He goes to prison for 10 years (Lol as if) and does his time. She gets therapy and heals, she is in a better place after all these years.
She survived. He has changed. He has learned over time that what he did was wrong.
Is he redeemed? I don't think so. Not at all. But some might say the time he did was punishment enough, and since he learned his lesson, he can be forgiven. Is forgiven the same thing as redeemed? Should we now overlook what he has done to a persons life? I don't think so.
What if one day someone tried to kill the woman who was raped, and out of sheer luck the rapist was there. He saves her life and dies in the process, and then the conflict is resolved, with her surviving.
Is the rapist redeemed now? He gave his life for his past victim. He changed and then threw everything away for her sake. I think in this case it would be debatable. But I still wonder if people who destroy lives or hurt people like that can ever truly be redeemed. A person like that will never be a hero to me. They will never be a good guy.
However, there are also a few people in the world who have the amazing gift to be able to forgive others, even if they were the ones hurt. Some people can actually consider certain types of horrible criminals to be redeemed. I am not one of those people.
Take for an example; a rapist. Let's say a man rapes a woman. He goes to prison for 10 years (Lol as if) and does his time. She gets therapy and heals, she is in a better place after all these years.
She survived. He has changed. He has learned over time that what he did was wrong.
Is he redeemed? I don't think so. Not at all. But some might say the time he did was punishment enough, and since he learned his lesson, he can be forgiven. Is forgiven the same thing as redeemed? Should we now overlook what he has done to a persons life? I don't think so.
What if one day someone tried to kill the woman who was raped, and out of sheer luck the rapist was there. He saves her life and dies in the process, and then the conflict is resolved, with her surviving.
Is the rapist redeemed now? He gave his life for his past victim. He changed and then threw everything away for her sake. I think in this case it would be debatable. But I still wonder if people who destroy lives or hurt people like that can ever truly be redeemed. A person like that will never be a hero to me. They will never be a good guy.
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Sure. People change. I'm not a fan of shunning people just because they've done some bad things in the past unless there's reason to believe the person hasn't improved since then. If we could 100% confirm people's values, I'd be a fan of criminals stepping out once it's ascertained they've changed & lack urges.
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I believe that all things are redeemable as long as the person wants to change. I even say that about horrific acts such as school shootings and so on. It's easy to act on an impulse and make a mistake, even if it's one like that.
No such thing as good or bad, just morally grey; so the concept of being "redeemable" doesn't make sense from that perspective.
But my opinion on the matter is that it depends. If it's rape, pedophilia, or senseless murder, nah. If it's stealing, etc etc. Then yeah.
But my opinion on the matter is that it depends. If it's rape, pedophilia, or senseless murder, nah. If it's stealing, etc etc. Then yeah.
Humans can be redeemed.
Animals are beneath the reasoning to form moral rationale.
Demons act with the intent to destroy humans.
As The Yellow Dragon Empress, herself, put it:
Listen well, you pigs in human clothing, for that is the truth of this world.
Most people, I generally consider to be in more of an 'animal' state than a truly human state of reasoning. They are absorbed with the process of life/survival/social strata. Men and women freely try and manipulate each other into getting what they want from each other, as animals mutually playing the same game - and, occasionally, it works out such that it's not abusive and they're each going the same way.
The question is... when given agency and the prompt to think and act above those basic impulses, what does a person do? How do they choose to be? Few to no humans are perfect - all of us are pigs trying to fit into that human clothing to some degree or another - (well, unless we are aliens, but the pleasures of being human can be a bit much for even the aliens, as Ryuuko found out), and as such, errors of judgment can be made.
The problem is when someone consistently chooses the path to harm or abuse others. Even if they are in the state of an animal, certain actions and behaviors can't be permitted. The law exists for a reason. When people who break those laws are given excessive leniency to continue to harm others, it creates an atmosphere of 'I can get away with [bad thing] at least once if I get caught doing it.' As the saying goes: "It's only illegal if you get caught." If everyone has a 'get out of jail' free pass for their first noteworthy crime, then everyone gets to freely commit those crimes until they get caught the first time.
This isn't the way it 'should be' - but it is often the way it works out in practice.
So, unfortunately, there are situations where even a person who could be redeemable must be dealt with according to the law's punishments. In theory, we may be able to reach such a point where part of a guilty verdict does include a more reliable means of determining who is or isn't redeemable, but I am honestly not so sure I would trust such a convenient thing, anyway. I would rather be falsely accused and sentenced by people than have a 'perfect machine' sorting people according to who can or can't be 'redeemed.'
I think that, at the point where we are expecting the law to instill within people a sense of morality, we have already failed. The law exists to penalize and remove from play those people who would cause harm to the society around them. It isn't there to give them second chances or to try and teach them how to be good people. That is the job of parents, friends, and society in general. A society which relies upon its laws to perform functions beyond determining who has or hasn't caused substantial harm to society through their behavior will, ultimately, be consumed by corruption of the courts when politics supplants the moral compass of the collective.
Animals are beneath the reasoning to form moral rationale.
Demons act with the intent to destroy humans.
As The Yellow Dragon Empress, herself, put it:
Listen well, you pigs in human clothing, for that is the truth of this world.
Most people, I generally consider to be in more of an 'animal' state than a truly human state of reasoning. They are absorbed with the process of life/survival/social strata. Men and women freely try and manipulate each other into getting what they want from each other, as animals mutually playing the same game - and, occasionally, it works out such that it's not abusive and they're each going the same way.
The question is... when given agency and the prompt to think and act above those basic impulses, what does a person do? How do they choose to be? Few to no humans are perfect - all of us are pigs trying to fit into that human clothing to some degree or another - (well, unless we are aliens, but the pleasures of being human can be a bit much for even the aliens, as Ryuuko found out), and as such, errors of judgment can be made.
The problem is when someone consistently chooses the path to harm or abuse others. Even if they are in the state of an animal, certain actions and behaviors can't be permitted. The law exists for a reason. When people who break those laws are given excessive leniency to continue to harm others, it creates an atmosphere of 'I can get away with [bad thing] at least once if I get caught doing it.' As the saying goes: "It's only illegal if you get caught." If everyone has a 'get out of jail' free pass for their first noteworthy crime, then everyone gets to freely commit those crimes until they get caught the first time.
This isn't the way it 'should be' - but it is often the way it works out in practice.
So, unfortunately, there are situations where even a person who could be redeemable must be dealt with according to the law's punishments. In theory, we may be able to reach such a point where part of a guilty verdict does include a more reliable means of determining who is or isn't redeemable, but I am honestly not so sure I would trust such a convenient thing, anyway. I would rather be falsely accused and sentenced by people than have a 'perfect machine' sorting people according to who can or can't be 'redeemed.'
I think that, at the point where we are expecting the law to instill within people a sense of morality, we have already failed. The law exists to penalize and remove from play those people who would cause harm to the society around them. It isn't there to give them second chances or to try and teach them how to be good people. That is the job of parents, friends, and society in general. A society which relies upon its laws to perform functions beyond determining who has or hasn't caused substantial harm to society through their behavior will, ultimately, be consumed by corruption of the courts when politics supplants the moral compass of the collective.
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This is the best answer.
OT: For me it depends on the crime, the how and the why.
The only crime I consider irredeemable is legit rape it makes me sick to the core. I'd actually cap somebody for that no regrets.
Reflecting on the question a bit, I think a much more simple and personalized answer is due:
Anyone asking the question of whether or not they can be redeemed can be redeemed. I'm not saying everyone is going to jump up and give them a hug and all is forgiven. However, for those who are willing to begin putting forth the effort to become the better person they wish to be, then there is certainly the possibility they can become a better person. Redemption is more personal than social. There are people out there who will never be happy, or who will never release someone from the bondage of guilt. There is seeking redemption through becoming closer to the good person you want to be, and then there is making yourself slave to guilt. Be very wary of the last one. Many wrongs are priceless - there is nothing that can truly undo them or compensate for them, and as I warned, there are some who will never release another person from the bondage of guilt and will justify their own extortion by their prior status as a victim.
Anyone asking the question of whether or not they can be redeemed can be redeemed. I'm not saying everyone is going to jump up and give them a hug and all is forgiven. However, for those who are willing to begin putting forth the effort to become the better person they wish to be, then there is certainly the possibility they can become a better person. Redemption is more personal than social. There are people out there who will never be happy, or who will never release someone from the bondage of guilt. There is seeking redemption through becoming closer to the good person you want to be, and then there is making yourself slave to guilt. Be very wary of the last one. Many wrongs are priceless - there is nothing that can truly undo them or compensate for them, and as I warned, there are some who will never release another person from the bondage of guilt and will justify their own extortion by their prior status as a victim.