Do you think Orochimaru finally surprassed Itachi?

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yes he is, we know that when somebody meet the sharingan for the first time get completely fodderized.

Itachi vs kakshi first time, kakshi got 1shot, second time they meet, kakshi had no problem fighting him.

same thing with orochimaru, he trained sasuke who got sharingan for 3 years. now his body doesn't rot, don't need to eat and is immortal. god i wish he would do something crazy soon to make this manga epic ;ddddd
 

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You realize it takes longer to make clones than it does to use Amaterasu? Amaterasu is one of the quickest techniques in the manga.
Madara must've been really fast to throw his armor off, then ._.

Didn't Obito as Juubi Jin block it, though? I might be mistaken, so don't yell at me, Pengy.
 

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What did Senju DNA change??? Has anyone forgotten that this is the same guy that perfected using Hashi cells ,created Yamato, and gave Danzo his freaky arm??? Orochi probably got Hashi cells implanted a long time ago, its just now his whole body is made from them.
Orochimaru when first met white zetsu, stated that he never have seen something like that before. white zetsu is created from yin-yang release, only those who got rinnegan can do it. zetsu is like the greatest form out there.
 

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Madara must've been really fast to throw his armor off, then ._.

Didn't Obito as Juubi Jin block it, though? I might be mistaken, so don't yell at me, Pengy.
Madara is one of the fastest characters in the manga, and he absorbed Amaterasu through the preta path. Rikudobito is the fastest character in the manga, and has one of the best sensory abilities as well. Orochimaru does not have top tier speed or reflexes such as Rikudobito or Madara.
 

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This. Hypothetically he could beat him, but adding a senju body to his abilities does not stop the genjutsu trap Itachi used in their first encounter.

I need actual feats to change my opinion.
Orochimaru negated the very same Genjutsu later, proving he sort of can withstand Genjutsu. Plus, Orochimaru can just cover his eyes, and use Zetu's Sensory abilities, along with his snake sensing.
 

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No I don't think so. Only because Kishi had him owned with a simple genjutsu in a split second. I don't see how any of his new feats are going to keep that from happening again
 

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Madara is one of the fastest characters in the manga, and he absorbed Amaterasu through the preta path. Rikudobito is the fastest character in the manga, and has one of the best sensory abilities as well. Orochimaru does not have top tier speed or reflexes such as Rikudobito or Madara.
If he absorbed it, what was the point of dropping his armor, that was still on fire when it was on the ground.
 

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Oro is amazing, but without the edos, not yet.

If Orochimaru does in fact get Mokuton and Dsm, he'd be at least on Itachi's level. But as of now, he's on a tier below him.
 

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No. I believe you're mad cause Itachi owns them,
Kakashi literally Kamui's Itachi and his Susano'o away. He has better speed and stamina, and equal intelligence. They have similar arsenals filled with Bunshin, but Itachi is a smidge better in genjutsu. Kakashi already knows Tsukuyomi is a one shot, so he wouldn't look in Itachi's eyes. Kakashi wins it 6/10 times.

If Tobirama had two edos with him, he beats Itachi 5/10 times.
 

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No I don't think so. Only because Kishi had him owned with a simple genjutsu in a split second. I don't see how any of his new feats are going to keep that from happening again
To be completely fair, Orochimaru was literally a split second away from using "Kai: Release!" to get out of it. Only Itachi cut off his hand. Genjutsu is his weakness, but his obscene amounts of jutsu knowledge allows him to easily discern when he's in a Genjutsu and properly release himself.
 

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To be completely fair, Orochimaru was literally a split second away from using "Kai: Release!" to get out of it. Only Itachi cut off his hand. Genjutsu is his weakness, but his obscene amounts of jutsu knowledge allows him to easily discern when he's in a Genjutsu and properly release himself.
Why is he even on the thread? He seems butthurt.
You guys have similar avatars (border, Lawd Oro) and both have foreignese writing in your profile ._.
 

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Itachi = pre war Orochimaru.

Itachi defeated orochimaru in just short skirmishes. If both had intend to kill and fought full prepared then I believe Orochimaru wins. Because orochimaru have Edo tensei, Manda,Hydra + virtually infinite stamina + all his ninjutusu+ sound ninja fodders at his disposal.

In contrast to that itachi will have to rely on his susasanoo for 24 hour protection and spam amatersu. which will tire him quickly and He will die soon.

Itachi can't defeate the edo hokages especially with Edo Minato at Orochimaru's disposal. :D
 

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yes he is, we know that when somebody meet the sharingan for the first time get completely fodderized.

Itachi vs kakshi first time, kakshi got 1shot, second time they meet, kakshi had no problem fighting him.

same thing with orochimaru, he trained sasuke who got sharingan for 3 years. now his body doesn't rot, don't need to eat and is immortal. god i wish he would do something crazy soon to make this manga epic ;ddddd
Bruh ur actin like itachi was at 100% had a killing intent against kakashi:|
 

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Orochimaru negated the very same Genjutsu later, proving he sort of can withstand Genjutsu. Plus, Orochimaru can just cover his eyes, and use Zetu's Sensory abilities, along with his snake sensing.
Negated when? Even Sasuke used the same jutsu to defeat him almost 13 years later. (Timeline based off of akatsuki remarks, as Kishi is absurd with his timeline)
 
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