[Discussion] Do you believe the official story of the Holocaust?

[JStar King]

I've seen the footage and even what happened afterwards.

Humanity deserves to burn in the end.

:scorps:

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

The fact that it's taught to people when they're so young is suspicious. On top of the fact that it was immediately used as a reason as to why Israel should have a homeland, by kicking Palestinians out of their own homes and land. A genocide was strategically used by racial nationalists.

I believe it happened, but it's a suspicious topic to me.

 

[Yubel]

The fact that it's taught to people when they're so young is suspicious. On top of the fact that it was immediately used as a reason as to why Israel should have a homeland, by kicking Palestinians out of their own homes and land. A genocide was strategically used by racial nationalists.

I believe it happened, but it's a suspicious topic to me.

History is written by the victors, also there are many books on this topic questioning the official story by the facts presented that have been banned on Amazon.

 

[SamAdams]

How much have you studied this topic outside of what was fed to you in elementary school or the education system in general? What questions do you have about the Holocaust? Do you believe it? Deny it completely? Or are you somewhere in the middle?

In the middle.

The victors write the history and write it to their advantage.

I've read quite a lot on the subject and I don't deny that Jews were rounded up and placed in camps. That's pretty well established.

What i'm not sure about is the gassing claim. I've read a lot about problems with lice, typhus etc and claims that the gas rooms were for disinfect clothes etc for those reasons and that the emaciated Jews were due to the Germans who supervised the camps abandoning them near the end of the war.

That said, i'm not a denier, i'm just not convinced as to what was taught to me in school to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

[Michelle]

Any official story has from a little to very much changes of the real facts. I don't know what I can trust from history. It is a propaganda tool and it always were like this.
We still have eye witneses, but they were too young back then.
So i don't trust the official version but i cannot say for sure what is not right in it, from lack of informations.

 

[Deadlift]

Hey OP, are you a flat earther, a young earth creationist and a Jesus mythicist also? What about the alien who shape shifted from human to reptile at Obama's conference?

 

[chopstickchakra]

So we're at a point where a good chunk of people now believe the Earth is flat(again) and that the Holocaust never actually happened.

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[Lightbringer]

The fact that it's taught to people when they're so young is suspicious. On top of the fact that it was immediately used as a reason as to why Israel should have a homeland, by kicking Palestinians out of their own homes and land. A genocide was strategically used by racial nationalists.

I believe it happened, but it's a suspicious topic to me.

People are taught morals when they're young. The holocaust is an example of one of the most immoral acts in contemporary history.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

People are taught morals when they're young. The holocaust is an example of one of the most immoral acts in contemporary history.

Why that genocide out of all the others?

Exactly. You can't tell me that isn't suspicious coupled with the fact that Zionists used it to take Palestine from people.

 

[Lightbringer]

Why that genocide out of all the others?

Exactly. You can't tell me that isn't suspicious coupled with the fact that Zionists used it to take Palestine from people.

Because it was part of the biggest war in history which happened not too long ago.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Because it was part of the biggest war in history which happened not too long ago.

That by no means is an excuse.

how come kids aren't being taught not to hop on ships and sail to places and conquer them brutally? Exactly. It's selective reminding of history. There is evidence that colonization was funded by many powerful Jewish families and yet we aren't taught how evil it was.

Wrong is wrong no matter how far it is to our time and should always reach the eyes and ears of the children.

 

[Lightbringer]

That by no means is an excuse.

how come kids aren't being taught not to hop on ships and sail to places and conquer them brutally? Exactly. It's selective reminding of history. There is evidence that colonization was funded by many powerful Jewish families and yet we aren't taught how evil it was.

Wrong is wrong no matter how far it is to our time and should always reach the eyes and ears of the children.

You're nitpicking and also it's part of U.S. history. We're normally not taught the history of other nations and their genocides in school. It's really just a matter of U.S. education being a joke compared to other modern nations.

The U.S. was involved in rescuing Jews and fighting Nazis in WWII, which again is the biggest war in history. Teaching it is part of U.S. history and also shows the U.S. in a much more heroic light as opposed to something like the Vietnam War.

 

[Yubel]

You're nitpicking and also it's part of U.S. history. We're normally not taught the history of other nations and their genocides in school. It's really just a matter of U.S. education being a joke compared to other modern nations.

The U.S. was involved in rescuing Jews and fighting Nazis in WWII, which again is the biggest war in history. Teaching it is part of U.S. history and also shows the U.S. in a much more heroic light as opposed to something like the Vietnam War.

You don't think the Holocaust the way it's taught are the result of nitpicking and lies? Holocaust only killed approximately 271.000 people, and even less Jews, this is confirmed by the red cross. Relatives of the victims just wanted to punish Germany so they invented the 6 million along with Zionist scum who used it as an excuse to occupy the Palestinian's homeland. History is written by the victors, we get taught Hitler was the worst human to ever live and all Jews were poor victims when that is far from the truth, and we're indoctrinated to never question what happened or we're called anti-semitic for just stating facts.

To find out who rules over you, simply look at who you're not allowed to criticise - Voltaire

It doesn't take much observation to find Jews in all the high positons you can think of.
They basically control the world at this point.

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

You don't think the Holocaust the way it's taught are the result of nitpicking and lies? Holocaust only killed approximately 271.000 people, and even less Jews, this is confirmed by the red cross. Relatives of the victims just wanted to punish Germany so they invented the 6 million along with Zionist scum who used it as an excuse to occupy the Palestinian's homeland. History is written by the victors, we get taught Hitler was the worst human to ever live and all Jews were poor victims when that is far from the truth, and we're indoctrinated to never question what happened or we're called anti-semitic for just stating facts.

To find out who rules over you, simply look at who you're not allowed to criticise - Voltaire

It doesn't take much observation to find Jews in all the high positons you can think of.
They basically control the world at this point.

Why are they bent on running everything though?

I've never seen a race so tribal and autonomous as the Jews.

 

[Lightbringer]

You don't think the Holocaust the way it's taught are the result of nitpicking and lies? Holocaust only killed approximately 271.000 people, and even less Jews, this is confirmed by the red cross. Relatives of the victims just wanted to punish Germany so they invented the 6 million along with Zionist scum who used it as an excuse to occupy the Palestinian's homeland. History is written by the victors, we get taught Hitler was the worst human to ever live and all Jews were poor victims when that is far from the truth, and we're indoctrinated to never question what happened or we're called anti-semitic for just stating facts.

To find out who rules over you, simply look at who you're not allowed to criticise - Voltaire

It doesn't take much observation to find Jews in all the high positons you can think of.
They basically control the world at this point.

So places like Russia, France, and Germany are also controlled by Jewish families that altered history?

I thought the U.S. was the land of opportunity and that working hard makes you successful? So are we saying now that the system is rigged for Jewish families?

The only sources I've ever seen to say that claim the number was less than 6 million were places like stormfront; so forgive me if I don't believe anti-Semitic rhetoric.

What is your fascination with the Holocaust being fake?

Almost every conversation I've had with conservatives always involves Jews this and Jews that, George Soros, Illuminati and Israel World Order. You guys are nutcases with your conspiracies, especially when you have no substantial evidence.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

There's always more to everything. But I guess I do. *shrugs*

 

[Sagebee]

So places like Russia, France, and Germany are also controlled by Jewish families that altered history?

I thought the U.S. was the land of opportunity and that working hard makes you successful? So are we saying now that the system is rigged for Jewish families?

The only sources I've ever seen to say that claim the number was less than 6 million were places like stormfront; so forgive me if I don't believe anti-Semitic rhetoric.

What is your fascination with the Holocaust being fake?

Almost every conversation I've had with conservatives always involves Jews this and Jews that, George Soros, Illuminati and Israel World Order. You guys are nutcases with your conspiracies, especially when you have no substantial evidence.

I think most people think Jewish people control many industries in most society not because they are anti sematic but they notice that to be the case and they see these same rich people doing negative things that affect world affairs and because of that Jews get a bad rap because of them. Even tho there are many rich Jewish people that use their position for good.

As for the Holocaust deniers I don't think most on this thread outright deny it its just people are getting distrustful of the information we receive from media even the ones were told in text books is the truth and find out there are fabrications in it. So based on many of the things we grow up innately trusting out the truth we grow up to distrust it that's why the whole Fake news thing is so popular for this reason.

As time passes things in the past people stop caring, even tho I've grown to have skepticism on things for those things I haven't personally researched I'm silent on it. But I think even if a person has skepticism that doesn't mean they are a bad person but I think you should respect the idea of the Holocaust.

Also I think a big reason why people are more skeptical with the Holocaust than slavery is people can go through there life not knowing if they've ever dealt with Jewish people which causes people to not sympathize on human level because all they have is an idea of Jewish people which I think it makes it easier to stereotype.

 

[Yubel]

So places like Russia, France, and Germany are also controlled by Jewish families that altered history?

I thought the U.S. was the land of opportunity and that working hard makes you successful? So are we saying now that the system is rigged for Jewish families?

The only sources I've ever seen to say that claim the number was less than 6 million were places like stormfront; so forgive me if I don't believe anti-Semitic rhetoric.

What is your fascination with the Holocaust being fake?

Almost every conversation I've had with conservatives always involves Jews this and Jews that, George Soros, Illuminati and Israel World Order. You guys are nutcases with your conspiracies, especially when you have no substantial evidence.

I trace the evidence without allowing stupid labels like anti-semitism or conspiracy theories(term invented by the CIA in the 60's to discredit people) to stop me.

Illuminati has been associated with alot of fictitious stuff. However, going from a purely historical perspective, it was an organization formed in 1776 May 1 by Adam Weishaupt, a crypto-jew who was outwardly a roman-catholic at the behest of Mayer Amschel Bauer in Germany, who changed his last name from Bauer to Rothschild, inspired by a Hexagonal sign drawn at his father's door after he passed away. That sign which would later be a symbol for the Israeli flag two centuries later.
Rot means red and schild means sign in german, the organization was to be based on the teachings of the Talmud.
You wanted evidence, there you have it, don't take my word for it and search the facts for yourself, that is if you have the balls to put down your jewish bias for a minute.

For the record, I'm not a conservative and I have never been on Stormfront.

Why are they bent on running everything though?

I've never seen a race so tribal and autonomous as the Jews.

My best guess is that it's in their nature, they have been kicked out of every country for the last thousand years because of their parasitic tendencies, being "God's Chosen People" comes with a bonus pack of inflated sense of self. Not all of them are like that however,

 

[3rd Raikage]

Holocaust only killed approximately 271.000 people, and even less Jews, this is confirmed by the red cross. Relatives of the victims just wanted to punish Germany so they invented the 6 million along with Zionist scum who used it as an excuse to occupy the Palestinian's homeland.

Why are you lying when three independent sources plus the report from the nazis themselves agree with the number 6 million?:

However, the evidence presented by Holocaust deniers does not stand up to closer scrutiny. The World Almanac volumes from 1945 to 1948 makes clear they use figures from 1938, "the last available data". The 1949 World Almanac gives the world Jewish population as 11,266,600. Moreover, it revises its estimate of the world Jewish population in 1939 upwards, to 16,643,120. Thus, according to the 1949 World Almanac the difference between the pre and post war populations is over 5.4 million. Other sources confirm similar numbers—and earlier than the 1949 World Almanac—for the Jewish population before and after the war. The 1932 American Jewish Yearbook estimate the total number of Jews in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000." These numbers are also consistent with the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Appendix III

, in 1946.

Holocaust deniers often ignore the documents produced by the Nazis themselves, who used figures of between 9 and 11 million for the Jewish population of Europe, as evidenced in the notes of the Wannsee Conference. In fact, the Nazis methodically recorded the ongoing reduction of the Jewish population, as in the Korherr Report, which gave the status of the Final Solution through December, 1942:

The total number of Jews in the world in 1937 is generally estimated at around 17 million, thereof more than 10 million in Europe... From 1937 to the beginning of 1943 the number of Jews, partially due to the excess mortality of the Jews in Central and Western Europe, partially due to the evacuations especially in the more strongly populated Eastern Territories which are here counted as off-going, should have diminished by an estimated 4 million. It must not be overlooked in this respect that of the deaths of Soviet Russian Jews in the occupied Eastern territories only a part was recorded, whereas deaths in the rest of European Russia and at the front are not included at all.... On the whole European Jewry should since 1933, i.e. in the first decade of National Socialist German power, have lost almost half of its population

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The widely cited "6 million" figure is derived from the initial 1945 Nuremberg trial estimate of 5.7 million deaths; subsequent censuses, statistical analyses, and other demographic studies of European Jewry have consistently demonstrated the essential accuracy of this first tally.26 After nearly 50 years of study, historians agree that approximately 6 million Jews perished during the course of the Nazi genocide.27

26. Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945, p. 402.
27. Peter Hayes, Associate Professor of German History at Northwestern University, states, "After years of studying this matter, I know of no authority who puts the number of Jews killed [emphasis in original] by the Nazis at less than 5.1 or more than 5.9 million men, women and children.

Also there are 300 documents worth of evidence that the holocaust did happen. Are you denying all of them?

"The German documents captured by the Allied armies at the war's end have provided an incomparable historical record, which, with regard to volume and accessibility, has been unique in the annals of scholarship.... The National Archives and the American Historical Association jointly have published 67 volumes of Guides to German Records Microfilmed at Alexandria, VA. For my work I have limited myself mainly to published German documents."24

The author then proceeds to list 303 published sources — excluding periodicals — documenting the conclusions of her research. Among these sources are the writings of recognizable Nazi policy makers such as Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hoess and Alfred Rosenberg.

Similarly, Raul Hilberg in his three-volume edition of The Destruction of the European Jews, wrote, "Between 1933 and 1945 the public offices and corporate entities of Nazi Germany generated a large volume of correspondence. Some of these documents were destroyed in Allied bombings, and many more were systematically burned in the course of retreats or in anticipation of surrender. Nevertheless, the accumulated paper work of the German bureaucracy was vast enough to survive in significant quantities, and even sensitive folders remained.25

24. Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, p. 437.
25. Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, Volume 3,
p. 1223.

Or are you just denying the word of Himmler and Hoess?`

>Eichmann, while awaiting trial in Israel in 1960, related that Heydrich had told him in August 1941 that "the Führer has ordered the physical extermination of the Jews."10 Rudolf Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz, wrote in 1946 that "In the summer of 1941... Himmler said to me, 'The Führer has ordered the Final Solution to the Jewish Question... I have chosen the Auschwitz camp for this purpose.' "11

10. Ronnie Duggar, The Texas Observer, Austin, 1992, D. 48.
11. Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Volume 2, pp. 641-642.


And here is the main point:

The main point is that not one of these supposed torture victims -- in fifty years, not one -- has come forth to support the claim that testimony was coerced.

On the contrary, confirmation and reconfirmation of their testimony has continued across the years. What coercion could have convinced Judge Konrad Morgen to testify to the crimes he witnessed at the International Nuremberg Trial in 1946, where he was not accused of any crime? And to later testify at the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt, Germany, in 1963-65? What coercion was applied to SS Doctor Johann Kremer to make him testify in his own defense in 1947, and then, after having been convicted in both Poland and Germany, emerge after his release to testify again as a witness at the Frankfurt trial? What coercion was applied to Böck, Gerhard Hess, Hölblinger, Storch, and Wiebeck, all former SS men, all witnesses at Frankfurt, none accused of any crime there?

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History is written by the victors
.

So going by your logic Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened? The Winter War never happened?

 

[Yubel]

Why are you lying when three independent sources plus the report from the nazis themselves agree with the number 6 million?:

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26. Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945, p. 402.
27. Peter Hayes, Associate Professor of German History at Northwestern University, states, "After years of studying this matter, I know of no authority who puts the number of Jews killed [emphasis in original] by the Nazis at less than 5.1 or more than 5.9 million men, women and children.

Also there are 300 documents worth of evidence that the holocaust did happen. Are you denying all of them?


24. Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, p. 437.
25. Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, Volume 3,
p. 1223.

Or are you just denying the word of Himmler and Hoess?`


10. Ronnie Duggar, The Texas Observer, Austin, 1992, D. 48.
11. Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Volume 2, pp. 641-642.


And here is the main point:

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So going by your logic Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened? The Winter War never happened?

"Going by your logic" -That's not my logic, faiied strawman right there.

I have read your post and I need to look into it more before giving a real answer, in the mean time. Why don't you tell me what these so-called independent sources are?

Also for future reference, don't use Wikipedia to make an argument, it's a good place to get up to speed on information you're looking for but it's usually not very accurate and anybody can write whatever they want there.