Do you think Itachi was meant to be good from his character's conception?

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I think he was originally supposed to be bad. But I think around the time when he came to the leaf to get naruto is when they had the idea of making him good. In the forest of deaths episodes when sasuke thinks of him the voice is completely different and he's bald/shaved head. Bald ppl seem more evil
 

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I think he was always intended to be a good guy. If he was truely evil he would have just killed Sasuke from the start or hurt him worse when he encountered him in part 1. All he did was break his wrist while could have put him in a coma instead. There's also the fact he didn't try to harm Jiraiya. Yeah he said Kisame and he wouldn't have won easily but that was pretty merciful for someone who's supposedly a villain. He could tried using Amaterasu on him too before escaping.
 
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I honestly think Kishi pulled that one out his Ass, I hated when he went from being cool Itachi with exploding water clonez to the cliche wise obedient warrior that did it for his country, some of the crap he did to Sasuke was like??? And then he was just suddenly the good guy.....riiiiight

I think Kishi does it alot, not that I blame him or anything, but I think certain things he brings to the Manga weren't thought of when he first made it
 

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I honestly think Kishi pulled that one out his Ass, I hated when he went from being cool Itachi with exploding water clonez to the cliche wise obedient warrior that did it for his country, some of the crap he did to Sasuke was like??? And then he was just suddenly the good guy.....riiiiight

I think Kishi does it alot, not that I blame him or anything, but I think certain things he brings to the Manga weren't thought of when he first made it

Like Danzo's character in general. That was just too convenient lol. If he was to do something like have Naruto suddenly (completely out of the blue is what it'd be) falling in love with Hinata, I'd go to Japan and personally slap his face. That would be awful terrible writing. Naruto has always loved Sakura so for him to go against that would make him not faithful to his "never give up" motto.
Anyway, yea, some of the stuff just seems to pop out of nowhere and conveniently slips into the story. Not that I haven't enjoyed the story so far lol
 
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of course not. in fact hes still not good. well intentioned extremist at absolute best but never good. you cant brutally torture your own 7 year old brother and beat him up, and expect me to call you a good guy. plus he mind****ed sasuke into trying to kill naruto. to itachi, naruto is a disposable piece of meat, a means to an end. then theres the fact that for NO REASON AT ALL, he just lets orochimaru go and run amok, killing and experimenting on hundreds. your good guy ladies and gentlemen. standing by and doing nothing as hundreds suffer in darkness.

Itachi is not a bad person ..he had to chose between his village and his clan and i guess he loved the village too much to sacrifice it
why would he sacrifice it? uchihas had no intention of destroying the village

the fact that he left Sasuke alive proves hes not "Evil"
yes he left him alive, and inflicted on him pain, misery, hate and loneliness for many years. and after all that, he expected sasuke to turn out good? absurd.

I understand what he did and I really respect him for it.
you respect genocide? maybe you should join him in hell then, along with hitler and stalin. nazis killing jews were "just following orders" too.

getting him to kill his own clan is a little rough so how would you feel
well i wouldnt go through with it, thats for sure.

Anyway Itachi has always been good, he planned everything. But failed. Actually he had failed since he couldn't kill Sasuke.
itachi is never good. hes horrible and despicable and evil. no man who can torture people and offer up an innocent boy as a sacrifice for MS can be considered good in any sense of the word. and im afraid i think all of you are just as evil for thinking he did the right things.

he had to my attributes that kept him from being a villain from the start.
like torturing people sadistically? like mind****ing and mindraping his own kid brother? like murdering his parents from behind like a coward? like kicking a defenceless kurenai in the face? like planning to murder kakashi if gai didnt arrive? like telling konoha nothing about their greatest foes and getting millions killed because of this? like talking shit to his own superiors and calling his own clan pathetic? like killing EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING IN HIS PATH indiscriminately? even though many of the clan were probably forced into it and were genuinely good people? like mikoto for example. genocide is never justified and it never means your a good guy especially since itachi never spent the rest of his life atoning for it. he just sank deeper and deeper into evil and even helped akatsuki more than hindered it.

i think itachi was always good, he killed his clan as a mission or order from konoha...he never did anything evil on his own free will
genocide was of his own free will. he could have ignored the mission and gave it to someone else. and do not tell me mindraping his brother was an order. he did that completely on his own. its very frightenign that you think this ruthless selfish torturing traitorous psycho is "good" in any sense of the word.

I know he never did anything evil
:confused: ok i am officially afraid now. torture isnt evil? genocides not evil? lying and manipulating a good little boy into being a hateful criminal is not evil? withholding info that could save millions is not evil? recruiting new akatsuki isnt evil? planning to brainwash and take away sasuke's free will and very identity of being human just to make him konoha's slave is not evil? what kind of horrible person are you to not consider itachi evil?

I think he was always intended to be a good guy. If he was truely evil he would have just killed Sasuke from the start or hurt him worse when he encountered him in part 1
even bad guys dont kill children indiscriminately. tobi was good enough to simply hold naruto as a hostage rather than killing him right away. oro was good enough to simply train sasuke and kimimaro rather than kill them. granted he wanted henchmen but sauske had no real intention of obeying him.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WORSE THAN BEING FORCED TO WATCH YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY BEING MURDERED OVER AND OVER FOR 72 HOURS? what could be worse than being called nothign and pathetic by your own brother, and being told that he had to kill a friend to be able to kill him? what kind of sick mind could think of something worse?

ll he did was break his wrist while could have put him in a coma instead.
he DID put him in a coma. one he might never have awoken from without the greatest medic in the world returning to konoha.

Itachi is a good person. His actions were just missed placed and misinturped bye many inculding his younger brother
yeah because good people force their 7 year old brother to watch genocide for hours all the time.

There's also the fact he didn't try to harm Jiraiya. Yeah he said Kisame and he wouldn't have won easily
no he didnt. look in the manga section for the real translation. so not harming jiraiya is ok but ordering kakashi's attempted murder after brutally torturing him is A-ok? what kind of person are you?

that was pretty merciful for someone who's supposedly a villain.
even madara is more merciful than itachi. he hasnt even broken out the genjutsu on tsunade yet despite wanting her dead.
 

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of course not. in fact hes still not good. well intentioned extremist at absolute best but never good. you cant brutally torture your own 7 year old brother and beat him up, and expect me to call you a good guy. plus he mind****ed sasuke into trying to kill naruto. to itachi, naruto is a disposable piece of meat, a means to an end. then theres the fact that for NO REASON AT ALL, he just lets orochimaru go and run amok, killing and experimenting on hundreds. your good guy ladies and gentlemen. standing by and doing nothing as hundreds suffer in darkness.

why would he sacrifice it? uchihas had no intention of destroying the village

yes he left him alive, and inflicted on him pain, misery, hate and loneliness for many years. and after all that, he expected sasuke to turn out good? absurd.

you respect genocide? maybe you should join him in hell then, along with hitler and stalin. nazis killing jews were "just following orders" too.

well i wouldnt go through with it, thats for sure.

itachi is never good. hes horrible and despicable and evil. no man who can torture people and offer up an innocent boy as a sacrifice for MS can be considered good in any sense of the word. and im afraid i think all of you are just as evil for thinking he did the right things.

like torturing people sadistically? like mind****ing and mindraping his own kid brother? like murdering his parents from behind like a coward? like kicking a defenceless kurenai in the face? like planning to murder kakashi if gai didnt arrive? like telling konoha nothing about their greatest foes and getting millions killed because of this? like talking shit to his own superiors and calling his own clan pathetic? like killing EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING IN HIS PATH indiscriminately? even though many of the clan were probably forced into it and were genuinely good people? like mikoto for example. genocide is never justified and it never means your a good guy especially since itachi never spent the rest of his life atoning for it. he just sank deeper and deeper into evil and even helped akatsuki more than hindered it.

genocide was of his own free will. he could have ignored the mission and gave it to someone else. and do not tell me mindraping his brother was an order. he did that completely on his own. its very frightenign that you think this ruthless selfish torturing traitorous psycho is "good" in any sense of the word.

:confused: ok i am officially afraid now. torture isnt evil? genocides not evil? lying and manipulating a good little boy into being a hateful criminal is not evil? withholding info that could save millions is not evil? recruiting new akatsuki isnt evil? planning to brainwash and take away sasuke's free will and very identity of being human just to make him konoha's slave is not evil? what kind of horrible person are you to not consider itachi evil?

even bad guys dont kill children indiscriminately. tobi was good enough to simply hold naruto as a hostage rather than killing him right away. oro was good enough to simply train sasuke and kimimaro rather than kill them. granted he wanted henchmen but sauske had no real intention of obeying him.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WORSE THAN BEING FORCED TO WATCH YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY BEING MURDERED OVER AND OVER FOR 72 HOURS? what could be worse than being called nothign and pathetic by your own brother, and being told that he had to kill a friend to be able to kill him? what kind of sick mind could think of something worse?

he DID put him in a coma. one he might never have awoken from without the greatest medic in the world returning to konoha.

yeah because good people force their 7 year old brother to watch genocide for hours all the time.

no he didnt. look in the manga section for the real translation. so not harming jiraiya is ok but ordering kakashi's attempted murder after brutally torturing him is A-ok? what kind of person are you?

even madara is more merciful than itachi. he hasnt even broken out the genjutsu on tsunade yet despite wanting her dead.

I said I respect him because he saved thousands of lives. That was not what the "orders" Hitler gave to the Nazis were about. That was plain ill will with no desire for peace lying on the underside. Itachi's mission involved saving a village and preventing a war. Hitler and the Nazi's were evoking war.

And the only reason he did it was because only an Uchiha could take down fellow clansmen. If I'm not mistaken, he was the only Uchiha in ANBU which is why he was the only one who could do it. If he wasn't, his father wouldn't have made such a big deal about him being a "pipeline" or whatever.
 
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I think that kishi is the kind of person that just sort of makes it all up as he goes along rather than having a real goal or story he wants to follow, but in the end, Itachi RULES
 

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I think that kishi is the kind of person that just sort of makes it all up as he goes along rather than having a real goal or story he wants to follow, but in the end, Itachi RULES

I never said Itachi didn't rule lol. I actually like him a lot.
 

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I agree. He only turned out to be good to give Sasuke his MS. I think Kishi decided this a little before Itachi vs Sasuke fight.

how could he be a villain when he was a pacifists and his reason for killing his clan didn't make any sense?
 

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how could he be a villain when he was a pacifists
how can he be a pacifist when he threatened high treason and helped akatsuki?

Since chapter seven...
in the anime, sauske said "that time...i was crying". not just "crying".

I said I respect him because he saved thousands of lives.
and condemned many more millions to death.
1. didnt warn anyone about madara before the massacre
2. didnt stop orochimaru when he had more than enough power to do so while he was near the area and had kisame as backup
3. planned to get a random citizen murdered by telling sasuke to kill his friend.
4. turned sasuke into a hateful criminal traitor
5. witheld all the intel he'd gathered while in akatsuki and kept it all to himself, which led to the deaths of asuma and jiriaya.
6. helped akatsuki by recruiting deidara and helping hunt down jinchurikis.
7. warned akatsuki about gai coming and prompted pain to send kisame to fight. itachi could have easily got team gai killed
8. killed gaara or at least helped seal him, while getting in team kakashis way for no reason when he could just step aside.
9. unless he was controlling everyones minds, had planned to capture naruto and let kisame cut his legs off since he thought hed taken jiraiya out of the equation.

That was not what the "orders" Hitler gave to the Nazis were about. That was plain ill will with no desire for peace lying on the underside
wouldnt you say the same for madara? what reason did itachi have for joining the organisation rather than becoming like jiraiya, a lone wolf watching them and killing as many as he could?

Itachi's mission involved saving a village and preventing a war. Hitler and the Nazi's were evoking war.
exactly. he had to be ordered to do it rather than convince his dad to stop, on his own. and he blatantly kept the entire world in the dark about information that could have put a stop to akatsuki before they got too powerful. itachi also tried to evoke war by helping to capture jins, and threatening danzo with high treason. killing half a village isnt saving it.

And the only reason he did it was because only an Uchiha could take down fellow clansmen
no. im sure danzo and the god of shinobi can do that too.
 
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