Do you think Resurrecion F base Goku is stronger than ssj3 Goku?

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None of that happened in the manga.

In the manga goku did not fight beerus outside of Super saiyan god. If you want his fight with beerus in the movie then go read the manga you will see massive inaccuracies between the two.

Goku fighting beerus outside of super saiyan god is complete filler, as i said go see for yourselves



Vegeta never got God ki, he has super saiyan blue.

Second if goku did absorb god Ki his super saiyan blue would completely dwarf vegeta's making him completely irreverent to goku's training and i highly doubt vegeta would get God ki, off panel and also have nothing said of it. Goku absorbing god Ki in his base form creates to much of a power gap between him and the other than it would make anyone that isn't goku completely redundant in comparison.
Also if this was true goku wouldn't even been super saiyan blue to take down golden freiza, his base form would've been enough or just SSj1

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please leave from any possible dbz discussion, fool the manga AND anime is cannon, there is no such thing as fillers in DBS

the manga just go ahead cause its up to the anime in creating the resurrection F arc/champa arc.

 

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please leave from any possible dbz discussion, fool the manga AND anime is cannon, there is no such thing as fillers in DBS

the manga just go ahead cause its up to the anime in creating the resurrection F arc/champa arc.

Again go read the manga and stop being ignorant.

This is just a few inaccuracies between the manga and filler movies

When Beerus used his final attack in the movie goku was in normal super saiyan form, yet in the Manga version goku was still in his god mode.

In the movie Goku touched the attack and was trying to push it back while in Super saiyan, Manga he just used kamehameha in god form

While in the movie beerus fired another attack after his big energy orb (which again didn't happen in the manga), which made goku go from super saiyan back to base, Then he powered up back to super saiyan god and the attack dispersed, which again in the manga only took a kamehameha to defeat in god form and none of this Super saiyan, to base then to god form again to defeat.

I'm sure there are more inaccuracies as well. With that said yes it was Filler.

It happened in revival of frieza when Gohan got negged by first form frieza, That didn't happen at all. frieza did not move at all until goku and vegeta arrived.

Anime/Movies will always have filler and give feats/powers that were not meant to be, to increase their run time regardless of if the movie is cannon or if they expect you to of watched the movie before reading the manga. It is only when manga versions come out their inaccuracies are noticed. Which is why i do not trust cannot movies with no manga versions such as the new naruto movies.

i'll say it again, go read the manga for yourself, it doesn't take a genius to see what is filler and what isn't.

 

[Stant]

Again go read the manga and stop being ignorant.

This is just a few inaccuracies between the manga and filler movies

When Beerus used his final attack in the movie goku was in normal super saiyan form, yet in the Manga version goku was still in his god mode.

In the movie Goku touched the attack and was trying to push it back while in Super saiyan, Manga he just used kamehameha in god form

While in the movie beerus fired another attack after his big energy orb (which again didn't happen in the manga), which made goku go from super saiyan back to base, Then he powered up back to super saiyan god and the attack dispersed, which again in the manga only took a kamehameha to defeat in god form and none of this Super saiyan, to base then to god form again to defeat.

I'm sure there are more inaccuracies as well. With that said yes it was Filler.

It happened in revival of frieza when Gohan got negged by first form frieza, That didn't happen at all. frieza did not move at all until goku and vegeta arrived.

Anime/Movies will always have filler and give feats/powers that were not meant to be, to increase their run time regardless of if the movie is cannon or if they expect you to of watched the movie before reading the manga. It is only when manga versions come out their inaccuracies are noticed. Which is why i do not trust cannot movies with no manga versions such as the new naruto movies.

i'll say it again, go read the manga for yourself, it doesn't take a genius to see what is filler and what isn't.

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it doesnt take what?, it doesnt take a genius to prove your omnistupidity. Please learn to use both halves of your brain and search the correct information instead of just beliving words coming out of peoples mouth.

But what the hell?, i wouldn't be discussing with you now if didnt read the manga, OF COURSE i read it. i know the dragon ball franschise almost inside out. and Cant you read?, DBS is in both aspects of anime/manga canon. Toyataro/akira gave the manga a own version of DBS, or rather said a shorter one

 

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But what the hell?, i wouldn't be discussing with you now if didnt read the manga, OF COURSE i read it. i know the dragon ball franschise almost inside out. and Cant you read?, DBS is in both aspects of anime/manga canon. Toyataro/akira gave the manga a own version of DBS, or rather said a shorter one

Well if your have seen the manga then you know the massive difference between the two during the beerus fight.

They cannot both be correct because they contradict each other. Goku cannot of fought beerus as Super saiyan while at the same time fight him as super saiyan god
Goku cannot defeat Beerus's blast by powering up while at the same time defeat it with a kamehameha.

The movie plot is cannon but it is filled with filler content to make the run time increase such as goku fighting beerus outside of god form. This is Fact I have manga scans proving goku did not leave god form, Did not fight beerus in Ssj1 and did not defeat beerus's energy ball by powering up.

There cannot be two completely different endings to the same damn plot line. You should check yourself before calling other stupid if you believe i am wrong.

Manga fact, Goku did not fight beerus outside of super saiyan god
Manga fact, Goku did not defeat beerus's energy blast by powering up from base to super saiyan god
Manga fact, Goku did not power down to base form once during their fight
Manga fact, Beerus did not fire a second energy blast at goku
Manga fact, Goku defeated beerus energy blast with a kamehameha not by powering up
Manga fact, beerus said nothing of goku absorbing God ki

This either makes the Manga wrong or the animated movie wrong they cannot both be right.

 

[Stant]

Well if your have seen the manga then you know the massive difference between the two during the beerus fight.

They cannot both be correct because they contradict each other. Goku cannot of fought beerus as Super saiyan while at the same time fight him as super saiyan god
Goku cannot defeat Beerus's blast by powering up while at the same time defeat it with a kamehameha.

The movie plot is cannon but it is filled with filler content to make the run time increase such as goku fighting beerus outside of god form. This is Fact I have manga scans proving goku did not leave god form, Did not fight beerus in Ssj1 and did not defeat beerus's energy ball by powering up.

There cannot be two completely different endings to the same damn plot line. You should check yourself before calling other stupid if you believe i am wrong.

Manga fact, Goku did not fight beerus outside of super saiyan god
Manga fact, Goku did not defeat beerus's energy blast by powering up from base to super saiyan god
Manga fact, Goku did not power down to base form once during their fight
Manga fact, Beerus did not fire a second energy blast at goku
Manga fact, Goku defeated beerus energy blast with a kamehameha not by powering up
Manga fact, beerus said nothing of goku absorbing God ki

This either makes the Manga wrong or the animated movie wrong they cannot both be right.

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[OG sama]

None of that happened in the manga.

In the manga goku did not fight beerus outside of Super saiyan god. If you want his fight with beerus in the movie then go read the manga you will see massive inaccuracies between the two.

Goku fighting beerus outside of super saiyan god is complete filler, as i said go see for yourselves



Vegeta never got God ki, he has super saiyan blue.

Second if goku did absorb god Ki his super saiyan blue would completely dwarf vegeta's making him completely irreverent to goku's training and i highly doubt vegeta would get God ki, off panel and also have nothing said of it. Goku absorbing god Ki in his base form creates to much of a power gap between him and the other than it would make anyone that isn't goku completely redundant in comparison.
Also if this was true goku wouldn't even been super saiyan blue to take down golden freiza, his base form would've been enough or just SSj1

Vegeta did the ritual off screen most likely, how else would he get the form? How Is he going to train and get the form when Goku couldn't, Goku needed to absorb Gods power and make it his own. Ergo why the form is described as a form you get when a saiyan has gained the power of Super Saiyan god AND turns into a super saiyan. Its not a form you can simply train and get. You wanna bring up Goku not having God Ki in base, but you say Vegeta trained and just magically got Super saiyan blue? That makes sense to you?

Do you not realize that Super Saiyan blue still has God Ki? Where was Vegeta suppose to get this God ki from without the ritual, and how is he going to get it just one year after BOGs?

You wanna say that if Vegeta did the ritual it would've been mentioned but if all it took was for Vegeta to train and get the form while Goku had to go through the ritual, then wouldn't that be mentioned as well?

 

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Vegeta did the ritual off screen most likely, how else would he get the form? How Is he going to train and get the form when Goku couldn't, Goku needed to absorb Gods power and make it his own. Ergo why the form is described as a form you get when a saiyan has gained the power of Super Saiyan god AND turns into a super saiyan. Its not a form you can simply train and get. You wanna bring up Goku not having God Ki in base, but you say Vegeta trained and just magically got Super saiyan blue? That makes sense to you?

Do you not realize that Super Saiyan blue still has God Ki? Where was Vegeta suppose to get this God ki from without the ritual, and how is he going to get it just one year after BOGs?

You wanna say that if Vegeta did the ritual it would've been mentioned but if all it took was for Vegeta to train and get the form while Goku had to go through the ritual, then wouldn't that be mentioned as well?

Even if they both have God ki I can't see it affecting their base forms, since to achieve a new level of Ki they have always needed to transform in the first place, Like they have always done with Ssj1, 2 and 3 and thats where Blue would fit in.

I also found this interesting when skim reading

Calling Super saiyan blue "A new evolution of power Nearing that of the gods". Found it interesting that they said "Nearing the power of gods" and not just saying "A new evolution with the power of gods". Since i'd assume if you have god Ki your power is that of a god not a power nearing that of gods.

 

[Zerox553]

Well if your have seen the manga then you know the massive difference between the two during the beerus fight.

They cannot both be correct because they contradict each other. Goku cannot of fought beerus as Super saiyan while at the same time fight him as super saiyan god
Goku cannot defeat Beerus's blast by powering up while at the same time defeat it with a kamehameha.

The movie plot is cannon but it is filled with filler content to make the run time increase such as goku fighting beerus outside of god form. This is Fact I have manga scans proving goku did not leave god form, Did not fight beerus in Ssj1 and did not defeat beerus's energy ball by powering up.

There cannot be two completely different endings to the same damn plot line. You should check yourself before calling other stupid if you believe i am wrong.

Manga fact, Goku did not fight beerus outside of super saiyan god
Manga fact, Goku did not defeat beerus's energy blast by powering up from base to super saiyan god
Manga fact, Goku did not power down to base form once during their fight
Manga fact, Beerus did not fire a second energy blast at goku
Manga fact, Goku defeated beerus energy blast with a kamehameha not by powering up
Manga fact, beerus said nothing of goku absorbing God ki

This either makes the Manga wrong or the animated movie wrong they cannot both be right.

When retardation transcends physical and conceptual bounds, when the universe could no longer contain the bulk of its stupidity, when you didn't think humanity could get any dumber, when you thought people in asylums were insane, when you thought than it couldn't get worse than all this.....

Exaar was born

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Even if they both have God ki I can't see it affecting their base forms, since to achieve a new level of Ki they have always needed to transform in the first place, Like they have always done with Ssj1, 2 and 3 and thats where Blue would fit in.

I also found this interesting when skim reading

Calling Super saiyan blue "A new evolution of power Nearing that of the gods". Found it interesting that they said "Nearing the power of gods" and not just saying "A new evolution with the power of gods". Since i'd assume if you have god Ki your power is that of a god not a power nearing that of gods.

It said the gods
Reffering to whis and Beerus
Also the anime is the primary source of info now
So the manga doesn't contradict shit

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

This dumbass really gone spread this bs when its been made clear the anime is the true cannon now

 

[Exaar]

When retardation transcends physical and conceptual bounds, when the universe could no longer contain the bulk of its stupidity, when you didn't think humanity could get any dumber, when you thought people in asylums were insane, when you thought than it couldn't get worse than all this.....

Exaar was born

Prove me wrong, Then we will talk about stupidity.

Everything i have said i can back up with the manga.

Also the anime is the primary source of info now
So the manga doesn't contradict shit

My god are you blind?

Read the manga and watch the anime you can see clear differences between the two. The ending of the fight between beerus and goku was completely different in the movie compared to the manga. Thus is a contradiction. How is that hard to understand when the evidence it right in front of your damn eyes

This dumbass really gone spread this bs when its been made clear the anime is the true cannon now

Manga > Anime version always.
The movie is cannon but no more cannon that shippuden episodes or dbz anime episodes, it is based on Cannon material and follows cannon plot line but contains fillers that increase run time and that aren't in the manga version.

As i have already said too many time, Read the manga version of goku vs beerus and see for your damn selves. You can easily see what the animators have changed compared to the manga version

 

[Ansatsuken]

Prove me wrong, Then we will talk about stupidity.

Everything i have said i can back up with the manga.



My god are you blind?

Read the manga and watch the anime you can see clear differences between the two. The ending of the fight between beerus and goku was completely different in the movie compared to the manga. Thus is a contradiction. How is that hard to understand when the evidence it right in front of your damn eyes





Manga > Anime version always.
The movie is cannon but no more cannon that shippuden episodes or dbz anime episodes, it is based on Cannon material and follows cannon plot line but contains fillers that increase run time and that aren't in the manga version.

As i have already said too many time, Read the manga version of goku vs beerus and see for your damn selves. You can easily see what the animators have changed compared to the manga version

From what i understand and remember, Toriyama or his spoke person said DB Super is anime base and not manga base.

Therefore Anime is canon here and not manga.

 

[Son Wukong]

Obviously, he absorbed the Godly Ki which makes his base form equal to SSG.

 

[Exaar]

From what i understand and remember, Toriyama or his spoke person said DB Super is anime base and not manga base.

Therefore Anime is canon here and not manga.

But that wouldn't really make much sense, If the Anime was base then why would he change such key points in the manga version or even bother showing BOG in manga version. They aren't even small changes either. They change power levels massively depending on which version is right.

 

[Ansatsuken]

But that wouldn't really make much sense, If the Anime was base then why would he change such key points in the manga version or even bother showing BOG in manga version. They aren't even small changes either. They change power levels massively depending on which version is right.

It bcus manga turned into complete filler. In manga before anime arrived we saw Beerus blow whole planet but in canon anime he blow the planet only half.

Thats mean here you need to follow anime story and not manga story. You still can readit but keep in mind its not canon story.

 

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It bcus manga turned into complete filler. In manga before anime arrived we saw Beerus blow whole planet but in canon anime he blow the planet only half.

Thats mean here you need to follow anime story and not manga story. You still can readit but keep in mind its not canon story.

my god , humans never learn do they. Look manga AND anime is canon. i repeat There is NOTHING such a s filler in DBS.

manga= just a another version, some slight difference only

 

[Exaar]

It bcus manga turned into complete filler. In manga before anime arrived we saw Beerus blow whole planet but in canon anime he blow the planet only half.

Thats mean here you need to follow anime story and not manga story. You still can readit but keep in mind its not canon story.

Do you have any links about this apparent Anime is cannon and manga is filler because it simply makes absolutely zero sense for a manga to be filler and anime to be cannon. It's pretty backwards to how alot of other mangas work.

my god , humans never learn do they. Look manga AND anime is canon. i repeat There is NOTHING such a s filler in DBS.

manga= just a another version, some slight difference only

There cannot be two different endings to the same fight in the same time line. It's just that simple.

Goku cannot power up and defeat beerus Ki blask while at the same time use a kamehameha to defeat it.
He cannot fight beerus outside of God form, While at the same time fight him in god form only.

One is right cannon wise and the other isn't.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Do you have any links about this apparent Anime is cannon and manga is filler because it simply makes absolutely zero sense for a manga to be filler and anime to be cannon. It's pretty backwards to how alot of other mangas work.



There cannot be two different endings to the same fight in the same time line. It's just that simple.

Goku cannot power up and defeat beerus Ki blask while at the same time use a kamehameha to defeat it.
He cannot fight beerus outside of God form, While at the same time fight him in god form only.

One is right cannon wise and the other isn't.

The manga is the anime adaptation rather than the other way around
The manga gives quick overviews while the show is in depth
Therefore there is no filler as Toryama has more input on the anime than manga
Unless you think toyotaro has more control
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Do yourresearch
Dbs is a special case
He can fight Beerus without god form
Manga shows him doing it with whis and almost landing a hit
Movie shows it
And in super he destroys beerus's best move so far in the fight while in base

 

[Exaar]

It bcus manga turned into complete filler. In manga before anime arrived we saw Beerus blow whole planet but in canon anime he blow the planet only half.

Thats mean here you need to follow anime story and not manga story. You still can readit but keep in mind its not canon story.

Found a interview but it mentions nothing on which is cannon or not. But what is stated is " When I created the original manga, I had to finish everything alone, but if I leave Battle of the Gods up to the staff, then they could create more than I expect".

 

[Exaar]

Therefore there is no filler as Toryama has more input on the anime than manga
Unless you think toyotaro has more control

Iv'e seen a few of the interviews and none of them have said he had directly input with the actual animations. It has been stated he wrote the plot line and created the character models.

Also i would like to see said research that states he had more imput in the anime than the manga?.

Manga shows him doing it with whis and almost landing a hit
Movie shows it

Show the manga scan i haven't seen goku even come close to hitting whis. Even with Vegeta's help.