Do you think naruto base as strong as hashirama now?

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Do you think naruto in his base take on kurama? Hashirama took on kurama neg diff.

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[Zavage10]

No, he cant even sense in base...

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

No he is gonna need his mommy and bee and gYuki to help him again

 

[Madarauchiwa]

no. base naruto is minato without ftg or sealing jutsu.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Just no. Naruto is more powerful definitely. But he will have to be fighting all out to beat hashirama.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Hokage Naruto needs BM too win

 

[Xez919]

In the last his base form is pretty beast. But against Hashirama BMS is needed for a Hard win... RM for an easy win

 

[Ansatsuken]

Hashirama in base still stronger than base Naruto

He fought EMS Madara in Base mode for long time before activating his Sage Mode to counter Madara Iso Susanoo

 

[Chaosmark101]

In the last his base form is pretty beast. But against Hashirama BMS is needed for a Hard win... RM for an easy win

He doesn't need BSM, BM is enough considering Naruto has Full Karama now, and he can have KCSM Naruto clones who can fly & spam guided FRS.

Wouldn't come to that though because a Flash Bijuu dama from Naruto & 100% Kurama would Erase SM Hashi into oblivion.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Hashirama in base still stronger than base Naruto

He fought EMS Madara in Base mode for long time before activating his Sage Mode to counter Madara Iso Susanoo

Still we really shouldn't compare Rikudou enhanced characters with Non Rikudo enhanced characters, the power gap is a bit too big.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

In the last his base form is pretty beast. But against Hashirama BMS is needed for a Hard win... RM for an easy win

I think you are underestimating Hashirama. He beat Madara plus kyuubi. Naruto is going to need RM to beat hashirama. Might even need RSM.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Still we really shouldn't compare Rikudou enhanced characters with Non Rikudo enhanced characters, the power gap is a bit too big.

We must see first what Base Naruto post Rikudou power up can do without he going Chakra mode or SM first. But he never show it in manga because most of the time he fought his opponents in chakra mode or SM.

But Hashirama already shows us that he fought EMS Madara with final susanoo and Kyuubi without activating his Sage Mode for long period of time before Madara used Iso Susanoo.

Even in the last, Naruto still relied on his chakra mode first when fighting with Toneri.

Using ABC logic, sure we would side with Naruto because he have Rikudou power.

But feats wise in base mode, Hashirama top Naruto in this area until Naruto shows us he fight someone without need to go SM or Chakra Mode first.

 

[Chaosmark101]

We must see first what Base Naruto post Rikudou power up can do without he going Chakra mode or SM first. But he never show it in manga because most of the time he fought his opponents in chakra mode or SM.

But Hashirama already shows us that he fought EMS Madara with final susanoo and Kyuubi without activating his Sage Mode for long period of time before Madara used Iso Susanoo.

Even in the last, Naruto still relied on his chakra mode first when fighting with Toneri.

Using ABC logic, sure we would side with Naruto because he have Rikudou power.

But feats wise in base mode, Hashirama top Naruto in this area until Naruto shows us he fight someone without need to go SM or Chakra Mode first.

Yeah Base Hashirama is a beast. I mean he can use his Battle avatar in Base.

Thats why I said Naruto needs BM too win, there's now way going by feats could Base Naruto win, sm, & possibly kcm might not be enough.

Edit: For the second part ABC Logic isn't necessary when it comes to Rikudou chakra, it has the feats to back it up.

DMS Kakashi being the perfect example he only had dual MS with Kamui, nothing too special Hashirama would still solo. BUT! Kakashi also had Obitos Rikudou chakra! Granting him PS with wings, Kamui Rakiri, & lots of Power!

DMS Kakashi could neg with a Kamui snipe, Kamui Shurikens or just GG Hashirama since he can't counter Kamui Rakiri which went straight through Kaguya.

This is why we shouldn't compare Rikudou enchanced characters. ABC logic has nothing to do with it.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Wow. This thread. I think a lot of people have forgotten who madara and hashirama were. This is really due to naruto and lord sasuke. True they are in a class of their own. But that doesn't mean they can take hashirama lightly. Since everyone has forgotten. Let me remind you.

hashirama faced madara + kyuubi and won. This was kurama before he was split in two so full kyuubi. In fact madara surrounded kyuubi in an armor of PS and hashirama still beat him.
If Naruto and hashirama were to fight, Naruto would have to be in nothing less than RM to win. Anything less and hashirama will wreck him. Hashirama has techniques specially to subdue Jinchuuriki and bijuu (didn't he have all bijju in his commamd at a point? I forget). And wood clones almost impossible to percieve. So really, Naruto would have to be in RSM to be sure of a win.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Yeah Base Hashirama is a beast. I mean he can use his Battle avatar in Base.

Thats why I said Naruto needs BM too win, there's now way going by feats could Base Naruto win, sm, & possibly kcm might not be enough.

Edit: For the second part ABC Logic isn't necessary when it comes to Rikudou chakra, it has the feats to back it up.

DMS Kakashi being the perfect example he only had dual MS with Kamui, nothing too special Hashirama would still solo. BUT! Kakashi also had Obitos Rikudou chakra! Granting him PS with wings, Kamui Rakiri, & lots of Power!

DMS Kakashi could neg with a Kamui snipe, Kamui Shurikens or just GG Hashirama since he can't counter Kamui Rakiri which went straight through Kaguya.

This is why we shouldn't compare Rikudou enchanced characters. ABC logic has nothing to do with it.

But when you are on MS or EMS mode, thats cant be called as Base Mode. Kakashi body sure in base mode but his eyes is not in base mode.

Except Sasuke.

And you cant compared Yin user(Eyes) to Yang user(Body)

We should see how far Yang user enhanced with Rikudou power up can go when in base mode first.

You should compared between Yang user(Hashirama) and other Yang user(Naruto). And thats how we can get to know the differences.

 

[Chaosmark101]

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Kyuubi was being controlled guy. Believe you me we (NB) Know the extent of Hashiramas power he's right underneath Eight gate guy when it's comes too being the strongest with one's own power. But Lord Shodai himself who captured all the bijuu, cannonically stated himself

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He needed his Waifu Mito Uzumaki too beat the Kyuubi, then she was made its Jinchuriki.

& Like I said above your post failed when comparing Kyuubi when its being controlled, too when its under its own free will. Especially when it's him & Naruto combined facing him.

Kyuubi while being controlled by madz cannonically negged wood dragon with a standard bijuu dama,
which also obliterated mokujin.

Hell the first Bijuu dama Naruto created was equal to one made by

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(Ignore Kishi's poor scaling)

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Now if the Kyuubi or BM Naruto (who I'm debating for, with full Kurama were too just sit there and make an enormous TBB, what would Hashirama do?

Hashirama even Hurting BM Naruto is out of the question when Naruto with Half Kurama blocked

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Mokujin and Shinsuenjuu tanking an onslaught of flash bijuu damas, or continuous bijuu damas is laughable. Especially considering BM Narutos durability, & speed compared to SM Hashirama

Believe me, I use too love Lord Hashirama. I actually debated for him (base Hashirama)on NDS boards a month or two against Nagato.

Hashirama can't win here against chapter 700 + BM Naruto.

 

[Chaosmark101]

But when you are on MS or EMS mode, thats cant be called as Base Mode. Kakashi body sure in base mode but his eyes is not in base mode.

Except Sasuke.

And you cant compared Yin user(Eyes) to Yang user(Body)

We should see how far Yang user enhanced with Rikudou power up can go when in base mode first.

You should compared between Yang user(Hashirama) and other Yang user(Naruto). And thats how we can get to know the differences.

Your right wasn't comparing characters in "base" my bad

 

[Shruikan]

Base Hashirama is still stronger.Naruto would need atleast KCM or SM

 

[Gold Lightning]

Probably not.

Base Hokage Naruto is just Minato without FTG now. Substitute FTG for clones and sealing jutsu for Rasenshurikens.

Bijuu Mode is needed at least. Don't even think Sage Naruto could.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

One chakra punch== GG Hashirama. Base Naruto in the last beats Hashi easily. He overpowered the moon cutter. Lol